Newer ODD drives have trouble playing Audio CD tracks.

So I recommend an older IDE drive that has a headphone port at the front. They seem to be most compatible.

I have newer IDE drives with firmware that doesn't support Audio CD tracks anymore. Same goes for SATA drives.

I like the AWE64 a lot. More compact compared to the 32. But get whatever is available. The AWE64 Gold doesn't sell for cheap anymore these days.

With the GPUs, many are rocking a hybrid setup, with an AGP Geforce for DX games and a Voodoo 2 SLI setup for Glide. A Voodoo 3 can also work. But I haven't got much experience with these solutions.

A Voodoo 3 or Voodoo 2 SLI would be a solid match, but so would be a Geforce 3.

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Newer ODD drives have trouble playing Audio CD tracks.

So I recommend an older IDE drive that has a headphone port at the front. They seem to be most compatible.

I have newer IDE drives with firmware that doesn't support Audio CD tracks anymore. Same goes for SATA drives.

I like the AWE64 a lot. More compact compared to the 32. But get whatever is available. The AWE64 Gold doesn't sell for cheap anymore these days.

With the GPUs, many are rocking a hybrid setup, with an AGP Geforce for DX games and a Voodoo 2 SLI setup for Glide. A Voodoo 3 can also work. But I haven't got much experience with these solutions.

A Voodoo 3 or Voodoo 2 SLI would be a solid match, but so would be a Geforce 3.

Wow, I am surpised that new ODD has a imcompatible problem for old system 😲 . How should I type on Ebay to purchase and find appropriate Western Digital IDE 120GB HDD and ODD? There are links for selling AWE 64 and IBM 3.5 FDD(http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-64F0162-1-4 ... 461af4c77d, http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=We ... 4&_sacat=0)

Do you know the best Voodoo 3 and 5 and P3-S Tualatin 1.4GHz mainboard (between ASUS and GIGABYTE)? I want to know pros&cons for Voodoo&Geforce GPU as well.

Notes: I also install DOS 7.1 on that machine so it allows FAT 32 to do partition for large HDD.

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Thus, the Pentium 3-S Tualatin 1.4 GHz and board that supports it are the best result for play dos, direct-x, glide gameing. Can you give a board model name from ASUS, GIGABYTE for P3 -S tualatin?

P.S. What is a good soundcard for me among (Gravis Ultrasound, Roland MT-32, Sound Blaster, AWE) to play dos, direct-x and glide games?

Theres basically 3 options for you (there are more, but for simplicities sake I'll just give you 2 of the more easy ones).
Either you go Tualatin and get a Tualatin board (the Tualatin boards are harder to find though, but a Tualatin Pentium 3 that's not a 1.4GHz one (a slightly slower one) is probably gonna be a lot more inexpensive). In addition, Tualatins are taller due to the heatspreader so mounting a HSF will be more of a problem.

Or you get one of the pin modded chips from ebay and get yourself any Coppermine board that's on the list on the ebay page I just gave you the link to (but you'll still need to find a HSF for it though)

Or you take the cheapest and easiest route and go with a Coppermine (like a Coppermine 1000) and get a s370 Coppermine board.

Since you're inexperienced, my suggestion would be to go with Coppermine. Most Coppermine boards have a universal AGP slot so basically any AGP graphics card will work. Virtually all HSF's will work with Coppermine (just get any cheap Socket A HSF and be done with it) and on top of that, parts for a Coppermine rig are more plentiful and cheaper 😀

I see. There is a motherboard that supports Tualatin. One of them are Asus TUSL2-C. I don't mind whether they are new or used condtiton. The thing is that must be functional and clean. The Tualatin that you mentioned has adapter for Coopermine board which I saw a week ago.

Link: Asus TUSL2-C: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUSTeK-COMPUTER-TUSL … =item27d79dbf57 ( This board is too expensive o

What about ODD and HDD (HDD is Western Digital's with support CD, DVD, RW and ODD is IBM's)?
Is any site sells IBM Thinkvision, Thinkcentre? They are harder than searching P3 boards.
Can you give a flagship model from Voodoo and Geforce GPU?
How should I install Win 98 SE and DOS 7.1?

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I see. There is a motherboard that supports Tualatin. One of them are Asus TUSL2-C. I don't mind whether they are new or used condtiton. The thing is that must be functional and clean. The Tualatin that you mentioned has adapter for Coopermine board which I saw a week ago.

Link: Asus TUSL2-C: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUSTeK-COMPUTER-TUSL … =item27d79dbf57 ( This board is too expensive for used and sold in Pounds. I need your help to find it in other sites or using coopermine boards with an adapter as you say.)

What about ODD and HDD (HDD is Western Digital's with support CD, DVD, RW and ODD is IBM's)?
Is any site sells IBM Thinkvision, Thinkcentre? They are harder than searching P3 boards.
Can you give a flagship model from Voodoo and Geforce GPU?

First things first, where are you located?
I presume in North Amerika?

It's not the board that has the adapter, the adapter is mounted on the CPU I gave you the link to (the one on ebay). With this modded CPU you'll only need a s370 board that supports Coppermines.

There are so many different s370 boards made, it would be one hell of a job finding the best deal for you, especially if we don't know in which country you live.

The flagship for 3DFX (Voodoo) would be the Voodoo 5 6000, but good luck finding one 😜
The next best thing would be a Voodoo 5 5500.
For Geforce, I'd just take one of the top models or perhaps even a later mid-range card.
I'll give you a brief list of what's available (if you need more details then I'd suggest reading the wikipedia page on nvidia's Geforce line).
The cards you might find interesting are:
Any Geforce 3
Any Geforce 4 (not the MX version, these are a lot slower)
Cards like for instance FX5700 and FX5900
Cards like for instance 6600 and 6800

Above cards are merely examples, theres a lot to choose from.

Actually, I live in Korea and stay in Malaysia for studying. The building process might be proceeded when I am going back to my country. Thanks for giving info about GPUs. However, finding case (IBM Thinkpad, Thinkcentre) and ODD (model that supports CD, DVD, RW) are the hardest tasks that I cannot search them. Do you have any idea for them include HDD (IDE Western Digital 120GB that fits for WIn 98 SE).

I suppose your intend is to really get a Tualatin I guess.
Well, I did a 3 minute search on ebay and found this one.
$25 buy it now. It has the Intel chipset, AGP and comes with extra memory and a Coppermine CPU already installed which is not bad start at all.

You'd still need a modded Tualatin chip though and a HSF that will work with these tall chips.

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Actually, I live in Korea and stay in Malaysia for studying. The building process might be proceeded when I am going back to my country. Thanks for giving info about GPUs. However, finding case (IBM Thinkpad, Thinkcentre) and ODD (model that supports CD, DVD, RW) are the hardest tasks that I cannot search them. Do you have any idea for them include HDD (IDE Western Digital 120GB that fits for WIn 98 SE).

I buy my optical drives in second hand shops. They usually have stacks of them available and I can even pick the most useful ones. Here in second hand shops optical DVD drives go for like €2,50 each, so I just buy a couple and hope not all of them are broken 🤣. I don't bother with DVD burners second hand, I never write optical disks on any of my retrorigs anyway, they only need to be able to read.

About a harddrive. I find them usually expensive. I haven't got a clue as to what's available in Malaysia.
I'd say just get a cheap harddrive locally (20 gig harddrives work fine for me btw), you can always swap to a larger harddrive later.
Perhaps someone else here has a good idea for a harddrive though.

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Actually, I live in Korea and stay in Malaysia for studying. The building process might be proceeded when I am going back to my country. Thanks for giving info about GPUs. However, finding case (IBM Thinkpad, Thinkcentre) and ODD (model that supports CD, DVD, RW) are the hardest tasks that I cannot search them. Do you have any idea for them include HDD (IDE Western Digital 120GB that fits for WIn 98 SE).

I buy my optical drives in second hand shops. They usually have stacks of them available and I can even pick the most useful ones. Here in second hand shops optical DVD drives go for like €2,50 each, so I just buy a couple and hope not all of them are broken 🤣. I don't bother with DVD burners second hand, I never write optical disks on any of my retrorigs anyway, they only need to be able to read.

About a harddrive. I find them usually expensive. I haven't got a clue as to what's available in Malaysia.
I'd say just get a cheap harddrive locally (20 gig harddrives work fine for me btw), you can always swap to a larger harddrive later.
Perhaps someone else here has a good idea for a harddrive though.

In fact, I will not buy the legacy components in Malaysia before return to Korea. You mean that it's okay to use a second hand ODD with support CD, DVD, RW format. RIght?

Since HDD and ODD are solved, what about case and monitor (IBM Thinkcentre and Thinkvision C220P CRT)? Wherever I searched on the web include Amazon and Ebay, I am still cannot find them at all. There is a link for FDD at http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p20476 … cat=0&_from=R40. Is Geforce 6800 Ultra Extreme good for glide games like Diablo?

The Final Plan

CPU: Pentium 3-STualatin 1.4GHz pin mod
Motherboard: ASUSTeK CUSL2 Motherboard w/PIII 850 MHz & 512MB RAM
GPU: GeForce 6800 Ultra Extreme, 3dfx Voodoo 5500
HDD: Western Digital HDD IDE 120GB
FDD: IBM 93F2361 INTERNAL DESKTOP COMPUTER FLOPPY DISK DRIVE 1.44 3.5 3.5
ODD: Please recommend to choose with a model that supports CD, DVD, RW
Soundcard: AWE 64 Gold with MT-32 Roland
Case: IBM Thinkcentre
RAM: Kingstone 512 MB
Speakers: Cambridge Soundworks SBS52 or others
Monitor: IBM Thinkvision C220P CRT monitor
PSU: Aerocool Strike-X 500Watt PSU
Mouse: Your recommended model in IBM
Keyboard: Your recommended model in IBM
IC Card: Intel Pro-100 PCI , gig-E NIC
Fan: Coolermaster CPU Cooler with copper heatsink and Noctua NF-R8 Case fan
OS: Windows 98 SE with DOS 7.1

Can you give links for all stuffs on this plan to me that I can purchsase them wisely without too much of wasting money such as shipping free to Korea,etc (Ebay and Amazon)? You can replace or add on it with others. I want to order these products as the quickest service so I don't need to worry about missing or delaying of delivery.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261389315934 - Gigabyte GA-6VX7-4X Socket 370 Motherboard, comes with a P3-600 even to get you started for $29.99 with free shipping, and it supports a P3-Tualatin 1400 S -NATIVELY-, without pin mods, according to gigabyte support pages. It might need a bios update to get there though, but this would probably be the best option. It even has a "universal" type AGP slot, so you could install 8x AGP cards if you wanted (even though they'll only actually run at 2X or 4X).

EDIT: The only problem being this board doesn't have an ISA slot. There's little solder points where one could of been added but it's not there on this version, sadly.

EDIT 2: The seller does ship to Korea, I see it in his listing. Maybe this is something you could look in to.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/261389315934 - Gigabyte GA-6VX7-4X Socket 370 Motherboard, comes with a P3-600 even to get you started for $29.99 with free shipping, and it supports a P3-Tualatin 1400 S -NATIVELY-, without pin mods, according to gigabyte support pages. It might need a bios update to get there though, but this would probably be the best option. It even has a "universal" type AGP slot, so you could install 8x AGP cards if you wanted (even though they'll only actually run at 2X or 4X).

EDIT: The only problem being this board doesn't have an ISA slot. There's little solder points where one could of been added but it's not there on this version, sadly.

Hmm... are there other boards that have ACP, ISA PCI slots with P3-Tualatin 1400 S on Ebay? What about ODD and Aerocool Strike-X 500Watt PSU ? I just want to check more stuffs on Ebay.

P.S. This board has 1 ISA port. WIll the AWE 64 fit on it?
Is Kenwood ODD suitable for my rig?

if I remember right, the kenwood ODD's are those 72x multi-beam things? Those really aren't necessary, they get really hot, and they're unstable and don't read a lot of discs, so I've read. And besides all that, any generic DVD-ROM drive reads CD's faster anyway, and would be a lot cheaper, you can probably find a 16x DVD-ROM drive for less than $10 if you look.

I had a 58x CD-ROM in my 486 at one point, and it was reading about 1200 - 1300 KB/sec in benchmarks, but then I swapped it for a 24x DVD-ROM and now it reads CD's @ 3800 - 4000 KB/sec on the same DISC and controller, but is -much- quieter.

How about the IBM Think products (Not Lenovo's), Aerocool Strike-X 500Watt PSU, Coolermaster CPU Cooler with copper heatsink and Noctua NF-R8 Case fan?
Can you look for them as well? Which is better (Geforce 6800 Ultra Extreme and 3dfx Voodoo 5500)?

Note: Is good choice to buy this ODD? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-CRX330E-DS-48x-C … =item2336896639) If not, I will choose diffenet products.

It doesn't really matter on the optical drive. All IDE DVD-ROM or DVD-RW are all the same, just pick one that's cheap. IDE ODD's use a universal ATAPI standard, they all work. (Except the kenwood 72x drives, I think they require special software some how)

As to video card.. it's really up to you I think. The 6800 ultra would be faster than the voodoo5, a little cheaper, and you can get drivers right off nvidia's website for it, for win98se, still today. See here: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/11/en-us

Also supported are the geforce 4 TI series, which should be good enough and may be cheaper than the 6800 ultra, look around a bit.

And the Geforce FX 5000 series are supported too, but I wouldn't bother with any of the slower versions of the FX 5000 series, they were kind of a crappy point in nvidia's history. From the FX-5900 ultra and up are pretty decent.

I'd suggest starting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nv … GeForce4_Series and look at the performance figures for the 4000 series, 5000 series and 6000 series, and search for different model #'s, and compare prices and performance, the nvidia driver covers all 3 families.

EDIT: Another good site is here: http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=11&card2=179 Just pick different cards in the drop-down combo-boxes and select em on either side, it has the voodoo 3, 4, 5, ATI older AGP cards, and the nvidia Geforce 2, 3, 4000, FX 5000, and 6000 series too.

ODD and GPU are solved now. What about IBM Think produtcts (Thinkcentre, Thinkvision CRT C220P are very difficult to find), Aerocool Strike-X 500Watt PSU (Price problem), Coolermaster CPU Cooler with copper heatsink and Noctua NF-R8 Case fan, AWE64 Gold (small ISA slot?) on Gigabyte GA-6VX7-4X Socket 370 Motherboard + P3 CPU?

Note 2: When I buy Gigabyte GA-6VX7-4X Socket 370 Motherboard, P3 CPU, purchasing P-3 S Tualatin is only the task that I have to do?

I don't know on the heatink, you really don't need to go anything insane on that, I don't think these 1400S chips get really that hot.

Something like this would be ideal: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221374567503 Cheap and rated up to a 1800 mhz AMD chip, so should have no issues with a 1.4 P3 chip, even up to 1600 mhz if you wanted to overclock it some.

As to the power supply, in general "Aerocool" is a generic / off-brand PSU company. Try and stick to something more name-brand if you can, I would at least. Thermaltake, corsair, antec, seasonic, FSP Group, Cougar, PC Power & Cooling, ETC are some major brands, most of them have 400 watt and 500 watt units.

My AthlonXP computer @ 1952 Mhz is powered by a 430 watt Thermaltake TR2 power supply, and it's even overclocked +350 Mhz and has 2 hard drives and does just fine with this, it only actually pulls about 150 watts @ outlet on USA-120v-AC too. You don't really need anything exotic for a P3 build, I think back during that era most people used 250-watt ATX power supplies even.

I see. I will look through these brands that you mentioned. How about some high-end PSU brands like Delta, Enermax? Can you find the best cases, crt monitors, speakers, keyboard and mouse for me (I tried to search IBM's Think series but it's really pain in my ass. They are too rare to find on every websites)?

Note 3: That CPU cooler doesn't ship to my country 😵. Can you find same thing?

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I see. I will look through these brands that you mentioned. How about some high-end PSU brands like Delta, Enermax? Can you find the best cases, crt monitors, speakers, keyboard and mouse for me (I tried to search IBM's Think series but it's really pain in my ass. They are too rare to find on every websites)?

Note 3: That CPU cooler doesn't ship to my country 😵. Can you find same thing?

There is this thing about building (retro)computers. One of the things I love about them is that I like to figure out stuff for myself, reading about it, learning about it, researching it and then finally, by just getting the parts and then just building it 😁

Here you go, this one will ship to your country. It also has a triple mounting latch so the chances are slimmer the force applied to your modded Tualatin will break off the socket tabs. It's also cheap and good enough for any Pentium 3.
Might as well buy a couple of em if you intend to build more rigs 😜
And my god, the search in ebay is truly terrible, just terrible 😵

Just 1 question for you Serpant Rider: You vaguely mention you have a couple (older) rigs? How many computers have you so far build yourself? Just a question out of curiosity 😁 And do you plan to build any other rigs?

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The Final Plan

CPU: Pentium 3-STualatin 1.4GHz pin mod
Motherboard: ASUSTeK CUSL2 Motherboard w/PIII 850 MHz & 512MB RAM
GPU: GeForce 6800 Ultra Extreme, 3dfx Voodoo 5500
HDD: Western Digital HDD IDE 120GB
FDD: IBM 93F2361 INTERNAL DESKTOP COMPUTER FLOPPY DISK DRIVE 1.44 3.5 3.5
ODD: Please recommend to choose with a model that supports CD, DVD, RW
Soundcard: AWE 64 Gold with MT-32 Roland
Case: IBM Thinkcentre
RAM: Kingstone 512 MB
Speakers: Cambridge Soundworks SBS52 or others
Monitor: IBM Thinkvision C220P CRT monitor
PSU: Aerocool Strike-X 500Watt PSU
Mouse: Your recommended model in IBM
Keyboard: Your recommended model in IBM
IC Card: Intel Pro-100 PCI , gig-E NIC
Fan: Coolermaster CPU Cooler with copper heatsink and Noctua NF-R8 Case fan
OS: Windows 98 SE with DOS 7.1

Hm, if I'm not wrong:

1) CUSL means you need pin-modded Tualatin - go for the TUSL2-C if you can
2) no ISA slot, so how would you put that AWE 64?
3) that videocard is an overkill .... why? Go for Radeon 8500 or 9700 (9500). I love the GF3 - my favorite videocard ever, but all the GF3's and GF4's I have had in my hands, had somewhat worse image quality (especially 2D). The radeons are more .... crispy? 😀

I was "in you shoes" half and year ago, so If I was to start now, I would go for the Abit KT7-A RAID with the fastest CPU you can find cheap. The VIA chipset sux, but you can patch the PCI latency issues (and you aim for AWE 64, which is ISA)

Cause you see - I started with the idea for a socket 7 build, and I ended with a lot of junk. Now I have complete platforms from 486, Pentium MMX, Super Socket 7, Slot 1, Socket A and Socket 478 era. All in carton boxes 😀 (except for the socket A)

So ... I'll probably end up using the Socket A build (NForce2) - not only for nostalgic reasons - I would gladly go for the Slot 1, but I want to have smooth experience with Age of Empires 2, and I think that even if I put a Tualatin, it still won't be enough.

What I mean is - it really depends on the games you want to play.

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The Final Plan

CPU: Pentium 3-STualatin 1.4GHz pin mod
Motherboard: ASUSTeK CUSL2 Motherboard w/PIII 850 MHz & 512MB RAM
GPU: GeForce 6800 Ultra Extreme, 3dfx Voodoo 5500
HDD: Western Digital HDD IDE 120GB
FDD: IBM 93F2361 INTERNAL DESKTOP COMPUTER FLOPPY DISK DRIVE 1.44 3.5 3.5
ODD: Please recommend to choose with a model that supports CD, DVD, RW
Soundcard: AWE 64 Gold with MT-32 Roland
Case: IBM Thinkcentre
RAM: Kingstone 512 MB
Speakers: Cambridge Soundworks SBS52 or others
Monitor: IBM Thinkvision C220P CRT monitor
PSU: Aerocool Strike-X 500Watt PSU
Mouse: Your recommended model in IBM
Keyboard: Your recommended model in IBM
IC Card: Intel Pro-100 PCI , gig-E NIC
Fan: Coolermaster CPU Cooler with copper heatsink and Noctua NF-R8 Case fan
OS: Windows 98 SE with DOS 7.1

Hn, if I'm not wrong:

1) CUSL means you need pin-modded Tualatin - go for the TUSL2-C if you can
2) no ISA slot, so how would you put that AWE 64?
3) that videocard is an overkill .... why? Go for Radeon 8500 or 9700 (9500). I love the GF3 - my favourite videocard ever, but all the GF3's and GF4's I have had in my hands, had somewhat worse image quality (especially 2D). The radeons are more .... crispy? 😀

He already stated he's getting one of the pin modded chips.
But good point on the absence of an ISA slot though, that must've slipped my mind.
In this case his only other option would be to go VIA. Those s370 boards do often have ISA, but they have their own problems and seeing his inexperiencedness I'm not soo sure if going VIA would be the right choice for him now...but that is up to him of course.