robertmo3 wrote on 2024-06-19, 18:42:

it affects performance/price ratio
someone can comment whether it is good or not now i guess

All of those examples have "Availability: Not Available. Check Counterpart Models. Thank you" mentioned at the moment I am writing this.

A price point at a retailer for something that you can't actually buy from that retailer isn't all that relevant, IMHO .

Not too sure if there is anything worth adding to this thread, in view of recent events, other than expressing some hope that Intel does better in the future.

I am not a fan of their current product lineup, for the most part, but I do not want to see them fail. We need the competition.

Then again, it could be argued that the competition is going to be coming from outside the x86-64 world more and more, as time moves forward. Newer players in the x86-64 marketplace, like Zhaoxin should not be discounted either.

We live in interesting times.

I'd love to get my hands on a chinese cpu sometime.

They seem to be artificially excluded from the local market. I just want to know more than 'they (nebulously) exist'.

Questions about how they operate, what chipsets they do best with, strengths and weaknesses, et al? No clue. Never even seen one in the wild.

robertmo3 wrote on 2024-06-06, 06:30:

Arrow Lake TSMC N3B (Desktop) Lunar Lake TSMC N3B (Mobile) […]
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Arrow Lake TSMC N3B (Desktop)
Lunar Lake TSMC N3B (Mobile)

Apple - just great os again.
AMD - the end is near
Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite - too late

waiting for new intel gpu 😀

This aged well 🤣

wierd_w wrote on 2024-08-06, 03:11:

I'd love to get my hands on a chinese cpu sometime.

They seem to be artificially excluded from the local market. I just want to know more than 'they (nebulously) exist'.

Questions about how they operate, what chipsets they do best with, strengths and weaknesses, et al? No clue. Never even seen one in the wild.

Which ones?

myne wrote on 2024-08-06, 04:46:

robertmo3 wrote on 2024-06-06, 06:30:

Arrow Lake TSMC N3B (Desktop) Lunar Lake TSMC N3B (Mobile) […]
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Arrow Lake TSMC N3B (Desktop)
Lunar Lake TSMC N3B (Mobile)

Apple - just great os again.
AMD - the end is near
Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite - too late

waiting for new intel gpu 😀

This aged well 🤣

Funny how intel (share price) really did make a comeback after this post.. Like, it has come back down 40%. That is a spectacular comeback. I can only hope it continues indefinitely.

Comeback to the 90s?

myne wrote on 2024-08-06, 04:47:

wierd_w wrote on 2024-08-06, 03:11:

I'd love to get my hands on a chinese cpu sometime.

They seem to be artificially excluded from the local market. I just want to know more than 'they (nebulously) exist'.

Questions about how they operate, what chipsets they do best with, strengths and weaknesses, et al? No clue. Never even seen one in the wild.

Which ones?

This is kinda "Exactly the point".

I know that several iterations of Chinese x86 silicon "Exist", and run the gamut of usefulness/compatibility with their Intel/AMD counterparts, in terms of feature completeness, but as to the specifics?
CANNOT ANSWER, NEVER ENCOUNTERED.

I'd ideally like to have access to *ALL* of the Chinese silicon, so that I could be knowledgeable first hand of these details, but sadly, appear to be artificially restricted from obtaining it.

https://youtu.be/RIgBsz1MduI?si=UQrloVNN4wz3GVa0

Edit by Dominus: removed sinophobia

My point, is that I am unable to meaningfully attest to such a statement, without actually hands-on experience with the product.

Parroting "Oh, its from China, so it must be bad!" is not the path to knowledge nor competence. "Its bad, I've personally tested it, and it acts these ways" *IS*.

I cannot get to the latter, because of what is essentially market collusion from the Federal government to prevent the product from getting here.

If the complaint is "It acts like an old, (VERY OLD), extra weak processor", I will remind that we (as nerds in general), have committed to the creation of utilities explicitly devoted to KNEECAPPING modern processors, so that our favorite old software can run appropriately.

A weaksauce x86 cpu *HAS* applicable use in our community, and might actually be a very desirable commodity, if used properly. Is it *actually* useful to us? We dont know, and cant properly know; We cant really get ahold of the stuff to know for sure.

That's kinda the point here.

wierd_w wrote on 2024-08-06, 07:45:

My point, is that I am unable to meaningfully attest to such a statement, without actually hands-on experience with the product. […]
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My point, is that I am unable to meaningfully attest to such a statement, without actually hands-on experience with the product.

Parroting "Oh, its from China, so it must be bad!" is not the path to knowledge nor competence. "Its bad, I've personally tested it, and it acts these ways" *IS*.

I cannot get to the latter, because of what is essentially market collusion from the Federal government to prevent the product from getting here.

If the complaint is "It acts like an old, (VERY OLD), extra weak processor", I will remind that we (as nerds in general), have committed to the creation of utilities explicitly devoted to KNEECAPPING modern processors, so that our favorite old software can run appropriately.

A weaksauce x86 cpu *HAS* applicable use in our community, and might actually be a very desirable commodity, if used properly. Is it *actually* useful to us? We dont know, and cant properly know; We cant really get ahold of the stuff to know for sure.

That's kinda the point here.

Well then let me add that the less I can directly profit the CCP the better, which adds toy disinterest, since gamernexus is a really trustful source I'm okay with just his tests.
That's me though and those are my reasons.

wierd_w wrote on 2024-08-06, 07:45:

If the complaint is "It acts like an old, (VERY OLD), extra weak processor", I will remind that we (as nerds in general), have committed to the creation of utilities explicitly devoted to KNEECAPPING modern processors, so that our favorite old software can run appropriately.

The real question is: how far can it be throttled? No application needs precisely a third of the single-threaded performance of a Core i5-2500K.

GemCookie wrote on 2024-08-08, 07:31:

wierd_w wrote on 2024-08-06, 07:45:

If the complaint is "It acts like an old, (VERY OLD), extra weak processor", I will remind that we (as nerds in general), have committed to the creation of utilities explicitly devoted to KNEECAPPING modern processors, so that our favorite old software can run appropriately.

The real question is: how far can it be throttled? No application needs precisely a third of the single-threaded performance of a Core i5-2500K.

without access to one, I will never know.

wierd_w wrote on 2024-08-06, 07:45:

My point, is that I am unable to meaningfully attest to such a statement, without actually hands-on experience with the product. […]
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My point, is that I am unable to meaningfully attest to such a statement, without actually hands-on experience with the product.

Parroting "Oh, its from China, so it must be bad!" is not the path to knowledge nor competence. "Its bad, I've personally tested it, and it acts these ways" *IS*.

I cannot get to the latter, because of what is essentially market collusion from the Federal government to prevent the product from getting here.

If the complaint is "It acts like an old, (VERY OLD), extra weak processor", I will remind that we (as nerds in general), have committed to the creation of utilities explicitly devoted to KNEECAPPING modern processors, so that our favorite old software can run appropriately.

A weaksauce x86 cpu *HAS* applicable use in our community, and might actually be a very desirable commodity, if used properly. Is it *actually* useful to us? We dont know, and cant properly know; We cant really get ahold of the stuff to know for sure.

That's kinda the point here.

From my understanding, there are formerly legit x86s from partnership with VIA and I seem to recall maybe an AMD partnership.

Then there are rebranded chips that are just 2nd hand Intel/amd with the label scratched off.

And now the 32bit ISA is off patent, possibly some of those.

The last one, in the hands of China, could net a LOT of "specialty" 32bit x86 cores out there, but in the states, we'll never get them.

Good luck getting drivers for them

Why would you use a specialty chip, for general purpose?

In this case, I am meaning more like "It's a 486 SoC, with integrated disk controller, VGA, and RAM, on a breakout board"

Similar to the core found in the pocket386

Sure, and what os' does it support?

That would be the "Specialty" for the "Specialty chip"

In practice, this does NOT stop hobbyists, who will CREATE the needed FOO for BAR application they want to use it for.

What DOES stop the hobbyist, is simply NOT HAVING IT TO WORK WITH.
Which is where we are now.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html