That style eMachine case, I've seen K8M800 boards in, and only see those and SiS boards listed on retroweb, so dunno what board was with the ATI Xpress chipset...

Anyway, should fit most other mATX boards, mine is a sleeper with a Phenom II crammed in.

BitWrangler wrote on 2024-09-06, 02:58:

That style eMachine case, I've seen K8M800 boards in, and only see those and SiS boards listed on retroweb, so dunno what board was with the ATI Xpress chipset...

With fine prints under "Video" saying "ATI RADEON XPRESS 200", I'd say the MB is most likely either MSI RS480M (Socket 754) or RS480M2 (Socket 939).

I'd bet on RS480; RS480M2 would allow much higher end of CPU like Athlon 64 X2, FX, or Opteron -- not very fitting to eMachines' company image. 😉

teiresias wrote on 2024-09-06, 01:52:

I have no idea how upgradable the thing is RAM-wise though.

RS480M: up to 2 x 1GB DDR400
RS480M2: up to 4 x 1GB DDR400

This build would be an okay WinXP build but also capable of being an overpowered Win98SE killer build. 😉

luckybob wrote on 2024-09-06, 01:18:

I didnt order a pizza.... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404433511844413440/1281420832857522186/20240905_143034.jpg?ex=6 […]
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I didnt order a pizza....

Inside was this big beautiful bastard of a motherboard. Intel SDS2 - Dual socket 370 Tualatin

ALSO. Just because you use a CR2032 to replace a battery, it is NEVER 100% safe to leave them in long term storage. They can still leak, and do damage like the Varta bombs. This is a relatively new battery too.

I'm liking the camera in my phone. it makes big pictures.

Thats a lovely board, even if the Intel boards dont have all the bells and whistles in the BIOS they are rock solid boards, should make for a lovely build with a nice PCI-X GPU like a Matrox Parhelia ! with a nice Intel Pro dual gigabit PCI-X network card for some high speed networking.

dormcat wrote on 2024-09-06, 08:33:

I'd bet on RS480; RS480M2 would allow much higher end of CPU like Athlon 64 X2, FX, or Opteron -- not very fitting to eMachines' company image. 😉

The box says 512MB DDR Dual channel, which excludes s.754, which is a single channel.

Ydee wrote on 2024-09-06, 08:55:

dormcat wrote on 2024-09-06, 08:33:

I'd bet on RS480; RS480M2 would allow much higher end of CPU like Athlon 64 X2, FX, or Opteron -- not very fitting to eMachines' company image. 😉

The box says 512MB DDR Dual channel, which excludes s.754, which is a single channel.

Missed that part. 😅 It's not common to see an eMachines capable of 4GB DDR and high-end FX or Opteron CPU.

Brawndo wrote on 2024-09-06, 02:46:

I had a Volcano cooler on my 1.2 GHz Tbird back in the day, not the ones you have, it was probably the Volcano II. Let me tell you, it was LOUD! Had a 25mm thick fan on top and spins at like 4500 RPM. I ended up connecting it to a fan controller so I could turn it down. Hopefully yours really are "smart and silent."

Haha thank you for the warning! These ones have all sorts of connectors, jumpers, and little variable resistors for controlling fan speed or connecting to a fan controller so hopefully I'll find a good balance.
Luckily I'm mostly more interested in finding strange aesthetics than silent operation.

Cyfrifiadur wrote on 2024-09-06, 11:34:

Brawndo wrote on 2024-09-06, 02:46:

I had a Volcano cooler on my 1.2 GHz Tbird back in the day, not the ones you have, it was probably the Volcano II. Let me tell you, it was LOUD! Had a 25mm thick fan on top and spins at like 4500 RPM. I ended up connecting it to a fan controller so I could turn it down. Hopefully yours really are "smart and silent."

Haha thank you for the warning! These ones have all sorts of connectors, jumpers, and little variable resistors for controlling fan speed or connecting to a fan controller so hopefully I'll find a good balance.
Luckily I'm mostly more interested in finding strange aesthetics than silent operation.

There is normally a potentiometer and maybe an optional thermal-based regulation probe included. At least i think i had these with mine (got some new old stock ones some time ago)

AGP redemption! Presenting the R200 Fam. Big brother Radeon 8500 128MB enters the room. 😁

Same chipset two very different 3Dmark01 scores.

R200 PCI 64MB, 6,555 Score
R200 AGP 128MB, 11,823 Score

Almost Double for the AGP version, I know they aren't exactly the same, RAM size and 25mhz spread.. but still pretty shocking results!

dormcat wrote on 2024-09-06, 08:33:

This build would be an okay WinXP build but also capable of being an overpowered Win98SE killer build. 😉

True, but my current DOS/Win98 build is a sentimental box using a motherboard from the first PC I ever built (an Abit BH6), so I'll probably stick to that for the most part. I'll very likely just goodwill the monitor though, I still use my 21" Sony Trinitron CRT monitor from college so no need for that old LCD monitor. I'll have some time this weekend to open it up and see what's actually in it and report back for posterity.

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-09-06, 14:42:

AGP redemption! Presenting the R200 Fam. Big brother Radeon 8500 128MB enters the room. :D […]
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AGP redemption! Presenting the R200 Fam. Big brother Radeon 8500 128MB enters the room. 😁

Same chipset two very different 3Dmark01 scores.

R200 PCI 64MB, 6,555 Score
R200 AGP 128MB, 11,823 Score

Almost Double for the AGP version, I know they aren't exactly the same, RAM size and 25mhz spread.. but still pretty shocking results!

Lack of AGP really cripples performance for some applications. I recall Half-Life 2 not seeing much impact while Call of Duty went from decent to unplayable when comparing PCI and AGP versions of Geforce2 mx400

Munx wrote on 2024-09-06, 16:03:

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-09-06, 14:42:

AGP redemption! Presenting the R200 Fam. Big brother Radeon 8500 128MB enters the room. :D […]
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AGP redemption! Presenting the R200 Fam. Big brother Radeon 8500 128MB enters the room. 😁

Same chipset two very different 3Dmark01 scores.

R200 PCI 64MB, 6,555 Score
R200 AGP 128MB, 11,823 Score

Almost Double for the AGP version, I know they aren't exactly the same, RAM size and 25mhz spread.. but still pretty shocking results!

Lack of AGP really cripples performance for some applications. I recall Half-Life 2 not seeing much impact while Call of Duty went from decent to unplayable when comparing PCI and AGP versions of Geforce2 mx400

The 8500/9100 also had a lot of driver issues and was really hamstrung performance wise because of them, its possible the driver issues are even worse for the PCI version. I would be trying a few different driver versions before making any conclusions here, the difference shouldn't be that huge. Early AGP cards didn't exactly make good use of the extra features AGP had and most were just using the AGP slot as a 66Mhz PCI slot. (Yes im looking at you 3DFX)

That said the 8500 here is a full fat one and not the cut down 8500 LE the 9100 is based on so that too will be altering the results a bit.

dormcat wrote on 2024-09-06, 08:33:

With fine prints under "Video" saying "ATI RADEON XPRESS 200", I'd say the MB is most likely either MSI RS480M (Socket 754) or R […]
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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-09-06, 02:58:

That style eMachine case, I've seen K8M800 boards in, and only see those and SiS boards listed on retroweb, so dunno what board was with the ATI Xpress chipset...

With fine prints under "Video" saying "ATI RADEON XPRESS 200", I'd say the MB is most likely either MSI RS480M (Socket 754) or RS480M2 (Socket 939).

I'd bet on RS480; RS480M2 would allow much higher end of CPU like Athlon 64 X2, FX, or Opteron -- not very fitting to eMachines' company image. 😉

teiresias wrote on 2024-09-06, 01:52:

I have no idea how upgradable the thing is RAM-wise though.

RS480M: up to 2 x 1GB DDR400
RS480M2: up to 4 x 1GB DDR400

This build would be an okay WinXP build but also capable of being an overpowered Win98SE killer build. 😉

Just opened it up during my lunch break. Looks like the mobo is an MSI MS-7184 v1.x.

The machine also has a Bestec PSU, so from doing some searching looks like I may want to replace that before trying to power it on.

teiresias wrote on 2024-09-06, 16:51:

Just opened it up during my lunch break. Looks like the mobo is an MSI MS-7184 v1.x.

Intriguing. 😃 Yours has the same PCB as the MB on TRW but has a different southbridge.

I find many of those OEM boards, em, "fascinating," as the same model numbers and even revisions on spec sheets don't necessarily mean the same components. 😅

dormcat wrote on 2024-09-06, 18:32:

teiresias wrote on 2024-09-06, 16:51:

Just opened it up during my lunch break. Looks like the mobo is an MSI MS-7184 v1.x.

Intriguing. 😃 Yours has the same PCB as the MB on TRW but has a different southbridge.

I find many of those OEM boards, em, "fascinating," as the same model numbers and even revisions on spec sheets don't necessarily mean the same components. 😅

eMachines I'm sure was putting in orders for the cheapest possible components, so existing PCB designs with cheaper ICs swapped in, etc.

I have never seen a Radeon 7200 with default 200mhz core and 200mhz memory?? Maybe a weird proto sample? It does have T5 memory though.

Received a few 90s goodies this week. First up is a NOS SIIG 200-watt AT power supply. Will probably just be a backup unit for now as my current AT boxes all have a working PSU.

Also got my hands on a Sound Blaster 16 CT2290. No explanation needed. Will be a very cool addition to a pure DOS or DOS/Win9x box.

Finally, a GoldStar (LG) 8x CD-ROM drive, reconditioned and factory sealed. I like these lower speed drives for older systems to keep noise down.

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-09-06, 21:55:

I have never seen a Radeon 7200 with default 200mhz core and 200mhz memory?? Maybe a weird proto sample? It does have T5 memory though.

cool. send a photo of the card? 😜 does it have the "new" geforce256 style heatsink or the slim one?

abrunetto wrote on 2022-06-20, 15:21:

Hi. I found this MDA card with HMc HM6311. It is certainly a MDA card (hercules clon?), but it has a lot of jumpers... could be […]
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Hi. I found this MDA card with HMc HM6311.
It is certainly a MDA card (hercules clon?), but it has a lot of jumpers... could be possible that this card is also a CGA card?

Regards,
Ariek

This graphics card was very popular in China during the first half of the 1990s. It was known as a "dual-frequency monochrome card."
The term "dual-frequency" typically refers to the 18.432 kHz of MDA/HGC and the 15.75 kHz of CGA.
I could only find jumper setting information in Chinese: https://www.doc88.com/p-1157436958775.html
I have compiled the jumper settings for the HM6311 here.

1|J1	|J2		|Function
2|-------|-------|-------
3|ON	|ON 	|Disable
4|OFF	|ON 	|LPT1	
5|ON	|OFF	|LPT2	
6|OFF	|OFF	|LPT3
7
8|Jumper	|Off 					|On	
9|-------|-----------------------|-----
10|J3	|Monochrome Mode 		|CGA Mode
11|J4	|Auto switch mode 		|Disable
12|J5	|Select Dual ROM 		|Using single ROM
13|J6	|Auto screen blanking	|Disable
14|J7	|Color emulation mode	|No Color emulation
15|J8	|Reserved ON(Pull low)	|N/A
16|J9	|Select 7x7 font		|Select 5x7 font
17|J10	|Select Int. ROM		|Select Ext. ROM

The article also provides a few examples:

MDA/CGA mode:
J3: ON J4: OFF J5: OFF J6: OFF J8: ON
This mode uses the commands:

1MODE BW40
2MODE BW80
3MODE MONO

to switch display modes.

MDA-only mode:
J3: OFF J4: ON J5: ON J6: OFF J8: ON
It functions like a standard MDA card. The article mentions that this mode can correctly preview Chinese text for printing, which suggests it also supports HGC Hercules graphics mode.

CGA-only mode:
J3: ON J4: ON J5: ON J6: OFF
It operates in black-and-white CGA mode. The article notes that this is mainly used for boot disks requiring CGA mode.

I bought an AMD P75-133ADZ, but it's dead. Return to sender. And yes, it was from the bay.

Tested.

Insert John Candy Oh Sure GIF

PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-03, 11:32:

Won a classified for this beauty :) […]
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Won a classified for this beauty 😀

MB: MSI 850 Pro 5 (MS-6545) Ver:1
Cpu: Intel 1,8 Ghz
RAM: 2 buc. x Samsung 256Mb/16ECC 800-45 RDRAM Rambus RIMM
Terminators RIMM x 2

Shipped yesterday.

Unfortunately, the AGP slot seems to be completely dead. Any card inserted is not detected. Will only boot off PCI GPUs (tested with a Rage XL 8MB PCI, one of those chinesium built cards w/ a red PCB).