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Reply 60 of 87, by NJRoadfan

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The 12" DOS card should work in any PCI PowerMac. I don't recall anything "special" about it. The entire line of "DOS Compatible" Macs were just machines that came with the card pre-installed from the factory and a case badge.

Reply 61 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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Did not knew that, thx! I always look at the description from apple.

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Reply 62 of 87, by derSammler

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"Far East only" indicates that there was some legal issue back then, which is probably the reason for that statement. Or maybe the PR166 card got no FCC/TÜV approval for the rest of the world. 😉

Reply 63 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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Any Idea, why 7300 is not mentioned for the P100 12" card?

CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
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Reply 64 of 87, by derSammler

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No idea. The 7300, 7500, and 7600 share the same mainboard, so there should be no difference. Case is the same, too. Maybe the 7300 was sold with a too weak PSU. The P100 card certainly draws more power than the newer P133 one.

Reply 65 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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I don't think so.

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Reply 66 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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dr.zeissler wrote:

The gfx chip is a 82c450 Chips&Technologies. I found the drivers to. Win31 should
be no problem with these drivers, but there is no Win30 1x/2x driver 🙁 Doc

https://web.archive.org/web/19970606174113/ht … 0/suppframe.htm
ftp://ftp.chips.com/pub/drivers/win3053.zip

Here is the Win30 Driver, but the download does not work. Any idea where to get it?

Doc

CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
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Reply 67 of 87, by Jo22

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https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/54 … ility-dos-card/

Kids, 82C450 is very, very ancient..
Looking for 82C451 or 82C441 might be more promising.

Here's the driver disk for 82c451.

As for the 82c441, just use the included Windows 3.0 driver.
Select "QuadVGA, ATI VIP VGA, and 82C441 VGA" in setup, as described here.

One of these drivers should work with 82C450.
It's not like its successors and predecessors were completely different designs, after all.

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Reply 68 of 87, by torindkflt

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I know nothing about the technical details, but I recall seeing a video many years ago about someone using an add-in card to run (I think) x86 CP/M on an Apple III. I don't remember where I saw it, because this was during the pre-YouTube internet dark ages back when you had to install RealPlayer to watch online videos the size of a postage stamp at 3FPS. 😜

Reply 69 of 87, by Jo22

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Microsofts Z-80 SoftCard ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-80_SoftCard

I recall, there also was one for the IBM PC, too.
Edit: Found it! 😁 https://youtu.be/UVZhPlKlwcQ

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Reply 70 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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Jo22 wrote:
https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/54 … ility-dos-card/ Kids, 82C450 is very, very ancient.. Looking for 82C451 or 82C44 […]
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https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/54 … ility-dos-card/
Kids, 82C450 is very, very ancient..
Looking for 82C451 or 82C441 might be more promising.
Here's the driver disk for 82c451.
As for the 82c441, just use the included Windows 3.0 driver.
Select "QuadVGA, ATI VIP VGA, and 82C441 VGA" in setup, as described here.
One of these drivers should work with 82C450.
It's not like its successors and predecessors were completely different designs, after all.

I know that the 450 is indeed ancient and therefore relatively slow. The vesa-driver does make dos-slideshows possible (pulse sun/wild) and also dpaint3.0 with vesa up to 800x600 in 256colors and 1024x768 in 16colors (only 512k)
But it works and the win31 driver works just fine in 640x480@256colors.
I have to check out the win30-driver you described above. Would be nice if Win30 works too with 256colors.

CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
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Reply 71 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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Does someone here have experiances with the orangepc620 card?
I put mine in my G3-Desktop but my K6-III 400AFR always is detected as K6-III/256 Mhz.
If the jumpers are correct on the card and on the orangepc-faq. it should run on 66Mhz FSB with Multi 2x. The K6-II interprets the 2X as 6X so 6x66=400. But I always get 256Mhz...strange...

CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
ISA(3): Audician32-S2Dreamblaster - GusACE PCI(3): Monster3D- Intel NW AGP(1): 3dfx V3-3000

Reply 72 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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The small library of software available for the Macintosh platform has always been one of the principal hindrances to the growth of its market share (one of the others being overpriced hardware). In the late 80's and early 90's, with the library of PC applications and games booming, fans of the Macintosh were relegated to a seemingly smaller and smaller aisle in software stores. With PC developers reluctant to port their applications, what could be done to bridge the platforms? Add PC hardware to the Mac!

In 1987, Apple released its first ever expandable Macintosh computers -- the Macintosh SE and the Macintosh II. Taking advantage of this new opportunity to expand the Macintosh, AST Research introduced a pair of MS-DOS coprocessor cards for the Mac: the Mac86, an i8086 based card for the Macintosh SE and the higher performance Mac286, an i80286 based card for the Macintosh II. The introduction of PC hardware inside the Mac opened it up to the broad world of PC applications, however development of this card was dropped and in 1989 AST Research sold their technology to Orange Micro.

In 1994, the next iteration of DOS Compatibility Cards was released, this time by Apple, for their Quadra/Centris 610 series of computers. Called "Houdini" internally, the card featured a i80486 processor running at 33MHz. It was well received, but lacked some features needed for wide appeal, such as support for sound.

In February of 1995, after months of consumer anticipation, Apple Computer released the "Houdini II" DOS Compatibility Card for the Powermac 6100, which had a 66MHz 486 processor on a processor direct card that could easily be installed in the 6100. The package shipped with the latest Microsoft OSes at the time, Windows 3.11 and DOS 6.22, and could later run Windows versions up to Windows 98, although they weren't officially supported.

Using the Powermac 6100 with the DOS Card was really an elegant experience. The Mac OS and PC environment ran simultaneously and a hotkey could be configured to instantly toggle between the two environments. Alternately, a second monitor could be attached to the video out port on the DOS Card so that both environments could be displayed at once, although I believe a hotkey was still necessary to toggle the keyboard and mouse over to the PC. The PC environment could also use the Macintosh's peripherals, including external modems, printers, network adapter and even the SCSI devices.

After the successful release of the Houdini II, Apple licensed the DOS Card technology to Reply Corperation who, along with Orange Micro, began to develop cards that were compatible with a wider range of Macs and were also more affordable.

Apple also began bundling the cards with some of its systems and marketing them as PC compatible. Systems that included a DOS Compatibility Card:

Power Macintosh 6100/60 (PC) 66MHz 80486 processor card
Power Macintosh 6100/66 (PC) 66MHz 80486 processor card
Power Macintosh 4400/200 (PC) 166 MHz Cyrix 6x86 processor card
Power Macintosh 7200/120 (PC) 100 MHz Pentium processor card
Power Macintosh 7220/200 (PC) 166 MHz Cyrix 6x86 processor card
Power Macintosh 7300/180 (PC) 166 MHz Pentium processor card

CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
ISA(3): Audician32-S2Dreamblaster - GusACE PCI(3): Monster3D- Intel NW AGP(1): 3dfx V3-3000

Reply 73 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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http://ftp.chips.com/pub/drivers/win3053.zip
Still searching for that driver....

CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
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Reply 74 of 87, by cyclone3d

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dr.zeissler wrote on 2020-02-04, 19:29:

http://ftp.chips.com/pub/drivers/win3053.zip
Still searching for that driver....

What about this one?
https://web.archive.org/web/19971121054739/ht … sa/450win3x.zip

Found here:
http://neko68k.blogspot.com/2019/09/power-mac … compatible.html

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Reply 75 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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thx!
btw: "I had a hell of a time finding the VGA drivers for Windows 3.1. Thanks to a friend for their hard work I have them now and so do you."

I already had the win31 driver but getting the win30-driver is a big deal! THX!!!

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ISA(3): Audician32-S2Dreamblaster - GusACE PCI(3): Monster3D- Intel NW AGP(1): 3dfx V3-3000

Reply 76 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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Perhaps you could find the OrangePC 3.1.2 driver for my OPC620 as well?
I am searching a long time for these, everywhere I only get 3.4.x...

CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
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Reply 77 of 87, by cyclone3d

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How about 3.1.1 and some other stuff?

Got it from web.archive.org... surprised that they actually archived the larger files:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://pccardfaq … ange%20Micro//*

Archived page that kind of explains it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20160313112754/htt … /pccardfaq.com/

Uploaded the files to my Google Drive:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IPhMSWCNd5w … WsTjTGt2gF1Xd5T

I wasn't sure what version of OrangePC it was so I used 7-Zip to open it up and it looks to be 3.1.1. The misc.zip contains a bunch of other stuff.
The Drive D looks to just be an empty drive except for doublespace/drivespace stuff, but it may actually may have some stuff in it if opened with a MAC which I don't have.
If you could check and see if there is actually anything there that would be great.

One other thing. According to the Orange Micro web site, you need either 3.1.1 or newer to do the full upgrade to 3.4.2 or 3.4 to do the application only update.
I wonder if that is why 3.4.2 is not working right on your system.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050204034710/htt … om/updates.html

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Reply 78 of 87, by dr.zeissler

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Thx!

CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
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Reply 79 of 87, by jessenator

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dr.zeissler wrote on 2016-07-31, 12:29:

Can the cpu be changed like on orange cards?

Sorry for the necro quote—also, hi. I sort of discovered this forum by way of the 68kMLA forum.

Has anyone ever attempted to socket and change the CPU on these cards?

As far as I can tell, based on Oliver Schubert's site, the BIOS is all contained in the PC Setup control panel. Is any modification necessary? I've been looking at CPUs with similar specs (most importantly voltage and TDP) and a WinChip 200 seems like an okay upgrade (for the P100 card, anyway).

It also seems like there's ample lateral space on the 12" card itself for a socket 7 ZIF. ANyway, I'm sure I haven't thought of everything necessary for attempting a swap like this, but I'll bump to see if anyone has ever attempted this. Thanks!