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First post, by Rodoko

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Well this is my first post on Vogons and I'm glad to know about vintage computers thanks to this subforum and vintage computer related YT videos that inspired me to take them to my home and fix to get them working as intended, and some computers are from the mid to late 90's others from 2001 to 2008 but well, lets start with the collection

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The first thing that you guys will notice is the place where the machines are located, is my Man's Cave (or Bin Laden's Cave as called by my dad) a.k.a room so there's some disaster on the floor and things like that :P. And if you look the pic you can see a HP Vectra, an old P266 machine that works and on the bottom a Socket 775 P4 based computer, the monitor on top of the HP is my trusty Philips 170S 17" monitor that works since we bought it in 2007 to (sadly) replace a Philips 105B 15" CRT monitor on our family computer, but as of today, all my family (including me) use laptops as their primary computers (BTW: Yuki my cat which her back is visible on the pic makes a little cameo, is great having a cat with you :3 )
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Here is my MS-DOS gaming machine with a P266 MMX with 64 MB RAM, 2.1 GB Western Digital HDD, dual floppy drives and dual CD drives on a Tekram P5T30B4-E Socket 7 baby AT motherboard, I did get it without the drives, only the motherboard, soundcard and the power supply so, the components were added by me, and I fixed a problem on the Turbo light by finding the correct pins on the motherboard and now is working 100%, also has Trident 1 MB video and a SoundBlaster 16 Value (w/o the hanging note bug) soundcard which gives a rich OPL3 sound and great quality on CD audio as well
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This is a Socket 775 custom build computer with an Asus P5P800-VM, originally had a Celeron 2.8 GHz in it and I swapped that out to a P4 3.2 GHz and a 80 gig HD, and also changed the FD to a card reader and the CD drive to a SATA DVD drive, the computer does turn on but gets stuck when detecting devices (I did a BIOS update before on that board that completed sucessfully) what I mean is, when the board detects the HDD doesn't go any further so something wrong is happening with it, so I might need help for this one (The brand on the case is just a local known brand from here, Argentina, the country where I live)
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This is my Pentium III computer, in reality is a HP Vectra VL400 MB installed on a HP Vectra VE case and that's beacuse the original case has a non-standard ATX Delta power supply that died on me so, after months I decided to install this motherboard on a HP dedicated case
Originally the case is from a Pentium II Vectra VE, has the original model on the side (Vectra VE 350/D series which means that the processor was a 350 MHz Pentium II)
BTW the system runs a Japanese version of Windows XP and has a 1 GHz Coppermine Pentium III, 512 MB PC133 RAM and a 40 GB WD HDD which originally was on our family computer back in 2006 (If you want the wall that I have on the computer I will post an attachment but is 1280x1024 so iit won't look good on a 16.9 monitor. Also I do love anime and manga and Japanese related stuff)
Also you can see two boxes, one with various screws and other one with plastic and metal standoffs and a copy of Flight Simulator X
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Here we see two computers, on the bottom is a Athlon XP based system on a Asus A7V266-MX which was the first computer that I recieved from my mom's work, doesn't have RAM but works, but I got it working after I did get a power supply for it and still has the original 40 GB Samsung HDD but the original data was erased and I think that does have Windows 2000 on it, I don't remember

The top one is a P200 MMX based custom build with 32 MB EDO RAM, a Quantum Fireball 2 GB HDD, Amptron PM9100 (a.k.a. PCChips M571) with integrated Sillicon Integrated Systems 5598 chipset and CMI8330 SB compatible sound, it was my first DOS gaming PC until it was succeded by the P266, has AMI BIOS, while the successor has Award BIOS, the speakers on the top are connected to the 12V rail on a Molex to DC converter, now as of today this machine runs Windows 95 B
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Reply 1 of 27, by Rodoko

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(This is a continuation of the first post)

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There's two computers on the bottom of those keyboards, the first one on the bottom of the Spanish layout black keyboard (Which is connected to the Vectra) is a Slot 1 based Pentium II 400 MHz computer sitting on a PCChips M726 with an ALI chipset with 128 MB RAM and a Seagate 6.2 GB HDD, and the upgrades I did to it one of them is sadly a downgrade, on the graphics side I removed a SiS 3D accelerator and replaced with a Diamond Stealth 64 S3 Trio 64 based PCI card beacuse the SiS one died on me by ESD and on the upgrade side I added my SoundBlaster Live Value card (Which has an issue with the MPU-401 and FM not being detected in Duke Nukem 3D using his SB16 emulator) and I added a DVD reader from 1997 and a CD drive from 2001 (Those drives came from different Compaq computers, one came with the machine while I did bought the DVD one), actually has Windows 98SE running on it

The second one on the bottom of three keyboards is a Socket 478 Williamette Pentium 4, on a DFI motherboard (I did ID the brand via the BIOS string but I don't know the model, all I can tell is that it is a MicroATX form factor and uses PC133 SDRAM and has a yellowish color to it) with an 80 GB Hitachi Deathstar HDD which does work and a CD and DVD drives as well
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One quirk on the P200 and PII systems is that they use a BIOS that was programmed on 15/7/1995, 11 days before I was born!!

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And finally here is my main PC, a Lenovo Thinkpad, Core i5, Seagate 500 GB HDD, 4 GB RAM and Windows 10 Pro
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Reply 2 of 27, by alexanrs

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I like that case your MMX is in. I'd probably match it with something older, though. I don't think desktop 266 MMX were ever released, is it a Tilamook or an OCed MMX?
Shame about the LGA775 system, that could be a nice XP system if fixed.

Btw, your birth date makes me feel old xD

Reply 4 of 27, by SquallStrife

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You need to clean those cases bro. Eucalyptus oil will get those "sticker gunk" stains out quick-smart.

That said, I am a big fan of your MMX mini-tower case. Very 90s. I love it. 😀

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Reply 5 of 27, by Rodoko

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alexanrs wrote:

I like that case your MMX is in. I'd probably match it with something older, though. I don't think desktop 266 MMX were ever released, is it a Tilamook or an OCed MMX?

Is basically a standard Pentium MMX, not overclocked or anything like that, all I can say is that both Pentium MMX computers were originally a 120 MHz Pentium processor and later they were upgraded with faster ones :3

I leave an attachment of the specs via Speedsys from both the 200 and 266 computers

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This are the specs from the P266 MMX
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The front of the P200 MMX
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The specs from the P200 MMX one (Says MS-DOS 7.10 coz is running Windows 95)
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Reply 6 of 27, by alexanrs

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Why is that MMX266 getting such a low score? Is it a Tilamook (x4 multi + L2 cache disabled)? Or is it just a misdetection? Is it actually slower than the MMX 200 in games? I'm intrigued.

Reply 7 of 27, by Rodoko

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The low score is because I have both caches turned off to run it in 286 mode, as Phil says, with MB cache is 386 and with the processor one is a 486 and both turned on is 266 MHz full speed (Maybe on the cache stuff I'm inverted on the options and processors)

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Reply 8 of 27, by brostenen

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The P266 has a nice case. I like it. 😀
Just clean some of those cases. You will like it when they are better looking. 😉

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 9 of 27, by brostenen

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alexanrs wrote:

Btw, your birth date makes me feel old xD

Same here... 😁

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 10 of 27, by Rodoko

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alexanrs wrote:

Shame about the LGA775 system, that could be a nice XP system if fixed.

Got it working, the HDD just "died" on me, I changed for the Samsung one that was on the Athlon and now works great :3

brostenen wrote:

The P266 has a nice case. I like it. 😀
Just clean some of those cases. You will like it when they are better looking. 😉

I will be doing that when I can, not now because I need to organize my man's cave, most of it it will be moved to a farmhouse maybe this year or on 2016 (Except the machines that do work) :3

Reply 11 of 27, by Tertz

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Rodoko wrote:

The low score is because I have both caches turned off to run it in 286 mode, as Phil says, with MB cache is 386 and with the processor one is a 486 and both turned on is 266 MHz full speed (Maybe on the cache stuff I'm inverted on the options and processors)

There is another option to test your P266 MMX device for slow specs support: DOSBox. Would be interesting how it holds it. We still have no results for Pentium 1 machines.

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Reply 12 of 27, by Rodoko

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I actually have DOSBox on my main PC and is the program that I use for testing if the games would work on the machine

One difference is that on DOSBox every driver is loaded with lots of free conventional and extended memory meanwhile on the P266 you need to fight with drivers and Memmaker and TSRs and things :3

2morrow I will be posting the original Speedsys result of the P266 coz since on the last test as I said, it was with both caches turned off, so it worked like a 286

Reply 13 of 27, by alexanrs

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Honestly, I have never used MEMMAKER. I can easily get over 600KB of conventional memory as long as I load EMM386 and set it to provide UMBs (and INCLUDE address ranges manually in some machines), even with SmartDrive+MSCDEX+packet driver loaded without sacrificing the EMS page frame. It is one of those things that once you learn to do manually you'll never need something like MEMMAKER again.

Reply 14 of 27, by Tertz

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Rodoko wrote:

2morrow I will be posting the original Speedsys result of the P266 coz since on the last test as I said, it was with both caches turned off, so it worked like a 286

The most comparative chart is there. If you'll want to see how your systems are close to others. Unfortunally it has no DOSBox benchmark as obligate part.

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Reply 15 of 27, by Rodoko

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I will do a full benchmark maybe this weekend or the Tuesday and upload to here but for now, I do have the original Speedtest result of the P266

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Reply 16 of 27, by shamino

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I don't remember the name, but there's some Intel utility that is supposed to identify exactly what CPU is installed. If I remember correctly it was designed to identify the intended speed of the CPU, regardless of how it is clocked, so as to identify CPUs that had been overclocked. I think it was intended to expose retail shops that sold overclocked systems (something Intel obviously wanted to stop). I don't know if it's able to detect this info on Pentium MMX chips though, or if it only works on later chips.
Have you ever run that utility with the P266 MMX? I think it's included on the "Ultimate Boot CD", if you have that. My memory of the utility is vague, I haven't used it in a long time.

I like how the case for your P200MMX has a 3 digit speed LED. I assume the leading digit doesn't go above "1", but still, it's twice the range of other displays.
I think it would be really cool to have those speed readouts back on modern cases, and be able to signal them from the motherboard to match all the switching P-states on modern CPUs.

Reply 17 of 27, by Rodoko

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Later I will find it, anyways, the display on the P200 goes to 120 and when I press the turbo buttom goes up to 999, I guess that the one on the P266 does the same, but it shows 16 w/o the turbo button pressed and if I press it, shows 120 which means that those two machines were originally Pentium 120 and then they upgraded to a 200 and 266 MHz Pentiums respectively, so there's no source of overclocking on those two computers :3

BTW, the P200 has the Turbo switch pinout but the 266 does not owo

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Reply 18 of 27, by alexanrs

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It does get a higher score than a Pentium MMX 233, so I guess it is being identified correctly. And the L2 cache is probabably working fine.
Btw my old P3 had an ATX case with a three digit LED display configured to show "700" (as it came with a 700MHz P3). Can't find that case for sale anywhere, though =/

Reply 19 of 27, by Rodoko

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I did remember a post here in Vogons that someone worked a AT case LED display to show 700 instead of 199 and that case was used on many of the computers on my primary school when I was a kid (Every machine had Pentium 266 at least with 64 or 128 MB RAM, and later, they upgraded to IBM PC 300 GLs and later to AMD based ones)
And your case was like this one?? owo

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Inside that case there is a AMD K6-350 that as of today is not working since the motherboard has broken PS/2 ports (All I mean is that it does turn on and everything is just that the PS/2 ports are not working great as before u.u) Motherboard is a BCM VP1541 a.k.a Diamond Micronics C200, is a SS7 the processor indeed does work :3 )
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