Ok have tested 130+ games, in find ~20 not working (described in Not working games for now section of first post) with Yamaha SB emulation, could someone pleas retest someone them too and tell if has same problems?
Pleas add info about used MB.
X58/i865/V880 - Yamaha7x4/AureaV1/2 pure Dos7.1- compatibility list/research/ ultim. drivers configs, WIP- gurus needed

ruthan wrote:

Ok have tested 130+ games, in find ~20 not working (described in Not working games for now section of first post) with Yamaha SB emulation, could someone pleas retest someone them too and tell if has same problems?
Pleas add info about used MB.
X58/i865/V880 - Yamaha7x4/AureaV1/2 pure Dos7.1- compatibility list/research/ ultim. drivers configs, WIP- gurus needed

You aren't using SB-Link with your choice of motherboard and chipset?

If you are using DSDMA instead, then it's very hit and miss when it comes to fully working sound. If CPU slowdown doesn't work, then try slowdown with some form of CPU cache still present.

Another option is to run the games, if possible, within a Windows DOS session (not referring to DOS BOX emulation). The success rate can vary with the driver version for your YMF7X4.

j^aws wrote:

You aren't using SB-Link with your choice of motherboard and chipset?

He's using X58/ICH10R combo 😀

j^aws wrote:

If you are using DSDMA instead, then it's very hit and miss when it comes to fully working sound. If CPU slowdown doesn't work, then try slowdown with some form of CPU cache still present.
Another option is to run the games, if possible, within a Windows DOS session (not referring to DOS BOX emulation). The success rate can vary with the driver version for your YMF7X4.

We are now much deeper in problem so i almost know what im doing 😀 Its much better than hit and miss, wer are at 80%+ compatibility ratio and it could be even better.. with some help. Now i need input form other people with Yamahas and especially with older chipset to say, if my problems are Yamaha specific or too new machine specific.. There would be both of them. After that it would be interesting to test problematic games on X58 Aureal Vortex 2 machine, to slow how much better Aureal Vortex 2 is for such machine.. There some limits of Yamahas because of need of EMS mode, Aureal has no such limitation.

ruthan wrote:

j^aws wrote:

If you are using DSDMA instead, then it's very hit and miss when it comes to fully working sound. If CPU slowdown doesn't work, then try slowdown with some form of CPU cache still present.
Another option is to run the games, if possible, within a Windows DOS session (not referring to DOS BOX emulation). The success rate can vary with the driver version for your YMF7X4.

We are now much deeper in problem so i almost know what im doing 😀 Its much better than hit and miss, wer are at 80%+ compatibility ratio and it could be even better.. with some help. Now i need input form other people with Yamahas and especially with older chipset to say, if my problems are Yamaha specific or too new machine specific.. There would be both of them. After that it would be interesting to test problematic games on X58 Aureal Vortex 2 machine, to slow how much better Aureal Vortex 2 is for such machine.. There some limits of Yamahas because of need of EMS mode, Aureal has no such limitation.

If you are getting around 80+% compatibility with X58 then that's pretty good without using SB-Link. The only game I couldn't get working with a 440BX setup and using slowdown tricks with an Ezra CPU was Quarantine. I've put that game on the back burner for further investigation. So to compare with SB-LINK, I was getting 99+% compatibility.

BTW, I'm not a fan of how the Aureal Vortex sounds with FM in DOS; it is rather unpleasant sounding.

j^aws wrote:

The only game I couldn't get working with a 440BX setup and using slowdown tricks with an Ezra CPU was Quarantine.

For 80 %+ we of course new some slowdown utils, but after initial investigation, its just one command better game start or you just create batch for starting the game.. Other annoying think si that i would say 5 for 100, working only with specific SB IRQ settings, im using by default IRQ5, but some needs IRQ7, et least with Yamaha DSDMA.exe

I've put that game on the back burner for further investigation. So to compare with SB-LINK, I was getting 99+% compatibility.

With that nforce3 board? I would say that when some people talk about compatibility there are using much higher number that is reality, look at my list of problematic games, there were games like Civilization 1 which had unfixable problem (without patching binaries) even on P3 450 and similar machines. I really curious if game from my problematic list would work on Core 2 Duo games which are quite few of people using as best retro PC.. i dont yet my Core 2 duo, but its not best one for compatibility - no ISA and Geforce 6600 a PCI Creative sound card.

BTW, I'm not a fan of how the Aureal Vortex sounds with FM in DOS; it is rather unpleasant sounding.

I dont heard Aureal yet, but how to say it?, im not used on too much good pure Dos PC games sound - lots of samples are very small and low quality and even with Yamaha for music you can connect some external general midi. Unless someone will code something to fix Yamahas compatibility problems, Aureal is only choice and it needs to be only better than pc speaker and Adlib:)

Hey there, I just got a Yamaha ymf724f-v but I cannot properly work on windows xp nor Dos. It seems that on my Nforce 2 chipset I cannot configure properly the gameport. Why this happens? What card I can run through dos and windows xp (separate dual boot hard disks) expecially to enamble gameport and play with my beautiful Quickshot cloche?

Nforce is not good for compatibility:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cvhr6 … K4l0/edit#gid=0

biessea wrote:

Hey there, I just got a Yamaha ymf724f-v but I cannot properly work on windows xp nor Dos. It seems that on my Nforce 2 chipset I cannot configure properly the gameport. Why this happens? What card I can run through dos and windows xp (separate dual boot hard disks) expecially to enamble gameport and play with my beautiful Quickshot cloche?

Having a quick test with a YMF744 card on my Abit NF7-S V1.2 (nForce2). Unfortunately it seems like you can't access the legacy ports of the YMF744 on this setup.

Kamerat wrote:

biessea wrote:

Hey there, I just got a Yamaha ymf724f-v but I cannot properly work on windows xp nor Dos. It seems that on my Nforce 2 chipset I cannot configure properly the gameport. Why this happens? What card I can run through dos and windows xp (separate dual boot hard disks) expecially to enamble gameport and play with my beautiful Quickshot cloche?

Having a quick test with a YMF744 card on my Abit NF7-S V1.2 (nForce2). Unfortunately it seems like you can't access the legacy ports of the YMF744 on this setup.

OMG, this Abit seems to be the problem.

I try with an Asus A7N8X Deluxe, that have gameport, and I hope that something change.

For Windows I can use the integrated audio card, but for DOS I have to use the Yamaha, how can i do?