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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-02, 20:35

Maybe you can try going with a different 4-in-1 driver. Some of these settings were likely enabled by the current driver already, hence no change in performance. Conversely, they may be disable after the driver loads. Some of those options don't have much to do with the memory subsystem, and more …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-02, 19:23

I just set a lot of BIOS options to Enabled. Curiously, doing this has made no difference to the 3DMark scores. Also, the system remains stable. The BIOS options which have been changed from Disabled to Enabled are - PCI master pipeline req = Enabled P2C/C2P concurrency = Enabled CPU to PCI write …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-02, 17:00

Those memory scores are very good. Perhaps my "new" CL2 RAM sticks are not the best quality? I have made 2 changes inside the BIOS - DRAM bank interleave = 4-Way (Other options are Disabled, 2-Way) MD driving strength = Lo (Other option is Hi) Memtest reports that the memory is the same speed, at …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-02, 13:55

I made some BIOS set up area changes, relating to the memory - Bank 0/1 DRAM timing = Fast (Other option values are SDRAM 8/10ns, Normal, Medium, Turbo) Bank 2/3 DRAM timing = Fast (Other option values are SDRAM 8/10ns, Normal, Medium, Turbo) Bank 4/5 DRAM timing = Fast (Other option values are …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-02, 12:04

I'm also guessing your waiting on the CL2 sticks? The CL2 SDRAM sticks have arrived. I don't know if this is bad or not, but the RAM chips on these sticks are only on one side. Does that mean it's high density? And does that mean they are not as good as double-sided low density SDRAM sticks? The …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-01, 09:32

I have made just one change - I removed the specially unlocked mobile barton XP-M CPU (2400+ rated, running at 16x @133 FSB = ~2.13 Ghz real speed), and replaced it with a t-bred 2400+ rated CPU (running at 15x @133 FSB = 2 Ghz real speed). The system appears to be stable. 3DMark 2001 s.e. = 8571, …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-31, 18:18

One thing you want to consider is that the BIOS, and the VIA chipset drivers will work with a lot of the same settings and functions. So essentially you have left your BIOS blank and let the chipset drivers do the programming. Probably not a bad way to go about it. 4-in-1's have a large effect on …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-31, 15:55

I am confident that I have finally got the system stable now, with a Ti4200 graphics card. To recap, I am currently using - Abit KT7A mobo, PCB revision 1.3 Unlocked mobile barton CPU (2400+ rated) CPUMSR.exe set to 15x (@ 133 FSB), real clock speed = 2 Ghz Coolon.exe cooling enabled Ti4200 graphics …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-31, 09:57

I have managed to get the system stable. I tried many different settings (BIOS settings and nVidia driver versions) for the Abit Ti4200, but it remained unstable using 3DMark 2001 s.e. The Gainward Ti4200 arrived this morning, so it was a good excuse to remove the Abit Ti4200, and try the Gainward …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-30, 22:26

I dunno how deep you want to get into it, but have you tried any of the other usual tweaks with that particular combo, like different 4-in-1 drivers, setting the AGP speed to 2X, upping the Vcore and drive strength by a notch, etc.? Kinda grasping at straws here, but it could just be that there's …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-30, 20:46

What are the volatges ou have set for the I/O and CPU in the BIOS? It's currently set to "Default", which is 1.65V for the core and 3.4V for the IO. If I go to the BIOS "health status" section, the readings say: 1.64V for the core, and 3.39V for the IO. Also, the other readings say: 5V=4.95 and 12V …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-30, 19:22

I decided to "wheel out the big gun" instead. I put an nVidia 6800 GT in to the board, nvidia driver version 77.something. I rerun 3DMark 2001 s.e. (now as always, on default settings), and it freezes. I think there could be something wrong with the board. It can't be a power problem, because I'm …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-30, 18:37

I am using an Abit KT7A revision 1.3 non-Raid board. I just put a t-bred 2400+ rated CPU in to it, and the BIOS POST screen displays: AMD Athlon XP 2400+ 08/22/2002 "B4" (That's part of the BIOS string) Inside Windows 98, I check out Sandra and she tells me that the FSB is 133, the multiplier is 15x …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-30, 12:06

I made a few changes to the KT133A based set up, but unfortunately it hasn't made the 3DMark 2001 s.e. score any better. I removed the QDI Kinetiz board, and replaced it with an Abit KT7A board. I removed the Infineon 256 MB SDRAM stick, and replaced it with a 512 MB SDRAM ("no name/brand") stick. …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-30, 08:05

FWIW if you just want a ballpark estimation, my T-Bred 2400 (266fsb) in an Nforce2 mobo with a 9800Pro used to score around 13,000 in 3DMark01se. With a Thunderbird and SDRAM, I'd expect you'd have a hard time breaking 10K. So 8000 seems about right for a Ti4200 with everything at stock speed. I …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-29, 15:59

I have upgraded the VIA 4in1 driver, from 4.35 to 4.43. I have also installed George Breese's "Latency" and "Interleave" patches. The results below are updated benchmarks - Mobo C tests • Test 1 - No FSB overclocking: 3Dmark '99 = 10035, 20291 (Was 9959, 20319) 3Dmark 2000 = 9271 (Was 8930) 3Dmark …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-29, 13:52

OK, thanks a lot. I will now do the following - 1) Uninstall the nVidia graphics driver 2) Install 4in1 driver v 4.43. Hopefully, this will simply "overwrite" the existing 4.35 4in1 driver. When I install the 4.43 driver, I will select "turbo mode" for AGP, if this option exists. I will also select …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-29, 12:22

Retro - are the 3dmark 2001 se scores updated? The score between 7600 and 8867 seems pretty lousy for that video card and KT133a. I mean, I've had more then 10 000 score with a radeon 8500 which is a much worse video card then the ti4200! And that was done on a Asus A7V133-c w/ palomino 1800+. I …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-29, 10:03

I've got an idea. How about I try some different graphics cards in the KT133A mobo? I could rerun some of those tests. But this time, is there anyone out there who could double-check the new 3DMark 2001 s.e. scores? I have these graphics cards available - HiS Radeon ATI 7500 MSI Ti4200 (64 MB, 4x …

Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-29, 08:37

Retro - are the 3dmark 2001 se scores updated? The score between 7600 and 8867 seems pretty lousy for that video card and KT133a. I mean, I've had more then 10 000 score with a radeon 8500 which is a much worse video card then the ti4200! And that was done on a Asus A7V133-c w/ palomino 1800+. I …

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