Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-28, 11:09

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I have finished testing. :sweatdrop: Please see the O.P. and also the 2 other Speedsys posts for all the results. I'm going to see if I can put all of the results in to Excel spreadsheet charts. But before I do that, if someone wants me to run any further tests, or suggest a better way to "chart" …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-28, 09:03

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As for the problems with the TBred 1700, yeah, sound like there's something wrong with that particular chip. Have you looked closely for any chips or cracks on the core substrate? That was a pretty common cause of Sudden Athlon Death Syndrome, and it could cause all sorts of strange problems …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-27, 20:28

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I have solved the problem with the KT133A mobo testing! There is definitely something "wrong" with the t-bred 1700+ (1467 mhz) rated CPU. I just had a very lucky find, and found a t-bird 1400 mhz athlon CPU in one of my boxes of junk. That's perfect for this set of tests, because the Intel "Test A" …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-27, 17:01

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I have temporarily stopped testing, because something doesn't make sense. The 3Dmark scores on the non-OC'd Intel 440 BX system (100 FSB, 1.4 Ghz, AGP at 2x) are better than the non-OC'd VIA KT133A system (133 FSB, 1.467 Ghz, AGP at 4x). I don't understand why. Possible reasons - 1) VIA KT133A is …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-27, 15:33

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Speedsys 4.78 results, continued. (I couldn't add any more attachments to the original Speedsys post.) All run from Windows 98 SE's "safe command prompt only" DOS area. Mobo C tests • Test 1 - No FSB overclocking. • Test 2 - FSB OC'd by 7 Mhz to 140, from 133. • Test 3 - Upgrade CPU to a "t-bred" …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-27, 10:01

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Speedsys 4.78 results. All run from Windows 98 SE's "safe command prompt only" DOS area. Mobo A tests • Test 1 - No FSB overclocking. • Test 2 - FSB OC'd to 112. Test 3 - FSB OC'd greater than 112 does not seem entirely stable, using the nVidia Ti4200. (Currently, there is no Speedsys screenshot.) • …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-27, 09:11

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Thanks everyone! I will get all of these tests done today, including all suggesions. (I have edited the O.P. just to tidy it up a bit.) Also, regarding Pcpbench - I will add pcpbench 130 (320x200x8) to my tests. When I run pcpbench 114 (800x600x16) and 118 (1024x768x32), these 2 tests do not display …

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ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2009-12-26, 20:59

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Head to head to head details: Mobo A: Intel 440 BX slot 1 board (Asus P2B, 3 ISA slots), with a Powerleap adapter and a Celeron 1.4 Ghz CPU. 100 FSB, then some FSB OC'ing to 112 mhz. Mobo B: AMD 751/756 chipset socket 462 board (Gigabyte GA-7IXE4, 2 ISA slots), with a 1.3 Ghz Palomino CPU (which has …

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-26, 17:31

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I couldn't be bothered with 115 fsb. I tried 120 fsb instead - 3DMark '99 (default) = 10263, 21040 3dmark 2000 (default) = Failed. It froze about 2/3rds the way through. I then reduced the fsb from 120 to 115, and tried again. Also, I just read Old Thrashbarg's post above, suggesting that I reduce …

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-26, 16:01

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More testing - Mobo FSB: 112 AGP graphics: nVidia Ti4200 64mb (45.something driver) Rivatuner setting: V-sync = "off" 3DMark '99 (default) = 10185, 20856 3dmark 2000 (default) = 9078 3dmark 2001 fe (default) = 8158 3dmark 2001 se (default) = 8229 Pcpbench modes 100, 103, 105 = 152.7, 102.8, 73.7 All …

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-26, 13:49

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I decided to leave the V3 in the mobo, and increase the FSB from 112 to 120. I left the PL adapter's voltage on "2 notches higher than default" = 1.650-1.675v. Now, the BIOS POST screen said that the CPU was running at 1679 mhz. Sandra CPU = 4622, 2256 Sandra Multimedia = 8917, 10819 Pcpbench modes …

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-26, 13:18

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I wanted to increase the mobo's FSB back up to 112 again, from it's current OC'd setting of 105. But I needed to make a graphics card change, because the Radeon 9800 did not work correctly at that 112 fsb setting. When I say "did not work correctly", I mean it failed on one of the "demanding" 3DMark …

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-26, 11:36

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On this webpage, at the bottom where it says "Overclocking, anyone?" - http://duhvoodooman.com/powrleap/PLspeed2.htm This guy is OC'ing his rev 2.0 1.4GHz PowerLeap. He was successful at 112 FSB. He only had to increase the PL's voltage by "one notch", to 1.600-1.625. He also successfully OC'd the …

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-26, 11:08

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Things seem to be going a *bit* better, now that the PL adapter's voltage has been increased to 1.650-1.675v Sandra 2002 Pro runs OK. She tells me the CPU and multimedia scores OK. But... 3DMark 2001 s.e. (all settings on default, which means 1024x768, no AA, etc) = Fails on the nature test. Screen …

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-26, 10:40

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Before OC'ing the P2B mobo, I increased the Powerleap's voltage jumper by one "notch", from its default setting of 1.550-1.575v to 1.600-1.625v. I then set the P2B's mobo fsb jumper setting from its 100.3 fsb setting to 112 fsb (37.33 PCI). I switch on power, and the BIOS POST screen tells me that …

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-26, 09:29

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OK, I have run some more benchies. I'm still using the Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb card, with the ATI control panel software settings all set to their default initial installation settings. The only change I have made is to set v-sync = "off". Also, at this moment the mobo is not OC'd. Memory used is 1 …

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-25, 17:53

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I haven't OC'd either the Powerleap or the mobo yet, or both. (Actually, I'm not sure which one(s) I have to OC. Maybe I just leave the PL set to 100 fsb, and then set the mobo to 112 fsb. I expect that's it.) Anyway, I tried a Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb in this non-OC'd system, then ran 3DMark 2001 …

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-25, 16:17

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OK thanks. I'm going to try: 1.58ghz/112fsb.

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Re: I have made the Powerleap

Posted on 2009-12-25, 15:40

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Thanks. But would I be even better off with one of these? SL6BY. It runs at 133 fsb. If I set the Powerleap's jumpers to 133, and use a SL6BY, in conjunction with the mobo's FSB jumpers being set to 133, then am I correct in thinking that that equates to no OC'ing at all?

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Re: More fun and games with VIA's KT133/A chipset

Posted on 2009-12-25, 15:08

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On another note, I had KT7a from a few months back that I pulled out yesterday. When I first got it, it wouldn't power on for more than a second, this was when I was using a dinky 200 something watt power supply. I've noticed something interesting about Abit KT7A boards, especially older revisions. …

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