Re: Cyrix 5x86 120GP with Biostar MB8433 Version 2

Posted on 2013-07-19, 22:57

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by feipoa

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Last month I bought 3 new and unused IBM 5x86c chips for $30 shipped to Canada ($30 for all 3). They are not the more common late 1995 chips either, they are from 3-12th week of 1996. The 12th week chip is even past Cyrix last production date of these chips (7th week of 1996). I've done some initial …

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Re: Cyrix 5x86 120GP with Biostar MB8433 Version 2

Posted on 2013-07-19, 06:14

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by feipoa

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I don't recall saying to use an AWE64 PCI card. I mentioned an AWE64Gold was a popular choice for an ISA sound card for these boards. It is also the only ISA sound card I have tested on a 66 MHz FSB 486. If the ISA bus is running at FSB/4 (or 16.7 MHz), I'm not sure which sound cards are really …

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Re: Cyrix 5x86 120GP with Biostar MB8433 Version 2

Posted on 2013-07-19, 01:16

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by feipoa

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Not very strange. I think all ceramic 120 chips were either marked as 3.6V or not volt marked at all. You are bound to get some which operate well at slightly less voltage. We don't really know what qualification procedure was used by Cyrix for this chips. Perhaps only some seldom used chip feature …

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Re: DTK PKM-0033S +5V pin overheating + PS/2 mouse implementation

Posted on 2013-07-18, 20:41

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by feipoa

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Test Windows NT or Linux with PS/2 mouse support removed from the BIOS image, as both should directly probe the keyboard controller to determine if a PS/2 mouse is present. If it works and detects the mouse, all the BIOS setting does is modify that INT 11 "Equipment ID" value I mentioned earlier. …

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Re: Cyrix 5x86 120GP with Biostar MB8433 Version 2

Posted on 2013-07-18, 20:25

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by feipoa

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Strangely: When I use this cyrix chip at its intended frequency of 120mhz. I can throw every test at it and it passes with flying colours well below its rated voltage. Set at 3.45 volts via the jumpers on the board I still am unable to crash it. That is not strange at all. If all the 120's ran at …

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Re: Cyrix 5x86 120GP with Biostar MB8433 Version 2

Posted on 2013-07-18, 17:58

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by feipoa

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Yes, the 4 V jumper setting is for use with the trimmer on the voltage regulator. The 3.45 V setting still uses the voltage regulator, but it is fixed at 3.45 V. 5 V feeds directly from the PSU, bypassing the onboard voltage regulator. Jolaes, I was under the impression that rgart was overclocking/ …

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Re: Cyrix 5x86 120GP with Biostar MB8433 Version 2

Posted on 2013-07-18, 10:20

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by feipoa

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No. I think the only way would be to actually test the chip. The cost was not worth the risk. Did the guy ever relist this item? I have some ideas for making 2x/3x chips work at 4x and have ordered the parts, but have not been in any rush to work on it. I seem to have too many little project ideas …

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Re: DTK PKM-0033S +5V pin overheating + PS/2 mouse implementation

Posted on 2013-07-18, 09:07

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by feipoa

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I couldn't let this one rest - I decided to test whether or not enabling "PS/2 Mouse Support" in Modbin/Awdbedit is really required to have a functional PS/2 mouse port on the PS/2-capable keyboard controller. I used a 4DPS board as my test subject. The test results proved that "PS/2 Mouse Support" …

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Re: DTK PKM-0033S +5V pin overheating + PS/2 mouse implementation

Posted on 2013-07-17, 21:46

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by feipoa

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I originally used a separate inverter package and did place it in the cubbyhole under the keyboard controller, but it still requires rewiring of the existing inverter and keyboard pins. Also, with the inverter under the keyboard controller, the keyboard controller would sit about 1 mm higher. This …

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Re: Cyrix 5x86 120GP with Biostar MB8433 Version 2

Posted on 2013-07-17, 09:05

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by feipoa

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Interesting, a 5x86-120 with stepping 1, revision 3. Usually they are stepping 0, revision 5.

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Re: DTK PKM-0033S +5V pin overheating + PS/2 mouse implementation

Posted on 2013-07-17, 05:03

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by feipoa

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More photos...

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Re: DTK PKM-0033S +5V pin overheating + PS/2 mouse implementation

Posted on 2013-07-17, 05:00

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by feipoa

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Here are some photos of the final PS/2 job. I wanted to keep the mess on the underside of the motherboard. I was able to use the existing 6-pack inverter IC on the board but had to insulate pins 9 & 10 of the IC so that they do not touch the motherboard through-hole contacts. The original design was …

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Re: Cyrix 5x86 120GP with Biostar MB8433 Version 2

Posted on 2013-07-17, 04:15

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by feipoa

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WBAK, DTE, and MEM_BYP should be on by BIOS default. Maybe LINBRST is too, but it is best to test initial overclocking with LINBRST and BWRT disabled. I do not beleive LINBRST and BWRT did much to the speedsys result. Please refer to the nicely crafted charts and tables in Cyrix Register …

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Re: Cyrix 5x86 120GP with Biostar MB8433 Version 2

Posted on 2013-07-16, 22:23

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by feipoa

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If you want to run the chip stable at 133 MHz, it is best to use an IBM 5x86c. You do not really want to run these chips at more than about 3.85 V. If you are taking it up to 4 V, then you will probably damage the chip with prolonged use. Idealy, we are shooting for 3.7 V. If you are not getting the …

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Re: Cyrix 5x86 120GP with Biostar MB8433 Version 2

Posted on 2013-07-16, 13:48

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by feipoa

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Your graphics card is not running at 66 MHz - it is running at 33 MHz. That is what the HOST / PCI clock - 1:1/2 setting is for, to devide the FSB in half for the PCI clock. Try testing with a single stick of 16 MB to begin with. Leave 256 KB installed and ensure it is jumped correctly for 256 KB. …

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Re: DTK PKM-0033S +5V pin overheating + PS/2 mouse implementation

Posted on 2013-07-14, 11:34

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by feipoa

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The DTK PKM-0033S uses a SiS 496/497 chipset. There is not a single UMC chip on this board. The IRQ pins on the chipset are directly shorted to the IRQ's on the ISA slot, so I ran the wire to the ISA slot because they are both through-hole solders. Attached is an image of the circuit diagram to …

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Re: DTK PKM-0033S +5V pin overheating + PS/2 mouse implementation

Posted on 2013-07-14, 08:08

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by feipoa

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Pins 27 and 39 are wired differently for AT and PS/2 modes. I wonder if this different wiring is all that is required to set the keyboard controller into PS/2 mode. I should try disabling "enable PS/2 mouse support" and see if the PS/2 mouse still works on this DTK board; I did not try this scenario …

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Re: DTK PKM-0033S +5V pin overheating + PS/2 mouse implementation

Posted on 2013-07-13, 22:48

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by feipoa

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For me, it means that I can use one PS/2 mouse for 4 computers on my PS/2 KVM w/audio. Those KVM's with PS/2-to-serial protocal converters have lagged tracking response (they also don't have the audio feature). Also, the smoothness of the tracking of the PS/2 mouse vs. the serial on this DTK board …

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Re: DTK PKM-0033S +5V pin overheating + PS/2 mouse implementation

Posted on 2013-07-13, 08:58

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by feipoa

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PS/2 SUCCESS! - I am now working on integrating the PS/2 circuit onto the motherboard in a discrete manner. Unfortunately, there is only one inverter free on the 7406 so I'll need to use a second 7406 inverter package - EDIT, actually, you can cut the pins off the onboard one and use a single …

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Re: DTK PKM-0033S +5V pin overheating + PS/2 mouse implementation

Posted on 2013-07-13, 08:03

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by feipoa

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Here are the HEX values for the 4DPS BIOS, with native PS/2 support: 4dPS-v1.72 410h: 75 47 7C 04 EB 49 E9 55 92 EA 8C 8E 68 3D C6 E2 The original DTK BIOS w/out PS/2 support is: DTK-origl 410h: 44 88 6A 13 BA 38 3c 02 57 26 B6 11 0f 41 89 3D The DTK BIOS using Modbin to "enable PS/2 mouse support" …

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