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First post, by Svenne

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Yes, I've finally gotten my first retro machine. I'm actually posting this from it. It's my uncles old NetworkData Sienna P-133. Specs as follow:
CPU: Intel Pentium 133
Motherboard: Unknown
RAM: 32 MB 60ns(wat?)
Graphics card: GrafixMax 400 (Windows 98 detects it as a Tseng Labs ET6000/6100)
HDDs: Maxtor 80 GB (BIOS only detects 8 GB 🙁 ) + Western Digital Caviar 1.2 GB (disconnected)
Sound: ESS ES1868 AudioDrive PnP.
Network Card: EDiMAX Wireless 802.11 b/g PCI adapter.
OS: Windows 98 SE swedish.
Software: Internet Explorer 6 SP1, Opera 10.01, Firefox 2, Avast! antivirus 4.8 Home edition, 7-zip 9.10 BETA x86.

To do list:
* Get more RAM.
* Update BIOS.
* Fix HDD jumper configuration.
* Get DOS drivers for soundcard.
* Get new(er) CD-ROM drive that can read CD-RW discs.
* Overclock CPU (maybe)

Please tell me what you think about it 😎

EDIT: Pictures finally here!
http://s719.photobucket.com/albums/ww193/Sven … /Sienna%20P133/

Last edited by Svenne on 2010-02-25, 19:41. Edited 2 times in total.

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Reply 3 of 59, by WolverineDK

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Svenne: It makes sense not fooling around with that cpu, but it really does sounds like a great machine. If you can get it working with the upgrades on the other fronts.

Reply 4 of 59, by chootastic

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98 on a 133? I'd have thought that'd be pretty slow. 98 was slow enough on systems built for it!

Sounds like a good system though. I was just never that keen on the early pentiums. Give me a K5 any day!

Reply 5 of 59, by Svenne

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I need Windows 98 in order to access the internet; the network card doesn't support Windows 95, nor NT 4.0. The main problem is the lack of RAM: the HDD is paging constantly.

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Reply 6 of 59, by Svenne

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Pictures now in main post.
Btw, does anyone here have DOS drivers for the ESS card? I can't seem to find them.

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Reply 7 of 59, by Amigaz

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Looks nice, Asus motherboard

Talk about obscure swedish bult PC, 🤣

*Made in the Swedish bush* 😁

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Reply 8 of 59, by Svenne

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Thanks 😀
Btw, does anyone know what the pins on the graphics card is for? Extra memory or SLI mode?

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Reply 9 of 59, by Amigaz

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Svenne wrote:

Thanks 😀
Btw, does anyone know what the pins on the graphics card is for? Extra memory or SLI mode?

Many graphics has had this "feature" connector...mostly nothing was released for it but probably it was made for an mpeg decoder or something

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Reply 11 of 59, by keropi

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yeah that connector is useful with hardware mpeg decoders and similar video devices, in fact it allows them to write directly to the vram without going through the pc's bus and display images/video with an overlay technique

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Reply 12 of 59, by leileilol

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chootastic wrote:

98 on a 133? I'd have thought that'd be pretty slow. 98 was slow enough on systems built for it!

98 will run fine even on 32mb, I know because I have it going smoothly on my 486 just okay. If there's a desperate performance situation, there's always 98lite w/ Win95 shell anyway, though doing that would kill support for some later apps that rely on activex/mshtml

You can try Offbyone for a browser if you want snappy browsing performance.

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Reply 13 of 59, by bushwack

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Nice rig, but you have so many more slots to fill. 🤣

If it was me and running Win98, I would go find a Pentium 200 or 233 MMX and drop in if if the mobo supports it. Dont forget a heatsink/fan if you overclock or get a new CPU.

Reply 14 of 59, by prophase_j

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That motherboard is a socket 5. You can tell that from it's use of SIMMS, instead of DIMMS. So the 133mhz is going to be the max, unless you find a Pentium MMX Overdrive, then you can get to 200mhz.

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Reply 15 of 59, by bushwack

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prophase_j wrote:

That motherboard is a socket 5. You can tell that from it's use of SIMMS, instead of DIMMS. So the 133mhz is going to be the max, unless you find a Pentium MMX Overdrive, then you can get to 200mhz.

Could possibly be a early or budget socket 7. I have seen those with only SIMMS.

Reply 16 of 59, by prophase_j

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I guess I have seen Socket 7's with both, but never just SIMMs. I just noticed there is a CoAST slot, to add L2 cache. I'm sticking to it being a Socket 5 😀 So there is another opportunity for an upgrade.

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Reply 17 of 59, by Amigaz

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prophase_j wrote:

I guess I have seen Socket 7's with both, but never just SIMMs. I just noticed there is a CoAST slot, to add L2 cache. I'm sticking to it being a Socket 5 😀 So there is another opportunity for an upgrade.

Why not look up the facts "chaps"? 😉

ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/sock7/430hx/xp … p55t2p4-300.pdf

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Reply 18 of 59, by Svenne

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Just checked with CPU-Z for Windows 98, it's a socket 5.
@leileilol: Microsoft recommends that you have 64 mb. 32 mb is also barely enough to run Avast.

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Reply 19 of 59, by Amigaz

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Svenne wrote:

Just checked with CPU-Z for Windows 98, it's a socket 5.
@leileilol: Microsoft recommends that you have 64 mb. 32 mb is also barely enough to run Avast.

The CPU might be a socket 5 cpu but the socket is a socket 7

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