Yeah well, name a company that still puts out DOS gaming machines in the commercial market.

Gog, scumvm

those aren't machines.

Good luck finding something like that.

Vogons wrote:

Emulation may still be illegal if there's a commercial interest, stolen code or not. Take Connectix VGS for example.

Except that the PC was developed as an open standard.

Vogons wrote:

That's why I used "may still be" rather than "is", and more importantly, don't forget Sony actually won (at some point) with injunction and all. It wasn't till Connectix was already fried that they were actually granted the right to continue developing and selling VGS, and that was over a decade ago, when piracy wasn't as much as problem as it is today so laws tended to be a lil more relaxed on the subject. Not a single copyright problem with DosBox as far as I know, but emulation in general can be a slippery slope.

So Sony did not win after all... Sure anybody can sue anybody over anything, that doesn't make anything illegal. It's unfortunate when someone like Sony sues you but even today they rather settle their big beef with Geohot outside of court than risk a lengthy battle in court...

Can someone please close this stupid thread?

Dominus wrote:

Vogons wrote:

That's why I used "may still be" rather than "is", and more importantly, don't forget Sony actually won (at some point) with injunction and all. It wasn't till Connectix was already fried that they were actually granted the right to continue developing and selling VGS, and that was over a decade ago, when piracy wasn't as much as problem as it is today so laws tended to be a lil more relaxed on the subject. Not a single copyright problem with DosBox as far as I know, but emulation in general can be a slippery slope.

So Sony did not win after all... Sure anybody can sue anybody over anything, that doesn't make anything illegal. It's unfortunate when someone like Sony sues you but even today they rather settle their big beef with Geohot outside of court than risk a lengthy battle in court...

Action was in fact taken against Connectix and they lost money to that, it didn't just die off at the "suing" stage. Bottom line, it's mostly safe, but you never know when something's going to come back and bite you in the ass. You can't take enough precautions.

dosquest wrote:

Gog, scumvm

Gog uses Dosbox...

Vogons wrote:

Dominus wrote:

Vogons wrote:

That's why I used "may still be" rather than "is", and more importantly, don't forget Sony actually won (at some point) with injunction and all. It wasn't till Connectix was already fried that they were actually granted the right to continue developing and selling VGS, and that was over a decade ago, when piracy wasn't as much as problem as it is today so laws tended to be a lil more relaxed on the subject. Not a single copyright problem with DosBox as far as I know, but emulation in general can be a slippery slope.

So Sony did not win after all... Sure anybody can sue anybody over anything, that doesn't make anything illegal. It's unfortunate when someone like Sony sues you but even today they rather settle their big beef with Geohot outside of court than risk a lengthy battle in court...

Action was in fact taken against Connectix and they lost money to that, it didn't just die off at the "suing" stage. Bottom line, it's mostly safe, but you never know when something's going to come back and bite you in the ass. You can't take enough precautions.

Yeah I worded it wrong, the "even today" should have been just "today". That Sony sued Connectix isn't something I dispute and when someone as large as Sony sues you, you lose money, a lot of it, even if you win the case in the end. Like I said, anyone can sue anyone over anything.

bloodbat wrote:

dosquest wrote:

Gog, scumvm

Gog uses Dosbox...

....and Lucasarts (and others) have used scummvm.

If Macintosh has a program that emulates a PC so you can run windows on a mac. Ergo you can have a dos emulator. Every PC ever made had a form of dos. I wonder if Apple has to pay royalties to Microsoft because of that emulator. (The answer is) probably not because the emulator emulates the machine itself. You still have to install Windows. So many different computers had their own form of dos back in the 80s its pitiful. As long as Dosbox uses code that is Public domain or some other freeware license its totally legal. I wonder if Microsoft ever contacted the creators of Dosbox. Iwilling to bet they probably already have and haven't made a fuss so we are safe on that.

Why would MS contact Dosbox devs? You people are not reading what has been written here.

megatron-uk wrote:

bloodbat wrote:

dosquest wrote:

Gog, scumvm

Gog uses Dosbox...

....and Lucasarts (and others) have used scummvm.

When did Lucasarts use ScummVM?

Ah another derailed thread.
*closed.*