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Reply 43580 of 45448, by Cuttoon

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Solo761 wrote on 2022-03-29, 18:33:

Not much today, only ALS100+ ISA sound card for 486 that's on the menu to be built next.

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Dude, sorry, really nerdy nitpicking, but, you need to go for the non-plus!

The "plus" has an emulations of the FM synthesis "OPL3" integrated, while the card of that Youtube video has the "LSL262" clone of the real Yamaha YMF-262 chip.

The (original) ALS100 is pretty common and there are plenty of others to chose from:
http://www.amoretro.de/guides-workshops/opl2- … -und-nachbauten
(German, but transparent enough)

OK, sorry, that's a bit like spoiling a movie - the card will sound different, not worse. It just a conventional feature. Try it and compare some time, that's the fun of it 😉

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Reply 43581 of 45448, by Kahenraz

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Big Pink wrote on 2022-03-29, 18:02:

99p for this Compaq motherboard from, it appears after a lot of searches, a ProLiant ML350 G2. I was kind of hoping the bottom slot was EISA but it turns out it's for the 'Feature Board'. Dual Tualatin capable! Now if I only two Tualatin CPUs. Or even one.

Dell did something similar with their early Pentium 4 motherboards where they put the VRM module on a removable board. You'll definitely need to install one for anything to work. It could be very tricky to locate the correct module to use, as there may be many different kinds. It would be best to find a part number from someone who has a complete board already, to be absolutely sure.

Reply 43582 of 45448, by imi

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Cuttoon wrote on 2022-03-29, 20:28:

Dude, sorry, really nerdy nitpicking, but, you need to go for the non-plus!

The "plus" has an emulations of the FM synthesis "OPL3" integrated, while the card of that Youtube video has the "LSL262" clone of the real Yamaha YMF-262 chip.

nope, we had this discussion here before 😁
it clearly has the OPL clone on there in the DIP chip

see: All the truth about FM in ALS100 Plus+ cards (includes facts, tech info and tests)

Reply 43583 of 45448, by Big Pink

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-03-29, 20:29:

It would be best to find a part number from someone who has a complete board already, to be absolutely sure.

I've got the manual and it lists the part numbers. Already ordered two. There's some pricey eBay listings for the PSU - good quality photos though, so assuming the wire colours are standard I might be able to figure something out.

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Reply 43584 of 45448, by Cuttoon

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imi wrote on 2022-03-29, 20:42:
nope, we had this discussion here before :D it clearly has the OPL clone on there in the DIP chip […]
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Cuttoon wrote on 2022-03-29, 20:28:

Dude, sorry, really nerdy nitpicking, but, you need to go for the non-plus!

The "plus" has an emulations of the FM synthesis "OPL3" integrated, while the card of that Youtube video has the "LSL262" clone of the real Yamaha YMF-262 chip.

nope, we had this discussion here before 😁
it clearly has the OPL clone on there in the DIP chip

see: All the truth about FM in ALS100 Plus+ cards (includes facts, tech info and tests)

L O L W U T ?

I'll have to check that out once I'm sober and non-hungover. Think there's a slot in September.

But if correct, Solo761, I take everything back and fiercely claim the opposite.
Also, "revelation" box checked for this decade.

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Reply 43585 of 45448, by HanJammer

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-03-29, 16:40:

I shared this with a friend. That's his response at the bottom.

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4MB each 😀

Not spaceship grade - no shielding against alpha radiation, although I've had some shielded 30 pin SIMMs in my hands... (yeah, I know it was a joke but my inner nerd had to clarify this 😉 )

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Reply 43587 of 45448, by Solo761

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Cuttoon wrote on 2022-03-29, 20:28:
Dude, sorry, really nerdy nitpicking, but, you need to go for the non-plus! […]
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Dude, sorry, really nerdy nitpicking, but, you need to go for the non-plus!

The "plus" has an emulations of the FM synthesis "OPL3" integrated, while the card of that Youtube video has the "LSL262" clone of the real Yamaha YMF-262 chip.

The (original) ALS100 is pretty common and there are plenty of others to chose from:
http://www.amoretro.de/guides-workshops/opl2- … -und-nachbauten
(German, but transparent enough)

OK, sorry, that's a bit like spoiling a movie - the card will sound different, not worse. It just a conventional feature. Try it and compare some time, that's the fun of it 😉

Actually reason to get that one is that it should work OK in DOS and that it has waveblaster header because I plan to get one of those dreamblaster boards so FM systhesis was not a priority 😀.

This ALS100+ card has LS245 chip which according to the table is also OPL3 clone. I've googled a bit about it (and this model in particular) and consenus was that it's an OK card. They can in sound quality depending on PCB quality, this one is actually "MA5ASOUND GOLD" variant that shouldn't be bottom of the barrel so OK for me.

It also seems that ALS100+ chips are not that bad and different from ALS100, as one member that tested it said it's more like ALS100- because it like ALS100 but without high DMA.

All the truth about FM in ALS100 Plus+ cards (includes facts, tech info and tests)

imi wrote on 2022-03-29, 20:42:
nope, we had this discussion here before :D it clearly has the OPL clone on there in the DIP chip […]
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Cuttoon wrote on 2022-03-29, 20:28:

Dude, sorry, really nerdy nitpicking, but, you need to go for the non-plus!

The "plus" has an emulations of the FM synthesis "OPL3" integrated, while the card of that Youtube video has the "LSL262" clone of the real Yamaha YMF-262 chip.

nope, we had this discussion here before 😁
it clearly has the OPL clone on there in the DIP chip

see: All the truth about FM in ALS100 Plus+ cards (includes facts, tech info and tests)

Yup, that's the link 😁

Reply 43588 of 45448, by Joseph_Joestar

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Just got this Gainward GeForce4 Ti4200 for 10 EUR from my local classifieds:

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Condition was unknown/untested and the stock cooler was full of dust and grime. I didn't dare fire up the card in that state, so I replaced the cooler with a DeepCool v65 after putting on a fresh coat of thermal paste. At first, the card wouldn't boot, just displaying a black screen. But after thoroughly cleaning the contacts with isopropyl alcohol, it came back to life! I ran some quick tests and everything seems to be working correctly. Needless to say, I'm extremely happy with this bargain purchase.

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Reply 43589 of 45448, by appiah4

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The issue with these small ALS100(+) cards is often that they are very poorly grounded or filtered ie noisy. I actually had and sold off quite a few ovee the tears for the reason.

I still keep this 007 though. I dont remember why, maybe I thought it was more bearable?

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Reply 43590 of 45448, by TheChexWarrior

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Got this as a gift from the "Start Retro Gaming store"

In Audim, near Natanya City, Israel.

A really heavy and fun joystick.

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Reply 43591 of 45448, by BitWrangler

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Heavy tactical joystick..... hmmm which end do you hit them with? 🤣

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Reply 43593 of 45448, by Shponglefan

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TheChexWarrior wrote on 2022-03-30, 15:13:

Got this as a gift from the "Start Retro Gaming store"

In Audim, near Natanya City, Israel.

A really heavy and fun joystick.

Awesome! That looks very similar to the Suncom joystick; used to have one back in the day. I remember it being lots of fun in games like Mechwarrior and various flight sims.

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Reply 43594 of 45448, by Repo Man11

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cyclone3d wrote on 2022-02-25, 22:02:
Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-02-25, 21:47:
pentiumspeed wrote on 2022-02-25, 21:36:

You can get custom cables made for your Seasonic power supply from any good vendors including on ebay.

Cheers,

Yes, and the prices aren't too bad, but it makes me sad that the originals were likely left in the box which was later thrown out because "What would I need these for?" I've two other modular power supplies that I've ended up with either for free or for cheap that have this issue - it's an unforeseen downside to modular power supplies.

You can probably even contact Seasonic directly and order cables from them. They have super excellent customer service last time I had to contact them.

Heavy sigh. I did contact Seasonic, and they were helpful, but the news wasn't good. They still have cables available for the SS-650KM3, but I have the older SS-650KM, and not only do they not have cables for it, they told me that the pinouts are different for the KM3. So now I'm left wondering if the Ebay cables for Seasonic power supplies will even work on this particular Seasonic? As someone once quipped "The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them!"

I tried to use this PSU to test a motherboard yesterday, but the only CPU power cable I have for it is an eight pin to eight pin, and the motherboard's socket is the more usual four pin, so it wouldn't work. I then swapped in a SilverStone power supply that had the four pin CPU power cable, but no graphics card power cable. This was initially fine because I was going to use a graphics card with no external power, only it turned out that the motherboard (Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe) didn't like two of the three graphics cards I have that don't use external power, presumably because the power draw was more than the slot could provide, and it wouldn't POST, just give one long beep and three short beeps. I want to test it with my GTS250, so I'll have to swap to yet another power supply.

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Reply 43595 of 45448, by chrismeyer6

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-03-30, 18:07:
cyclone3d wrote on 2022-02-25, 22:02:
Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-02-25, 21:47:

Yes, and the prices aren't too bad, but it makes me sad that the originals were likely left in the box which was later thrown out because "What would I need these for?" I've two other modular power supplies that I've ended up with either for free or for cheap that have this issue - it's an unforeseen downside to modular power supplies.

You can probably even contact Seasonic directly and order cables from them. They have super excellent customer service last time I had to contact them.

Heavy sigh. I did contact Seasonic, and they were helpful, but the news wasn't good. They still have cables available for the SS-650KM3, but I have the older SS-650KM, and not only do they not have cables for it, they told me that the pinouts are different for the KM3. So now I'm left wondering if the Ebay cables for Seasonic power supplies will even work on this particular Seasonic? As someone once quipped "The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them!"

I tried to use this PSU to test a motherboard yesterday, but the only CPU power cable I have for it is an eight pin to eight pin, and the motherboard's socket is the more usual four pin, so it wouldn't work. I then swapped in a SilverStone power supply that had the four pin CPU power cable, but no graphics card power cable. This was initially fine because I was going to use a graphics card with no external power, only it turned out that the motherboard (Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe) didn't like two of the three graphics cards I have that don't use external power, presumably because the power draw was more than the slot could provide, and it wouldn't POST, just give one long beep and three short beeps. I want to test it with my GTS250, so I'll have to swap to yet another power supply.

Have you checked with cablemod to see if they can make cables for your PSU?

Reply 43596 of 45448, by Repo Man11

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chrismeyer6 wrote on 2022-03-30, 18:12:
Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-03-30, 18:07:
cyclone3d wrote on 2022-02-25, 22:02:

You can probably even contact Seasonic directly and order cables from them. They have super excellent customer service last time I had to contact them.

Heavy sigh. I did contact Seasonic, and they were helpful, but the news wasn't good. They still have cables available for the SS-650KM3, but I have the older SS-650KM, and not only do they not have cables for it, they told me that the pinouts are different for the KM3. So now I'm left wondering if the Ebay cables for Seasonic power supplies will even work on this particular Seasonic? As someone once quipped "The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them!"

I tried to use this PSU to test a motherboard yesterday, but the only CPU power cable I have for it is an eight pin to eight pin, and the motherboard's socket is the more usual four pin, so it wouldn't work. I then swapped in a SilverStone power supply that had the four pin CPU power cable, but no graphics card power cable. This was initially fine because I was going to use a graphics card with no external power, only it turned out that the motherboard (Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe) didn't like two of the three graphics cards I have that don't use external power, presumably because the power draw was more than the slot could provide, and it wouldn't POST, just give one long beep and three short beeps. I want to test it with my GTS250, so I'll have to swap to yet another power supply.

Have you checked with cablemod to see if they can make cables for your PSU?

Seasonic suggested I contact this place, and they just replied to my email that they have cables which will work. https://www.moddiy.com/

But as I mentioned before, I now have three different power supplies that I got for free or for cheap that have this issue, and I find it frustrating because the missing cables almost certainly were left in the original box because they weren't needed at the time, then someone threw the box away because "Why am I saving this box?"

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Reply 43598 of 45448, by cyclone3d

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After already purchasing a Compaq DeskPro 8086 motherboard a few weeks ago, what pops up for a decent price but a complete one... no kb or mouse, but I don't need those.

Seller says the PSU is dead and had pictures of the insides and it looks fairly simple so I will probably just try to fix it before replacing the internals and making an adapter.

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Reply 43599 of 45448, by andrea

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-03-30, 18:22:

Seasonic suggested I contact this place, and they just replied to my email that they have cables which will work. https://www.moddiy.com/

But as I mentioned before, I now have three different power supplies that I got for free or for cheap that have this issue, and I find it frustrating because the missing cables almost certainly were left in the original box because they weren't needed at the time, then someone threw the box away because "Why am I saving this box?"

chrismeyer6 wrote on 2022-03-30, 18:28:

I'm glad to see you found a solution. Sadly I've been in the same boat with modular power supplies

I've seen on Aliexpress several types of "Corsair" modular PSU cables going for very cheap. Even if your PSU is not a Corsair, once you know its pinout you should be able to easily repin the PSU-side molex of the modular lead to match your needs. Otherwise I fear that buying the proper model-specific cables, especially if it's a less common model or if you need more than one or two will end up costing more than an equivalent, complete, supply.