mpe wrote on 2022-07-08, 12:29:

2 ELSA Winner cards: […]
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2 ELSA Winner cards:

Winner 1000 XHR (hybrid EISA/ISA) which I had owned before, traded it and now finally replaced it again. And Winner 1000PRO Video VLB, which is somewhat less special, but still a very nice and fast VLB card.

Wow this EISA / ISA hybrid is awesome! Would be interesting to bench it on both EISA and ISA to see the performance differences.

I picked up 7 complete "old" computer towers from a guy near where I work on my way home for $60. For the price it's worth the gamble, even if just for the cases. No idea what's in any of them, but there are 4 beige boxes so I might find some gold nuggets, or at least a gem or two. The Dell should be a P2 or P3 system and the HP has a P2 sticker on it. Looking forward to a treasure hunt later on! Pictures and details to follow.

He also threw in 5 sticks of RAM, 2 EDO sticks of unknown capacity and 3 sticks of DDR.

Edit: The specimens of particular interest.

pc-sound-legacy wrote on 2022-07-08, 20:08:

mpe wrote on 2022-07-08, 12:29:

2 ELSA Winner cards: […]
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2 ELSA Winner cards:

Winner 1000 XHR (hybrid EISA/ISA) which I had owned before, traded it and now finally replaced it again. And Winner 1000PRO Video VLB, which is somewhat less special, but still a very nice and fast VLB card.

Wow this EISA / ISA hybrid is awesome! Would be interesting to bench it on both EISA and ISA to see the performance differences.

What would happen if you joined two computers together with that card?

cyclone3d wrote on 2022-07-09, 02:27:

pc-sound-legacy wrote on 2022-07-08, 20:08:

mpe wrote on 2022-07-08, 12:29:

2 ELSA Winner cards: […]
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2 ELSA Winner cards:

Winner 1000 XHR (hybrid EISA/ISA) which I had owned before, traded it and now finally replaced it again. And Winner 1000PRO Video VLB, which is somewhat less special, but still a very nice and fast VLB card.

Wow this EISA / ISA hybrid is awesome! Would be interesting to bench it on both EISA and ISA to see the performance differences.

What would happen if you joined two computers together with that card?

The same thing if you divided by zero.

Ydee wrote on 2022-07-06, 12:18:

I think it doesn't mean Golden Sample here, but GS as a model with NV42 GPU (110nm, 12pp, 5vs). The older NV41 was 130nm and used in the 6800. Both for PCI-E natively - for AGP was needed HSI bridge, natively for AGP was GPU NV40 (130nm, 16pp, 6vs).
But I could be wrong.

now i know why i couldn't get a pic of the underside? maybe the bridge is a weak sell point? but i don't mind as long as it works properly otherwise they can have it back 🤣 i will post a quote when i get a pic of the underside just for grace 😀

Brawndo wrote on 2022-07-08, 23:51:

I picked up 7 complete "old" computer towers from a guy near where I work on my way home for $60.

It would be surprising if there isn't at least 1 Sound Blaster of some kind in that lot.

Also, that HP Vectra VL looks so good!

zapbuzz wrote on 2022-07-09, 05:41:

Ydee wrote on 2022-07-06, 12:18:

I think it doesn't mean Golden Sample here, but GS as a model with NV42 GPU (110nm, 12pp, 5vs). The older NV41 was 130nm and used in the 6800. Both for PCI-E natively - for AGP was needed HSI bridge, natively for AGP was GPU NV40 (130nm, 16pp, 6vs).
But I could be wrong.

now i know why i couldn't get a pic of the underside? maybe the bridge is a weak sell point? but i don't mind as long as it works properly otherwise they can have it back 🤣 i will post a quote when i get a pic of the underside just for grace 😀

I don't want to discourage you from buying, I just corrected the marking of the "GS" label. (I once had a Golden Sample from a Gainward FX5900XT.)
The GF6800GS isn't bad, it just won't unlock pipelines - on the other hand, it has higher clocks than the older NV40 based cards where pipelines could be unlocked. And that radiator on the HSI bridge I think you can see on the picture.

2 Big towers and 1 Medium tower. 386, 486 and early Pentium machines. I bought them for a particular parts inside (nice Gigabyte GA-486VS motherboard, high end Miro sound card, and something I don't remember) so the rest I will be parting out to sale because I no longer have space for this stuff... I didn't opened them yet, so some seller pics included.

Bought three GPUs for the AGP test bench, a Riva TnT 16Mb, a GF2 MX400 64Mb and a ATI Rage Pro 32Mb, the MX400 is rather pretty as the PCB comes in Daytona Purple, I do have a 32Mb MX400 so that one will likely end up on the bench and this one replaces it.

These two are pretty standard fare but are perfect AGP test bench GPUs.

The MX 400 looks like it might be 64-bit; something worth checking out. It's also nice to see a TNT with a fan. Is that an Ultra?

Kahenraz wrote on 2022-07-09, 15:00:

The MX 400 looks like it might be 64-bit; something worth checking out. It's also nice to see a TNT with a fan. Is that an Ultra?

No idea about the TnT, Ill hit it with GPUz when I get it, and yes that MX400 is 64bit, not sure how much that will hurt the card however.

My MX 440 64-bit AGP 8x benched slower than a PCI MX 420, in my testing. It's still a curiosity, and I like anemic, yet capable accelerators. It's fun toy, to be sure. And it may be more than sufficient when paried with a slow CPU.

There's nothing wrong with it. It just has a narrower use case.

Kahenraz wrote on 2022-07-09, 15:09:

My MX 440 64-bit AGP 8x benched slower than a PCI MX 420, in my testing. It's still a curiosity, and I like anemic, yet capable accelerators. It's fun toy, to be sure. And it may be more than sufficient when paried with a slow CPU.

There's nothing wrong with it. It just has a narrower use case.

Funnily enough the seller also has a brilliant red PCB MX400 on offer too, 64Mb 128bit, but perhaps keeping the 128bit 32Mb MX400 I have in its machine might be better since the AGP test bench only runs a K6-2 300.

I love PCBs with different colouring than Black or Green, have seen a few Silver PCBs but always pass them up since usually they are dead GPUs.

I'm a big fan of the Daytona Purple PCBs as well. I think that PNY used this color a lot for a while.

I was searching for a Savage 4 Extreme and finally got this Number Nine SR9. Haven't checked clock and memory speed yet, will bench it against a no name Savage 4 soon.

pc-sound-legacy wrote on 2022-07-09, 16:54:

I was searching for a Savage 4 Extreme and finally got this Number Nine SR9. Haven't checked clock and memory speed yet, will bench it against a no name Savage 4 soon.

Seems u got the same card as me, even the memory is the same Samsung SEC. It is interesting that this card have DVI only... Dont like that they did cut the PCB under the DVI... I think this was top of the line Savage chip and the fastest one.

Still this card`s quality is very good, compared to this crap for example no name S3 card (or is prob AXLE/ Super/ Shuttle or other garbage brand.)

Number Nine on other hand went from creating their own chips, and did become an vendor such as Diamond, Creative ect..
Not that i have any idea how did the original N9 chips perform...

Todays fleamarket scrapings... I think it's a Dell FX5200 though same PCB as some 5500s, and a Radeon AIW 8500DV... I know right, again with the AIWs, I seem to have an AIW magnet stuck up my jacksey. Then also a big F.O. heatpipe cooler for my s939 X2... or maybe asstreme s754 overclockage, though I also seem to have a magnet for s754 sinks so got enough other choices. Not pictured, I also grabbed a nano n wifi thing for that Toshiba convertible of 2 weeks or so back, and some cells that might work to R&R the battery. Got that stuffs at about $10 a piece. Dude had later creative labs cards as well, but I feel unlucky with those, and they don't give me warm fuzzies much when they behave right.

Not sure if that packaging has gone really really off color or whether it started orange for the "Fire" theme (weird for a cooler) or smoked.

I just got this DiabloTek PCI Radeon 9000 64MB (V9000-P64) circa 2009 in the mail yesterday, and I discovered that it’s a complete turkey. I don’t mind the PCI bus bottleneck (in fact, I bought it for the PCI interface) but this card has lots of other short-comings.

First, DiabloTek didn’t use a desktop Radeon 9000 chip (RV250). This card actually has a Mobility Radeon 9000 (M9). That’s not really a problem given they’re basically the same GPU, but later ATI drivers won’t recognize it as a desktop card without modification because the M9 has a different PCI ID. I discovered this when the included drivers identified the card as a Mobility Radeon 9000.

Next, it seemed to run really slow so I used GPU-Z to see what was going on with this card. That’s when I got a couple of nasty surprises. DiabloTek way underclocked this GPU. The video BIOS runs this card at 180MHz on the GPU (vice 250MHz on a stock Radeon 9000) and the memory at 126MHz DDR (vice 200MHz on a normal Radeon 9000). Strangely, the card has a mixture of 200MHz and 250MHz memory chips.

Worst of all, this card uses a 64-bit data bus from the memory. This card is seriously bandwidth starved.

I managed to run Powerstrip 3.2 with the early Radeon Drivers from 2002 for a decent overclock on the GPU (up to 240MHz) and a little more from the memory (162MHz DDR) with stable results. I got about 25% improvement in benchmark performance with this overclock, but I think this card leaves a lot of performance on the table without a 128-bit bus.

If you’re in the market for a PCI Radeon 9000, I suggest staying away from these DiabloTek cards. They also sold a 128MB version which likely uses a 128-bit data bus. I suspect that card hosts a Radeon Mobility too with similar underclocks.

I got mine for a decent price compared to others on eBay, but I don’t think this card was worth what I paid for it. These cards definitely aren’t worth the $70-$100 US asking price in most auctions.

I’m going to keep my eye out for an older Radeon 9000 from another brand.

The packaging has gone off-color. I have a similar blister pack, it's a deep dark yellow and is brittle and cracking.

Kahenraz wrote on 2022-07-10, 02:29:

The packaging has gone off-color. I have a similar blister pack, it's a deep dark yellow and is brittle and cracking.

A little longer and itll turn to dust when being handled.