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Reply 53100 of 53657, by AGP4LIfe?

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Just bought this for lesss than half the original Best Buy sticker price, out of a storage unit. 😁 Took it home and tested it fully functional with all the accessories except just one of the games!
Pretty crazy the box and everything was in brand new shape! My first voodoo card!

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Reply 53101 of 53657, by Shponglefan

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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-05-30, 21:29:
Just bought this for lesss than half the original Best Buy sticker price, out of a storage unit. :D Took it home and tested it f […]
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Just bought this for lesss than half the original Best Buy sticker price, out of a storage unit. 😁 Took it home and tested it fully functional with all the accessories except just one of the games!
Pretty crazy the box and everything was in brand new shape! My first voodoo card!

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That's a heckuva find for a first Voodoo card!

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Reply 53102 of 53657, by Munx

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Munx wrote on 2024-05-26, 12:59:
Got this Banshee today for a couple of Euros. […]
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Got this Banshee today for a couple of Euros.

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Scratches and dents all over, all metal pulled, likely for recycling.

Good news is that there are no cut traces, ripped chip legs or even missing surface mount stuff. It might actually be alive and just needs a good cleaning, new heatsink and a mounting bracket.

Gave it a good cleaning and a matching heatsink. ITS ALIVE!

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Now I just need VGA shielding (got some dead cards for donors) and a bracket, which in worst case scenario I can 3D print.

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Reply 53103 of 53657, by ChrisK

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Bought this Millenium G400 for cheap. Was advertized as unknown & untested ATI card. Well...
Works fine.

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Learned there was a "Flat Panel" add-on for this card sold by Matrox:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010417075607/ht … _panel_g400.cfm

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It connects to the long single row pin header next to the VGA connector.
Did anyone ever see this part in the wild or has a better picture of it?
I wonder how much voodoo is on this card besides the SiliconImage chip...

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Reply 53104 of 53657, by gerry

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PcBytes wrote on 2024-05-30, 17:10:
'ight, since you quoted me, I figured I'd reveal the cards first. I'll put up the mainboards later tonight (hopefully). Top: […]
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'ight, since you quoted me, I figured I'd reveal the cards first. I'll put up the mainboards later tonight (hopefully).
Top:

  • Inno3d FX 5500 128MB
  • Genius CMI 8738 PCI soundcard
  • Palit TNT2 M64 32MB (that golden PCB lookin' sweet 😀 )
  • Supergrace S3 Trio 3D/2X AGP
  • Sparkle GF4 MX440-8X 64MB
  • ATI Rage LT Pro AGP

Middle:

  • Genius CMI 8738 PCI soundcard
  • "ST Labs" Geforce 2 MX
  • Sapphire Radeon 9250
  • Powercolor S3 Trio 3D AGP
  • Dell OEM adapter - laptop IDE format to standard PATA
  • a few I/O shields

Bottom row:

  • unknown MX440-8X w/ DVI
  • PCChips ATX form card w/o cable
  • ASUS USB/MIR form card
  • Sparkle 8400GS Rev II 512MB (needs a HSF 😀 )
  • Sparkle GF4 MX4000
  • PCChips ATX form card w/ cable
  • "MS" Radeon X300SE
  • ALi M5273 USB card
  • Diamond Multimedia S3 Savage 4 SDRAM
  • Winfast A340 128MB - FX5200
  • Sound Blaster Live 5.1 Digital SB0220

thats a wide ranging selection! some good cards for vintage systems too, lotsof options. I have to agree on the TNT2, looks good and always a nostalgic card as saw me through lots of 3D things back in the day and seemed (at the time) limitless in its ability to render games at acceptable framerates (well, up to around year 2000...)

Reply 53105 of 53657, by acl

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ChrisK wrote on 2024-05-31, 06:25:
Learned there was a "Flat Panel" add-on for this card sold by Matrox: https://web.archive.org/web/20010417075607/ht … _panel_g40 […]
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Learned there was a "Flat Panel" add-on for this card sold by Matrox:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010417075607/ht … _panel_g400.cfm

Best picture I could find:
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It connects to the long single row pin header next to the VGA connector.
Did anyone ever see this part in the wild or has a better picture of it?

Oh wow !
Never seen one. Seems very early for a DVI out.
The earliest card with DVI i have is a GeForce DDR but G400 came out earlier.

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Reply 53106 of 53657, by ChrisK

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Yes that might be the reason why there's non of that add-ons around. No one had use for it at that time and later when TFTs / DVI became a thing the G400 was long obsolescent.
Just for reference, here's the user guide:
https://docslib.org/doc/7966332/matrox-g400-f … ox-graphics-inc

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Original user guide pdf's here: https://web.archive.org/web/20010416232451/ht … l_g400/home.cfm

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Reply 53107 of 53657, by Kahenraz

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I have several of these for the G200 but have never been about to get them to sync to my flat panels. They take precedence over the VGA port, so I can't even get to the control panel to change what the refresh rate is to something that my LCDs would tolerate.

Has anyone managed to get the Matrox G200 flat panel add-on to work?

Reply 53108 of 53657, by MadMac_5

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I remember PC Gamer's review of the G400 (I think it was in the September 1999 issue) had mentioned that the card came with a DVI output for "...if you are rich and have a fancy flat-panel display." I would have to dig into my archives to find it, but I could have sworn that the picture they showed had the DVI connection on the back of the card near the VGA output and didn't need an adapter.

Reply 53109 of 53657, by MadMac_5

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I remember PC Gamer's review of the G400 (I think it was in the September 1999 issue) had mentioned that the card came with a DVI output for "...if you are rich and have a fancy flat-panel display." I would have to dig into my archives to find it, but I could have sworn that the picture they showed had the DVI connection on the back of the card near the VGA output and didn't need an adapter.

Reply 53110 of 53657, by Kahenraz

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acl wrote on 2024-05-30, 21:17:
I'm planning a cooler chain transplant. The XFX 8800GTX in the top left corner does not work. The 8800GTX with the zalman works […]
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I'm planning a cooler chain transplant.
The XFX 8800GTX in the top left corner does not work. The 8800GTX with the zalman works but will receive the XFX cooler. The zalman should be compatible with the Quadro Fx1000 and should (hopefully) allow me to mod it into a GeForce FX5800 Ultra (memory is rated for ultra freqs and i will add the small dissipators from the box next to it).

Below are 4 cards i received recently too
A Voodoo Rush (with the less common Macronix 2d chip). A 6MB Voodoo 1. A regular Voodoo 1. An S3 Virge.

Unfortunately the regular Voodoo 1 does not work and the Rush only works in 2d. There are missing SMDs that i replaced but nothing changed.

The 6MB Voodoo and the Virge works ok.

From my experience, the large QFP chips on these Voodoo cards tend to fail due to weakened solder joints on the legs. I would not recommend attempting to fix this without a microscope, since bridging these contacts is easy and spotting them is hard, even with a microscope.

Reply 53111 of 53657, by Ensign Nemo

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MadMac_5 wrote on 2024-05-31, 15:35:

I remember PC Gamer's review of the G400 (I think it was in the September 1999 issue) had mentioned that the card came with a DVI output for "...if you are rich and have a fancy flat-panel display." I would have to dig into my archives to find it, but I could have sworn that the picture they showed had the DVI connection on the back of the card near the VGA output and didn't need an adapter.

You can remember the details and date of a nearly 25 year old review. Most days I don't even remember what I ate for breakfast. (-:

Reply 53112 of 53657, by Kahenraz

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DVI on retro hardware is a nice thing to have. I'm pretty stoked about my Voodoo 5 5500 PCI. I was very disappointed by the G200 though. I have pretty low expectations for the G400 as well. I've always run into weird problems on my Matro cards on modern LCDs the would throw it into some unsynchronizable state, even as far as the G450, which has native DVI built-in.

Reply 53114 of 53657, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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ChrisK wrote on 2024-05-31, 06:25:
Bought this Millenium G400 for cheap. Was advertized as unknown & untested ATI card. Well... Works fine. Mil_G400_32G.jpg […]
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Bought this Millenium G400 for cheap. Was advertized as unknown & untested ATI card. Well...
Works fine.
Mil_G400_32G.jpg

Learned there was a "Flat Panel" add-on for this card sold by Matrox:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010417075607/ht … _panel_g400.cfm

Best picture I could find:
Add-On Flat Panel.jpg

It connects to the long single row pin header next to the VGA connector.
Did anyone ever see this part in the wild or has a better picture of it?
I wonder how much voodoo is on this card besides the SiliconImage chip...

Better pic & software package...

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Matro … 0_flatpanel.JPG

https://archive.org/details/matrox-g400-flat-panel

Reply 53115 of 53657, by acl

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Kahenraz wrote on 2024-05-31, 15:42:
acl wrote on 2024-05-30, 21:17:
I'm planning a cooler chain transplant. The XFX 8800GTX in the top left corner does not work. The 8800GTX with the zalman works […]
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I'm planning a cooler chain transplant.
The XFX 8800GTX in the top left corner does not work. The 8800GTX with the zalman works but will receive the XFX cooler. The zalman should be compatible with the Quadro Fx1000 and should (hopefully) allow me to mod it into a GeForce FX5800 Ultra (memory is rated for ultra freqs and i will add the small dissipators from the box next to it).

Below are 4 cards i received recently too
A Voodoo Rush (with the less common Macronix 2d chip). A 6MB Voodoo 1. A regular Voodoo 1. An S3 Virge.

Unfortunately the regular Voodoo 1 does not work and the Rush only works in 2d. There are missing SMDs that i replaced but nothing changed.

The 6MB Voodoo and the Virge works ok.

From my experience, the large QFP chips on these Voodoo cards tend to fail due to weakened solder joints on the legs. I would not recommend attempting to fix this without a microscope, since bridging these contacts is easy and spotting them is hard, even with a microscope.

I have a friend which have a microscope for that purpose. I will ask him to have a look.
Also not sure that my SMD soldering job is great.

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Reply 53116 of 53657, by Kahenraz

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If you do make the attempt, be very generous with your flux. Also, the oxidation will cause your iron to stick to the legs. Be gentle and don't pull if this happens or you might damage or possibly even tear one off.

Reply 53117 of 53657, by to3cutter

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I went on recycling facility to throw away some old pc cases...came home with my new baby...🥰

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Reply 53118 of 53657, by zuldan

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to3cutter wrote on 2024-06-01, 09:04:

I went on recycling facility to throw away some old pc cases...came home with my new baby...🥰

Curious to know why you throw them away? They cost a fortune on eBay.

Reply 53119 of 53657, by dormcat

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zuldan wrote on 2024-06-01, 09:12:
to3cutter wrote on 2024-06-01, 09:04:

I went on recycling facility to throw away some old pc cases...came home with my new baby...🥰

Curious to know why you throw them away? They cost a fortune on eBay.

Em, to3cutter threw some old cases away then brought this Voodoo home. Not every recycler knows the value of a specific PCB.

If you were talking about those cases in particular: sure they cost a lot if in mint or near new condition, but if the are in poor condition with heavy corrosion then nothing can be done. Besides, only good AT cases cost a lot on eBay; very few vintage ATX cases have the same status.

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