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Reply 11400 of 40010, by lolo799

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gdjacobs wrote:

Open that bad boy up! How hackable is it?

Does the Geode processor respond to SETMUL? Does it have the earlier south bridge or the newer AMD influenced one?

If it's not locked down, this thing might have the ingredients of a really nice DOS box.

I did open it before even turning it on, I'll make thread in system specs soon 😀

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I'd love to see some images of the software too! 😀 A quick web search didn't find anything meaningful.

Externally, I see no drive access whatsoever, but it would be interesting to see if you could install anything else on it using a proxy machine on whatever storage it uses. With an appropriate disk image of the original for backup, of course.

For some pics of BeIA, go here: Compaq IA-1, home appliance running BeIA

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Reply 11401 of 40010, by HighTreason

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@Skyscraper; I'm aware of the 8850, which is why I don't understand the purpose of this module so much. The digital audio is kind of novel though.

The thing that sucks about the MU boxes is that almost nothing made use of them. Perhaps some, to me, boring Japanese RPGs or something did, but nothing I find noteworthy. It's a shame, because the sound they make is almost unparalleled when they are set up properly. They did, however, mess up somewhere because the MU128/SW1000XG's replaced some sounds, notably the guitars, and they sounded awful compared to what was there. The original sounds appear to be present in the last couple of modules but I'm not sure they are the same Program # so they might still have broken support for existing music. Some day I'll get one and find out, just haven't had enough reason to move up from the MU90R just yet. That aside, I despise the noise the Sound Canvas makes even at its best, it sounds tinny and makes me think of some cheap toy you'd get in Toys 'R' Us, I always think of it in clown colors like those kiddie/accessibility keyboards (the textual kind) you can buy for PCs. I probably dislike it even more on top of that because I hate the original Mario Kart and its music is surely sampled from one.

Rant incoming, aimed at nobody in particular because I'm bored:
There have been far worse things than the Sound Canvas anyway. The D-series (Such as the D-50) were awful and rank as the worst synths I've ever encountered, I used a D-50 once and it broke as soon as I pressed keys and because my MT-32 died in a similar manner I can only assume they are unreliable, lot of analog traits to say they're digital synths and I don't think Roland even let the analog days go, especially given they were still making a version of the Jupiter last I checked. The Yamaha DX-Series was awful too, you kind of need one (DX7) to make a few signature sounds but even if I get one I'm still going to try and make the sound with other equipment first, the DX100/DX21/DX27 was just a horrible joke and you'll probably know what it sounds like because the technology was later used in the Sega Mega Drive, to make matters worse the DX series isn't entirely compatible with itself so patches made on one synth might not work on another one, they also tried to lock down replacement of the unreliable YM2151/2164 chips. The Access Virus synths are simply pathetic and seem only capable of making flat sine wave noises, I think even the 1920's Ondes Martenot was more varied (and I'd love one of those, they're amazing), Yamaha's CS-Series also ranks high as being awful, the internals look like a 1940s telephone exchange and they sound whiny and thin (think that music at the start of Blade Runner, but all the time), if you bought one you were an idiot, the Prophet 5 (Best) and Arp Odyssey (Ageing, but passable) were around, the only worthwhile thing they ever did with one was that 80s Dr Who opening and even that needed the help of an Arp to sound any good. There was no excuse for the CS80s wiring when you look at what else was there and it gets worse when you realize that even a 1940's Ondioline was more sophisticated inside. Lastly, the Jupiter series (That might hit a nerve with someone, oops) is one of the most awful things I have ever been near, period, poor quality and very lacking in the sound department, signature sound of the 80s? Yeah, the signature sound of the 80s that people want to forget, it can be heard in all those overplayed garbage tracks like "Don't you want me" and such, even SAW seem to have had the decency to steer clear of them, the Jupiter 8 is the one people fap to for some reason... No idea on that, but I did once piss off a Jupiter 4 owner enough that they won't talk to me anymore - I was writing a similar song to them with different, cheaper, equipment and they were supportive of it until I released it. Within 5 minutes of uploading it I found I was blocked from talking to them for no apparent reason, I was a bit confused and then annoyed at first but then I decided I was flattered, was pretty funny meeting and even exceeding the quality of their tens of thousands worth of gear with less than a £300 setup. I'm quite used to getting the cold shoulder, so I laughed at it, it happens all the time (In passing, most of the large computer-related channels on YouTube used to be regular viewers and commenters and now totally ignore me) so I'm used to things like that happening, I can only assume people are intimidated as I don't really see any other reason for such behavior. It doesn't affect me in any way, so whatever, sucks to be them.

For the record, I don't like the SID either. I love the sounds it can make, that's simply awesome, but as something to work with it is god awful, an unyielding little hell spawn. It took me two months to make a 30 second song with it and I just forgot about it after that. Still, at least that chip can sound good, so it almost makes up for it.

While I'm here - stomach has been playing up, so the server is not fixed yet. Hoping to make progress before I fall asleep again.

@lolo799; I remember when things like that were all over the place and were going to be the next big thing. With an increasing reliance on Clouds, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see similar devices pop up again in the next decade, though with some differences reflecting the changes to technology since of course.

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Reply 11402 of 40010, by zerker

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HighTreason wrote:

With an increasing reliance on Clouds, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see similar devices pop up again in the next decade, though with some differences reflecting the changes to technology since of course.

This is essentially what the Chromebooks/Chromeboxes are, no?

Reply 11403 of 40010, by HighTreason

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I had no idea of their existence, except in name, so if you say so. Evidently my suspicions were correct then, just a little ahead of time. Welcome to the 1960's, where thin clients are the future.

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Reply 11404 of 40010, by lolo799

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They were the next big thing indeed, a quote from http://www.beincorporated.com/press/pressrele … _q3results.html:

"We will continue to prudently manage our expenses as we take the actions necessary to allow us to fully participate in the Internet appliance market. Independent market research firms, including IDC, eTForecasts and Jupiter, have forecasted dramatic increases in Internet appliance shipments next year. We anticipate recognizing revenue in 2001 from shipments of BeIA-enabled Internet appliances. As our balance sheet indicates, we have more than adequate cash reserves to maintain our current level of expenditures well into 2001. In addition, the Company is considering various capital strategies for the future,'' stated Mr. Berndt

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Reply 11405 of 40010, by Skyscraper

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Yet another item from my Watch list I really had to bid on.

This is a nice cacheless 386 DX25 motherboard with FPU and some cards. I really like the look of this motherboard, another fact that cought my attention is the 8bit jumper on the Trident VGA.

The newer tomato sized 386 motherboards might be cheaper, faster and often have cache sockets but these older motherboards sold while the 386 was still high end is in another liege quality wise.

386 mainboard "386A". with cards. The seller picture.

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The Trident TVGA9000C 512KB VGA with 8 bit jumper. The sellers picture.

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A better picture from the net showing the motherboard model. I have not researched who the manufacturer is yet, perhaps someone here on Vogons knows?

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Reply 11406 of 40010, by Cyrix200+

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Skyscraper wrote:
Yet another item from my Watch list I really had to bid on. […]
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Yet another item from my Watch list I really had to bid on.

This is a nice cacheless 386 DX25 motherboard with FPU and some cards. I really like the look of this motherboard, another fact that cought my attention is the 8bit jumper on the Trident VGA.

The newer tomato sized 386 motherboards might be cheaper, faster and often have cache sockets but these older motherboards sold while the 386 was still high end is in another liege quality wise.

386 mainboard "386A". with cards. The seller picture.

The Trident TVGA9000C 512KB VGA with 8 bit jumper. The sellers picture.

A better picture from the net showing the motherboard model. I have not researched who the manufacturer is yet, perhaps someone here on Vogons knows?

Nice catch! I dream of finding something like this.

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Reply 11407 of 40010, by Skyscraper

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Cyrix200+ wrote:
Skyscraper wrote:
Yet another item from my Watch list I really had to bid on. […]
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Yet another item from my Watch list I really had to bid on.

This is a nice cacheless 386 DX25 motherboard with FPU and some cards. I really like the look of this motherboard, another fact that cought my attention is the 8bit jumper on the Trident VGA.

The newer tomato sized 386 motherboards might be cheaper, faster and often have cache sockets but these older motherboards sold while the 386 was still high end is in another liege quality wise.

386 mainboard "386A". with cards. The seller picture.

The Trident TVGA9000C 512KB VGA with 8 bit jumper. The sellers picture.

A better picture from the net showing the motherboard model. I have not researched who the manufacturer is yet, perhaps someone here on Vogons knows?

Nice catch! I dream of finding something like this.

This bundle was listed under Computers/Tablets & Networking --> Vintage Computing --> Vintage Computers. It was searchable from ebay.co.uk but it would not not have come up if you searched for "386 motherboard".

My best tip is if you want a really nice 386 motherboard for a good price is to search for "386" and nothing more under "Vintage Computing" as many items are named in German or French. If you can be bothered to skim through 2 billion ink cartridges for printers it can be worth to search the whole Computers/Tablets & Networking section. More specific searches generate items everyone else also will find and there are seldom any real deals to be had. Be vary of motherboards with 3.6V NiCd batteries as high quality boards are unfortunately not immune to corrosion, good pictures are key to be able to tell how much corrosion there is if any.

The package above set me back 40 euro + 17 euro shipping. This is not cheap at all compared to many working Tomato 386 boards with "some corrosion" but I find it a bargain considering what it is.

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I found the "386A" motherboard at stason.org, the manufacturer is... unknown 😀

http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/motherboards/U/UN … D-386-386A.html

Im going to guess it's an Advanced Computer Technology, LTD. motherboard. They have made other very similar boards like this one.

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Reply 11408 of 40010, by brassicGamer

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Already posted this in another thread but thought it warranted posting here too.

I made the kind of catch I have been dreaming of. On one of my regular searches for vaguely-named items, I found something listed as 'computer parts'. The description was no more informative but the seller's photos were. There was a VLB graphics card branded 2TheMax.

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Chipset unidentifiable from the pictures but some research hinted I could be looking at an ARK1000 or ET4000. Either would obviously have been spectacular given that I paid 10GBP for it. And sure enough...

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It's an ET4000 W32i

Now all I need is a reliable VLB board.

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Reply 11409 of 40010, by simbin

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ASUS VL/I-486SV2G
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Tsenglabs ET4000-W32i (VLB)

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Reply 11410 of 40010, by BloodyCactus

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the ED SC-D70 but the reason I have been on the lookout for this one is that its the only one with digital out and selectable 44/48kHz sampling rate..

how well does it do the 55/88 maps being they were 32khz and the D70 is 44/48khz... ?

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Reply 11411 of 40010, by Ozzuneoj

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Oh dear... I think I have a problem.

I just found this cute little old drop-in arcade box for $120 shipped...

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... When I zoomed in and saw the 3dfx logo on the back of the card, it piqued my interest. When I discovered that it is a Quantum3D Graphite system, I couldn't help myself. 😮

It's very similar to this:
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/q3d_graphite.htm

It is running "Arctic Thunder". It is apparently not working, but its basically a standard PC with some extras tacked on. From looking online it sounds like the PSU often goes in these (not a surprise since they ran all day and all night). If I can't fix it, I'll just figure out a way to use a standard one.

Either way though... a complete Quantum3D Graphite system for $120 isn't bad. 😊

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 11412 of 40010, by Cyrix200+

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brassicGamer wrote:
Already posted this in another thread but thought it warranted posting here too. ... It's an ET4000 W32i […]
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Already posted this in another thread but thought it warranted posting here too.
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It's an ET4000 W32i

Now all I need is a reliable VLB board.

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Tsenglabs ET4000-W32i (VLB)...

That's coincidence 😀 Nice finds!

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Reply 11413 of 40010, by brassicGamer

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Cyrix200+ wrote:
Would be interesting to see some benchmarks of both boards in similar systems to show up how much difference a manufacturer can […]
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brassicGamer wrote:
Already posted this in another thread but thought it warranted posting here too. ... It's an ET4000 W32i […]
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Already posted this in another thread but thought it warranted posting here too.
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It's an ET4000 W32i

Now all I need is a reliable VLB board.

Would be interesting to see some benchmarks of both boards in similar systems to show up how much difference a manufacturer can make to a chipset's performance.

and

simbin wrote:

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Tsenglabs ET4000-W32i (VLB)...

That's coincidence 😀 Nice finds!

Would be interesting to see benchmarks for both boards in similar systems to show up how a board manufacturer can affect the performance of the same chipset

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Reply 11414 of 40010, by Half-Saint

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Just won this thing. It was listed as 'portable sound card for laptop' 😀

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Reply 11415 of 40010, by Skyscraper

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BloodyCactus wrote:
Skyscraper wrote:

the ED SC-D70 but the reason I have been on the lookout for this one is that its the only one with digital out and selectable 44/48kHz sampling rate../quote]

how well does it do the 55/88 maps being they were 32khz and the D70 is 44/48khz... ?

Im not not really sure yet. But i do not think the sampling rate is the deciding factor. The SC-55 map of the SC-D70 sounds exactly like the one the SC-8820 uses from what I have read. The Roland Sound Canvas VA VSTi Plugin! should also sound like the ED modules?

The issue is more how good is the SC-55 map in the ED-series. It's perfect if you ask Roland, not that good if you ask Wikipedia. The information on Wikipedia is a copy paste from some old site about sound canvas modules though. From what I have read people are satisfied with using the SC-8820 for GM games.

My guess is that if you are a musician and want something composed on the SC-55 to sound exactly as you composed it the SC-8820/SC-8850/SC-D70 won't cut it but otherwise they sound fine. I will know for sue when I have got the unit and tested it.

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Reply 11416 of 40010, by brassicGamer

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Just won this thing. It was listed as 'portable sound card for laptop' 😀

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Wow! Those things never come up!

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Reply 11417 of 40010, by tikoellner

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I'm quite excited with my new motherboard that has just arrived to my office:

it's an A-Trend ATC-1452B with my favourite i486 DX2 66mhz onboard.

I'm overly impressed wit the quality I'm facing here. It seems more solid than my previous ZIDA 4DPS.

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I'll use it with my new build with:

- IBM 5x86c-100 (blue heatsink!)
- 32mb RAM (4x8)
- SOUND BLASTER AWE32 C2760 + Yamaha daughterboard (just got one on my local auction service) + SB PRO 2
- CF card + 20gb Seagate Barracuda ATA IV
- Number Nine Motion 331 (S3 Trio 64 based) 4mb;
- This AT case (seems like early 90's to me. Love the switch on the side!): 2q09fr7.jpg;
- Chicony KB-5191 mechanical keyboard ('88)

Not sure about the CRT. IBM PS/2 would be prepared.
Hope you like it.

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Reply 11418 of 40010, by seob

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PeterLI wrote:

Finally found a Philips P 3238, my childhood PC, after searching for 5+ years. 😀

Have seen that ad on marktplaats. Nice find. I'm still searching for the p2230 we had as our first dos pc.

Reply 11419 of 40010, by simbin

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brassicGamer wrote:
Cyrix200+ wrote:
Would be interesting to see some benchmarks of both boards in similar systems to show up how much difference a manufacturer can […]
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brassicGamer wrote:
Already posted this in another thread but thought it warranted posting here too. ... It's an ET4000 W32i […]
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Already posted this in another thread but thought it warranted posting here too.
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It's an ET4000 W32i

Now all I need is a reliable VLB board.

Would be interesting to see some benchmarks of both boards in similar systems to show up how much difference a manufacturer can make to a chipset's performance.

and

simbin wrote:

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Tsenglabs ET4000-W32i (VLB)...

That's coincidence 😀 Nice finds!

Would be interesting to see benchmarks for both boards in similar systems to show up how a board manufacturer can affect the performance of the same chipset

I'll post a link in my Sig to benchmarks and more info when it's all done. I'm still trying to decide what audio gear to get. 😀

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