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Reply 33123 of 52361, by liqmat

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EvieSigma wrote on 2020-03-23, 22:53:

My favorites are the Texas Instruments chips that actually printed on a full color "Microsoft Windows Compatible" logo.

Mine too. So bright and cheery.

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Reply 33124 of 52361, by blurks

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imi wrote on 2020-03-23, 20:30:

another variant of the Diamond Stealth VRAM
ATI Mach 8 Graphics Ultra, anyone know what the second port is for?
some sites say "mouse port" and it indeed looks like a bus mouse port, my Graphics Vantage also has one of those.

Yes, bus mouse port. What else should it be?

Reply 33126 of 52361, by bjwil1991

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On the plus side, it saves an ISA 16-bit or XT 8-bit slot that can be used for something else. I used a serial mouse, PS/2 mouse, and now USB. I have plenty of PS/2 and serial mice for older computers that need them and I will use a KVM switch box for those machines to use the same mouse and the same keyboard without using different mice or keyboards per machine.

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Reply 33127 of 52361, by feipoa

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vmr_ wrote on 2020-03-23, 22:09:

Will just go with this one, no words required to describe it :)

Where did you find it? Got mine from a CPU collector in 2012 or 2013.

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Reply 33128 of 52361, by Cyrix200+

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liqmat wrote on 2020-03-24, 00:46:
EvieSigma wrote on 2020-03-23, 22:53:

My favorites are the Texas Instruments chips that actually printed on a full color "Microsoft Windows Compatible" logo.

Mine too. So bright and cheery.

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Lovely 😀 This is mine:

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Reply 33129 of 52361, by appiah4

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vmr_ wrote on 2020-03-23, 22:09:

Will just go with this one, no words required to describe it 😀

Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

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Reply 33130 of 52361, by vmr_

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feipoa wrote on 2020-03-24, 06:16:
vmr_ wrote on 2020-03-23, 22:09:

Will just go with this one, no words required to describe it 😀

Where did you find it? Got mine from a CPU collector in 2012 or 2013.

Took me a while to find it. Similar approach, from a CPU collector.

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Reply 33131 of 52361, by feipoa

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vmr_ wrote on 2020-03-24, 08:07:
feipoa wrote on 2020-03-24, 06:16:
vmr_ wrote on 2020-03-23, 22:09:

Will just go with this one, no words required to describe it :)

Where did you find it? Got mine from a CPU collector in 2012 or 2013.

Took me a while to find it. Similar approach, from a CPU collector.

Ahh, looking at your photo a bit closer now, I know exactly where your chip came from. That chip was once sitting on my desk once upon a time. I had borrowed it for the 686 benchmarks, so at least it has been tested. Here's the photo I took of it. The scratches line up.

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EDIT: And here's the K5-PR200 I ended up with:

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Reply 33132 of 52361, by ShovelKnight

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Gigabyte GA-6BXC rev 2.0

Pentium III Coppermine 700 (7x100)

The CPU heatsink has no fan, but there’s a thermo sensor with a 3-pin JST connector glued to it.

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Reply 33133 of 52361, by liqmat

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Cyrix200+ wrote on 2020-03-24, 07:03:

Lovely 😀 This is mine:

Oh, I don't own one, I just admire the pretty colors from afar. I am up to my neck in vintage hardware and trying to downsize. Of course, now all plans are on hold with this nasty little thing infecting the world.

Reply 33134 of 52361, by auron

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mpe wrote on 2020-03-22, 18:19:

There are several different versions of Premiere/PCI (which is the official name of "Batman" or Batman's Revenge). I believe the earlier ones are Batman and later Batman's Revenge. Just not sure when to draw the line.

for the original '93 batman boards, the designation in the manual is actually "Classic/PCI", and there's batman's revenge boards with or without the voltage regulator, while the batman boards even lacked solder points for that. this is also where the manual doesn't quite make sense at first, as it claims that the regulator is needed for reliable 66mhz operation, while the original batman boards never had the regulator and still supported 66mhz. incidentally that regulator also comes with extremely loud coil whine and is probably only of benefit if the PSU has some sub-5V fluctuation that would otherwise lead to instability. i think people on here claimed to run 66mhz just fine on boards without it, however.

Reply 33135 of 52361, by vmr_

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auron wrote on 2020-03-24, 16:02:
mpe wrote on 2020-03-22, 18:19:

There are several different versions of Premiere/PCI (which is the official name of "Batman" or Batman's Revenge). I believe the earlier ones are Batman and later Batman's Revenge. Just not sure when to draw the line.

for the original '93 batman boards, the designation in the manual is actually "Classic/PCI", and there's batman's revenge boards with or without the voltage regulator, while the batman boards even lacked solder points for that. this is also where the manual doesn't quite make sense at first, as it claims that the regulator is needed for reliable 66mhz operation, while the original batman boards never had the regulator and still supported 66mhz. incidentally that regulator also comes with extremely loud coil whine and is probably only of benefit if the PSU has some sub-5V fluctuation that would otherwise lead to instability. i think people on here claimed to run 66mhz just fine on boards without it, however.

@auron - any photos of the real Batman mobo?

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Reply 33136 of 52361, by vmr_

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feipoa wrote on 2020-03-24, 08:19:
Ahh, looking at your photo a bit closer now, I know exactly where your chip came from. That chip was once sitting on my desk on […]
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Ahh, looking at your photo a bit closer now, I know exactly where your chip came from. That chip was once sitting on my desk once upon a time. I had borrowed it for the 686 benchmarks, so at least it has been tested. Here's the photo I took of it. The scratches line up.
AMD_K5_200_1.jpg

EDIT: And here's the K5-PR200 I ended up with:
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Thanks, will test it shortly. Your one looks in better shape, realy nice.

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S8 & PPro 200 | SS7 FW 5VGF & Asus P5A & AOpen AX59PRO K6-III+ 550MHz
Asus K7M Athlon 1Ghz GDF | Abit SH6 Pentium III 1GHz SL4KL...

Reply 33137 of 52361, by auron

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this should be it: https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/upload … ntel-Batman.jpg

plenty of little differences like the lack of vrm solder points, rtc being right next to psu connector, and no cap inside the cpu socket. i think the batman's revenge has to be by far the most common socket 4 board as prices probably started to go down by mid-1994 or so.

Reply 33138 of 52361, by mpe

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auron wrote on 2020-03-24, 16:02:

for the original '93 batman boards, the designation in the manual is actually "Classic/PCI"

Interesting. Do you have any any Intel document which links the Batman codename to Classic/PCI board?

I do have a manual for Classic/PCI Pentium board, but there is no codename in it.

In late Premiere/PCI manual, Intel states that "Batman" was a codename for "Premiere/PCI Baby-AT motherboard and Expandable Desktop" product.

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Reply 33139 of 52361, by auron

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no hard proof for that, although the Classic/PCI document (april '93) that is on the net is named batman.pdf (of course, someone could have just renamed it). it also has a "BP5D60AT" codename on the first page where the B could be interpreted as batman i suppose? there's also a board schematic in there that shows a quadratic chip next to the RAM sockets, which seems to fit the picture i posted earlier. on the batman's revenge boards with VRM pads, that chip is at the edge near the pci slots instead.

as for the other bit, i interpreted that as if they are actually referring to the Classic/PCI there, as the manual for that is preliminary and that name might have been changed for that board's launch. for instance, it says that PCI IDE is not included, and the presumed batman board on the picture only has 1 IDE connector, and some unused pads for what looks like SCSI, while the batman's revenge always comes with 2 IDE ports. another way to tell would be to find out whether the batman's revenge boards with no VRM soldered on have a socket or not for the RTC; on my board with VRM, the RTC is not socketed.