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Reply 44940 of 46477, by ChrisK

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Cuttoon wrote on 2022-06-02, 20:17:
It is the 1400C for the 133 MHz FSB. Although I'd assume the 1400B was merely the very same chip set to default to 14 x 100 MHz […]
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Tetrium wrote on 2022-06-02, 17:27:
Cuttoon wrote on 2022-06-02, 07:14:
MSI K7T266 Pro-R for the usual tenner. Early "DDR" Socket 462 / Athlon motherboard with IDE RAID and AGP pro. Some random AM. Fa […]
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MSI K7T266 Pro-R for the usual tenner. Early "DDR" Socket 462 / Athlon motherboard with IDE RAID and AGP pro. Some random AM.
Fat, good looking caps. Boots just fine.
Apparently, the original VIA KT266 chipset has all kinds of funny bugs to look forward to...

This came with surprise CPU that turned out to be a surprise... Thunderbird 1400.
Nice! Especially since I have one of those since 20 years, only that I cooked it some day...
IIRC, that bugger is unlocked by nature. It readily OCed via multiplier setting in the award bios.

Is it a 1400B or a 1400C?

And yes these chips are indeed easy to cook 😒

It is the 1400C for the 133 MHz FSB.
Although I'd assume the 1400B was merely the very same chip set to default to 14 x 100 MHz on older boards...

I actually bought that one for cheap and used, in 2002 or 3 to upgrade from a prized TB 700 that I had bought with some silly dotcom startup job money back when that was cool.
Mainly because 700 @ 1000 felt sub standard by then and the obnoxious nerd in me refused to buy a CPU that bore the name of a Microsoft OS, if not officially.

"Easy to cook", well, it depends.
Just don't ever move them anywhere near a power supply without a heat sink attached.
Mere negligence can mean to accidentally hook up a "live" PSU that for some freak reason turns on before you attach the heat sink, e.g.

But, I'm still ashamed to admit, I cooked it by ignorance rather than negligence. Back then, think I wanted to check whether a certain board does POST at all or something like that.
And, I assumed it would be ok to power it up for a mere second up to the VGA bios screen.
Turns out, it's not ok. Not at all.

What can I say? I was young and reckless. Also, to my defense, the chip was retired and just had entered "obsolescence purgatory". So I did not care too much. But it was the last of the CPGA Mohicans, even back then. I should have known better! 🙁

Yes I can remember this little deathbringing noise, too. "pfffff" just one nanosecond after power on and that's it. You can't do nothing against. When you hear it it's already too late.
Happend to me once, too, when testing all my SoA CPUs. Just had the cooler lying loose on top with some gentle pressure to make contact to the die but the heatsink clips unattached to not stress the socket mounts and my fingers and the dies too much to avoid cracking. Think it was a 1 GHz Athlon.
Very poor design, just like the regular P3s w/o heatspreader. Just that they didn't need that much pressure for the heatsink which made testing a lot easier.

Reply 44941 of 46477, by maikolator

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Hello, first time posting. I came across this ALR upgrade kit for Prolinea machines. It even comes with instructions on a VHS tape!
I got blasted for posting these photos elsewhere on Vogons so this might be a more appropriate place but here it is anyway.

Now time to try and find a Prolinea machine to have an excuse to use this. And I need to find a VHS player too!

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Reply 44942 of 46477, by chrismes

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ChrisK wrote on 2022-06-03, 06:09:

Yes I can remember this little deathbringing noise, too. "pfffff" just one nanosecond after power on and that's it. You can't do nothing against. When you hear it it's already too late.

Oh come on, no need to remind people of that sound. I had forgotten all about it. I killed one of the early Durons when they came out, so the loss wasn't that bad. The heat sink was touching the raised part of the socket and didn't make proper contact with the die. Still quite a shock.

Reply 44943 of 46477, by Tetrium

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maikolator wrote on 2022-06-03, 06:29:
Hello, first time posting. I came across this ALR upgrade kit for Prolinea machines. It even comes with instructions on a VHS ta […]
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Hello, first time posting. I came across this ALR upgrade kit for Prolinea machines. It even comes with instructions on a VHS tape!
I got blasted for posting these photos elsewhere on Vogons so this might be a more appropriate place but here it is anyway.

Now time to try and find a Prolinea machine to have an excuse to use this. And I need to find a VHS player too!

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Reply 44944 of 46477, by ChrisK

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chrismes wrote on 2022-06-03, 06:58:
ChrisK wrote on 2022-06-03, 06:09:

Yes I can remember this little deathbringing noise, too. "pfffff" just one nanosecond after power on and that's it. You can't do nothing against. When you hear it it's already too late.

Oh come on, no need to remind people of that sound. I had forgotten all about it. I killed one of the early Durons when they came out, so the loss wasn't that bad. The heat sink was touching the raised part of the socket and didn't make proper contact with the die. Still quite a shock.

Sorry to bother you, but I had another incident with an already dead on arrival K6-2 on my So7 system:
After powering on (didn't know it was dead at this point) only some strange sound came from the switching regulator. After maybe two or three seconds the smell of death joined the party and I immediately switched everything off.
It turned out the smell was old flux going to work when the Power FET of the regulator began reflowing after beeing heated up by some kAmps flowing through its veins. Man, I can tell you. Thought I fu... up this board...
Ordered a replacement FET in an instant wondering how in the world I could ever replace a soldered down TO220 without damaging the rest of the board.
Luckily, after cooling down (and replacing the CPU) the board started up just like every day smiling at me and saying: THAT was ass dump, but let's have a happy day.

Ever since when testing an unknown CPU I always measure continuity from Vcore to Gnd first before powering anything on.
These are the most freaking moments in this hobby IMHO.

Reply 44945 of 46477, by imi

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Unknown_K wrote on 2022-06-03, 04:18:
Thermalwrong wrote on 2022-06-03, 02:45:

Ah, thank you Mr Gold Recycler, I hope those precious gold fingers and gold plated jumper pins bring you all the riches you desire

Well I guess you can salvage the chips at least.

they even stole the OPL though 🙁

at least the butchered one I got was only missing the chips and could be revived.

Reply 44946 of 46477, by keropi

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Just received some Wavetable Devil Adapters from Ulfenknulfen!

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excellent build quality and super-handy! now swapping wt boards per use case is an easy thing 😀
and the built-in mccake support is perfect, I will dedicate one drawer to it

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Reply 44947 of 46477, by appiah4

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Are those slide in 3.5" hdd caddies? With anwavetable header extender in them? Why so many passives on that board? What are the dipswitches for?

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Reply 44948 of 46477, by keropi

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yeah these are hdd caddies that are now repurposed for wavetable boards
there is a cable, instead of going to HDD controller it goes to your wavetable header on the soundcard
passives are for power delivery since you can chose the between wavetable or 4pin molex and switches are for volume attenuation in case it is needed
there is even a fan header with speed adjustment and the option to swap L/R via jumpers

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Reply 44949 of 46477, by appiah4

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Wow pretty cool project that went completely under my radar.. I have a Chill III adapter that makes it easy to record from multiple WT boards so I doubt I'd buy one, but it's pretty cool nonetheless.

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Reply 44950 of 46477, by kitten.may.cry

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Thermalwrong wrote on 2022-06-03, 02:45:

Ah, thank you Mr Gold Recycler, I hope those precious gold fingers and gold plated jumper pins bring you all the riches you desire

That is just sad.

Reply 44951 of 46477, by TehGuy

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finally got my hands on a GF4 Ti 4200; probably about as far as I'll really be able to (financially) get or care to get with my 98/dos machine. If it doesnt work, the MX 460 goes right back in but I'd like to install the few DX8 games I have that run on 98 on the machine opposed to skipping all the way to XP

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Reply 44952 of 46477, by Miphee

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Bought a few 775s for the collection from a junkyard salesman and there was a little surprise disguising itself as a regular Pentium D.
I'm lucky Intel didn't stamp "Extreme" on every EE CPU or this would've been expensive.
Beyond happy!

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Reply 44953 of 46477, by debs3759

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Miphee wrote on 2022-06-03, 18:02:

Bought a few 775s for the collection from a junkyard salesman and there was a little surprise disguising itself as a regular Pentium D.
I'm lucky Intel didn't stamp "Extreme" on every EE CPU or this would've been expensive.
Beyond happy!

Nice find! Have you tested it yet?

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Reply 44954 of 46477, by Nexxen

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debs3759 wrote on 2022-06-03, 22:39:
Miphee wrote on 2022-06-03, 18:02:

Bought a few 775s for the collection from a junkyard salesman and there was a little surprise disguising itself as a regular Pentium D.
I'm lucky Intel didn't stamp "Extreme" on every EE CPU or this would've been expensive.
Beyond happy!

Nice find! Have you tested it yet?

130W! For sure he has to do a "short" or face default because of electricity bill!

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Reply 44955 of 46477, by HanJammer

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Miphee wrote on 2022-06-03, 18:02:

Bought a few 775s for the collection from a junkyard salesman and there was a little surprise disguising itself as a regular Pentium D.
I'm lucky Intel didn't stamp "Extreme" on every EE CPU or this would've been expensive.
Beyond happy!

Are they really "a thing" already to be "expensive"? For me they are just obsolete largely uninteresting CPUs with no real application beside maybe some linux file servers (that's exactly what I'm using Q9550 for)... I'm pulling them from machines I'm scrapping at work all the time... 😮

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Reply 44956 of 46477, by debs3759

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HanJammer wrote on 2022-06-03, 23:35:
Miphee wrote on 2022-06-03, 18:02:

Bought a few 775s for the collection from a junkyard salesman and there was a little surprise disguising itself as a regular Pentium D.
I'm lucky Intel didn't stamp "Extreme" on every EE CPU or this would've been expensive.
Beyond happy!

Are they really "a thing" already to be "expensive"? For me they are just obsolete largely uninteresting CPUs with no real application beside maybe some linux file servers (that's exactly what I'm using Q9550 for)... I'm pulling them from machines I'm scrapping at work all the time... 😮

Some people pay good money for EE versions of anything, because they are the best chips in their families (in this case, the second best Presler Pentium, with 1066 bus)

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Reply 44958 of 46477, by Shreddoc

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HanJammer wrote on 2022-06-03, 23:35:
Miphee wrote on 2022-06-03, 18:02:

Bought a few 775s for the collection from a junkyard salesman and there was a little surprise disguising itself as a regular Pentium D.
I'm lucky Intel didn't stamp "Extreme" on every EE CPU or this would've been expensive.
Beyond happy!

Are they really "a thing" already to be "expensive"? For me they are just obsolete largely uninteresting CPUs with no real application......

Didn't the world once hold that same sentiment, about most things which eventually became a rare or desirable antiquity, years or decades later? I think that people who are collecting P4 now, are doing so in the "down cycle", while they are indeed seen as cheap and not desirable. Which, in the longer term scheme of things (for traders and collectors), may not be the silliest strategy.

But personally! (on the other hand!) - P4s and similar generations aren't going to ever hold interest for me, because I don't have important personal nostalgia to them or the software they run, and never will. I didn't even bother to use them much when they were popular, so I'm certainly not going to yearn to do so later in life!

But I guess the point is, that those who were kids and teens growing up with P4s, will in time come to see them exactly as WE (the older generation) look at 486s - important personal nostalgia made rare by the attrition of decades.

Reply 44959 of 46477, by BetaC

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I'm happy to say I now own a Beige Beast that beats my LC II in raw performance despite being three years older.

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