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Bought these (retro) hardware today

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Reply 6743 of 52969, by Blurredman

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philscomputerlab wrote:

Look at you 😀

Dangling cheap prices in front of all of us...

🤣 🤣 🤣

Always was intruiged as to the real life performance boost of the 5500 and even 6000's. I mean, a 3000 can play quake 3 comfortably, and as long as you can play something comfortably that's all I ever wanted. 😈

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Reply 6744 of 52969, by mwdmeyer

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Quake 3 Demo 1: 1280x1024, Lightmap, High, Bilinear, 16bit Colour.

Voodoo 3 3000 AGP: 26FPS
Voodoo 5 5500 AGP: 70FPS

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Reply 6745 of 52969, by sliderider

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Evert wrote:
Bought this Voodoo 5 5500 for $99 + $40 shipping. I paid way too much, but I really wanted one. […]
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Bought this Voodoo 5 5500 for $99 + $40 shipping. I paid way too much, but I really wanted one.

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$139 is in line with current trends, though unless the card is crossing an ocean to get to you, $40 is too much for shipping. This is the reason why I always look at how much the seller is charging for shipping before I pull the trigger on a low BIN price or make a bid. I always make sure my bid + the shipping charge doesn't exceed the value that I place on that item UNLESS it's an item that I may never see for sale again for a very long time. Loose Voodoo 5 cards are still common enough that you shouldn't have to overpay to get one.

Reply 6747 of 52969, by soviet conscript

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I've always been oddly lucky with finding v5's. Found a boxed one for $3 at a flea market, one for $25 on Craigslist and once I ordered a replacement fan for one online for $5 and the guy sent me an entire v5 card.

Reply 6749 of 52969, by idspispopd

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mwdmeyer wrote:

Quake 3 Demo 1: 1280x1024, Lightmap, High, Bilinear, 16bit Colour.

Voodoo 3 3000 AGP: 26FPS
Voodoo 5 5500 AGP: 70FPS

Theoretical performance of a V5 should be about 2x that of a V3 3000. In this case I suppose the V3 suffers from texture thrashing since nearly half of it's memory is already used for frame buffer + z-buffer. I guess in lower resolutions the relative difference will be closer to 2x.

Oh, and of course Q3 is not a good reason to get a V5, a GF2 should beat it.

Reply 6751 of 52969, by mwdmeyer

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idspispopd wrote:
mwdmeyer wrote:

Quake 3 Demo 1: 1280x1024, Lightmap, High, Bilinear, 16bit Colour.

Voodoo 3 3000 AGP: 26FPS
Voodoo 5 5500 AGP: 70FPS

Theoretical performance of a V5 should be about 2x that of a V3 3000. In this case I suppose the V3 suffers from texture thrashing since nearly half of it's memory is already used for frame buffer + z-buffer. I guess in lower resolutions the relative difference will be closer to 2x.

Oh, and of course Q3 is not a good reason to get a V5, a GF2 should beat it.

Yeah I don't know, all my personal testing has shown that a V4 4500 is consistently faster than a V3 3000 (although not a huge amount), even in lower resolutions (3dmark 2000 not so much).

I've got a lot of my results here:
http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/3dfx_Benchmarks

Q3 is probably not the best benchmark I agree, 3dmark is pretty poor on 3dfx cards as well. But they are good for the time period and very common.

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Reply 6752 of 52969, by sliderider

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Evert wrote:

Well, I already paid for it, and $40 for shipping to South Africa is actually quite normal.

Well, coming from Europe, Australia, or the Americas to South Africa I can see the shipping being high. Even with the high shipping, though, the total amount paid is still in line with what they have been known to sell for even being shipped a shorter distance.

Reply 6753 of 52969, by PhilsComputerLab

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I've done a few benchmarks that compare all these cards at various resolutions:

http://www.philscomputerlab.com/3dfx-voodoo-s … ut-project.html

Having a 1920 x 1200 monitor and played a few games at 1600 x 1200, even the V5 is not fast enough for this resolution. Another issue is that the GUI / HUD elements become tiny.

So for actual gaming, I prefer the V3 3500. I have a few of these, the V5 is a bit too precious for me to play with. Sounds silly, but... V4 is nice, but much rarer and more expensive. The V3 also has a nicely centrer image, the V4 and V5 shift the image a bit. Not a big deal on a monitor, but when capturing the V3 is easier to work with.

1024 x 768 is a good resolution for these old games. It's detailed enough, fast enough and GUI / HUD elements are easy to read. I guess that higher resolutions were more of a novelty and not many people actually used it.

The 32 bit colour mode of V4 and V5 is nice, but a performance killer and I find it hard to notice an improvement over the 22bit colour mode of V3. AA is also nice but again, too slow to be of practical use apart from older games.

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Reply 6754 of 52969, by Dreamer_of_the_past

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philscomputerlab wrote:

I've done a few benchmarks that compare all these cards at various resolutions:

http://www.philscomputerlab.com/3dfx-voodoo-s … ut-project.html

Ouch...DirectX 9

Reply 6755 of 52969, by luckybob

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I just bought one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271792162059

i wanted to buy 10 at that price, but i wont kiss a gift horse in the mouth, i'll be happy if it arrives, works, and is what it says it is.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 6756 of 52969, by PhilsComputerLab

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luckybob wrote:

I just bought one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271792162059

i wanted to buy 10 at that price, but i wont kiss a gift horse in the mouth, i'll be happy if it arrives, works, and is what it says it is.

Bought two, just in case...

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Reply 6757 of 52969, by BSA Starfire

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Just bought one too, thanks for the heads up luckybob, been after one of these for ages.
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Reply 6758 of 52969, by PhilsComputerLab

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BSA Starfire wrote:

Just bought one too, thanks for the heads up luckybob, been after one of these for ages.
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Yes, thank you for posting the link luckybob!

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Reply 6759 of 52969, by ODwilly

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luckybob wrote:

I just bought one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271792162059

i wanted to buy 10 at that price, but i wont kiss a gift horse in the mouth, i'll be happy if it arrives, works, and is what it says it is.

I picked one up as well! Not sure my motherboard even supports it but for $8 it is worth a shot.

Main pc: Asus ROG 17. R9 5900HX, RTX 3070m, 16gb ddr4 3200, 1tb NVME.
Retro PC: Soyo P4S Dragon, 3gb ddr 266, 120gb Maxtor, Geforce Fx 5950 Ultra, SB Live! 5.1