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Reply 20360 of 21729, by GigAHerZ

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2021-11-27, 10:54:
GigAHerZ wrote on 2021-11-27, 10:42:

Kinda sad to sell it - it's just beautiful machine. But by now, too old and slow for stuff i need to do...

Have you considered turning it into a highly overpowered WinXP retro rig?

From what I can see, that motherboard should still have XP drivers. And you can always dual boot with Win7 for some of the earlier games from the 2010s.

Not really. My interest ends with Pentium 1 and Windows 98 and WinXP has never excited me that much.
But you are correct, it could be a great candidate - the motherboard even has a good old PCI slot.

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!

Reply 20361 of 21729, by debs3759

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GigAHerZ wrote on 2021-11-27, 10:42:

For a moment, i consider 2013 as retro.

2013 retro? Damn, I must be getting old - 8 years seems new to me 😀

Mind you, 500 miles to my brother (he lives in a wooden shack in the Scottish Highlands) feels like a trip down the road 😀

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Reply 20362 of 21729, by pentiumspeed

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To pass time today, got into vintage watch repair hobby I was looking at one wind up stopwatch with lower jewel hole that was replaced incorrectly, so have to find another jewel with this correct hole size.

Then another stop watch, modified a junky replacement balance wheel, which is not machined correctly so it oscillated funny, so lightened up the wheel for Slava 1/10 second stopwatch by cutting most of rim off leaving two ends stubs to vibrate faster, it is parts stopwatch anyway. I have few Slava stopwatches so this is not a issue.

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Reply 20363 of 21729, by Nexxen

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debs3759 wrote on 2021-11-27, 22:06:
GigAHerZ wrote on 2021-11-27, 10:42:

For a moment, i consider 2013 as retro.

2013 retro? Damn, I must be getting old - 8 years seems new to me 😀

Mind you, 500 miles to my brother (he lives in a wooden shack in the Scottish Highlands) feels like a trip down the road 😀

I have younger than that but still have older than 8 years. Retro isn't correct IMO.
Old is better. From K8 and up, 775 too, are good to use WinXp to the max, but aren't retro platforms.

Don't tell me your brother is off the grid 😀
Would be quite opposite to you! 🤣

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Reply 20364 of 21729, by debs3759

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Nexxen wrote on 2021-11-27, 23:07:
I have younger than that but still have older than 8 years. Retro isn't correct IMO. Old is better. From K8 and up, 775 too, are […]
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debs3759 wrote on 2021-11-27, 22:06:
GigAHerZ wrote on 2021-11-27, 10:42:

For a moment, i consider 2013 as retro.

2013 retro? Damn, I must be getting old - 8 years seems new to me 😀

Mind you, 500 miles to my brother (he lives in a wooden shack in the Scottish Highlands) feels like a trip down the road 😀

I have younger than that but still have older than 8 years. Retro isn't correct IMO.
Old is better. From K8 and up, 775 too, are good to use WinXp to the max, but aren't retro platforms.

Don't tell me your brother is off the grid 😀
Would be quite opposite to you! 🤣

Yes, he's off grid. No electric or gas, heats and cooks using a wood burning stove. Definitely the opposite of me (although I do hope to go off grid where I am eventually, just can't afford the wind turbine, battery array or borehole yet, got enough solar in the summer).

See my graphics card database at www.gpuzoo.com
Constantly being worked on. Feel free to message me with any corrections or details of cards you would like me to research and add.

Reply 20366 of 21729, by Nexxen

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debs3759 wrote on 2021-11-27, 23:36:
Nexxen wrote on 2021-11-27, 23:07:
I have younger than that but still have older than 8 years. Retro isn't correct IMO. Old is better. From K8 and up, 775 too, are […]
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debs3759 wrote on 2021-11-27, 22:06:

2013 retro? Damn, I must be getting old - 8 years seems new to me 😀

Mind you, 500 miles to my brother (he lives in a wooden shack in the Scottish Highlands) feels like a trip down the road 😀

I have younger than that but still have older than 8 years. Retro isn't correct IMO.
Old is better. From K8 and up, 775 too, are good to use WinXp to the max, but aren't retro platforms.

Don't tell me your brother is off the grid 😀
Would be quite opposite to you! 🤣

Yes, he's off grid. No electric or gas, heats and cooks using a wood burning stove. Definitely the opposite of me (although I do hope to go off grid where I am eventually, just can't afford the wind turbine, battery array or borehole yet, got enough solar in the summer).

And the sister is a boss in the GPU world 😀
About gpus, what do you consider retro? Up to when?


Today I have to start cleaning a bunch of AT keyboards. Filthy as filthy can be! 🤣

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Reply 20367 of 21729, by Joakim

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Upgrading my Fujitsu Myrica ATI Rage Pro @work (I think that's what they are called). To a Quadro 2. The ATI card was original but I got wierd tearing issues in Lost Vikings.

It's nice with DVI but it was acting up a little during post. Maybe the Samsung screen does not like some resolutions through DVI.

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Reply 20368 of 21729, by appiah4

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GigAHerZ wrote on 2021-11-27, 10:42:
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For a moment, i consider 2013 as retro.

Set up my old workstation PC for sale.
Selling it in local Estonian forum, but who want's to see more pictures and specs, you can find them out here: https://foorum.hinnavaatlus.ee/viewtopic.php? … 2042&highlight=

Kinda sad to sell it - it's just beautiful machine. But by now, too old and slow for stuff i need to do...

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Come on man, couldn't you at least wipe the dust on the case? 🤣

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Reply 20369 of 21729, by BetaC

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I've given up on my serial mouse, time to try finding either a PS/2 mouse that's compatible with a generic PS/2 to serial adapter, or an actually working serial mouse.

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Reply 20370 of 21729, by HangarAte2nds!

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Spent some time the past couple days testing a recently re-found vintage Toshiba laptop (445), charging the battery and the nearly identical battery in another Toshiba. Models involved are the 430CDT and 445CDX. The 430CDT has a P120 and 16MB RAM natively, with another 16MB on a daughterboard (native RAM and expansion header visible in the backdoor shot of the 430CDT). The 445CDX has a P150MMX and 80MB RAM, which I believe is standard and non-upgradeable. The 445CDX was like the "slim and portable" of its day and had an external AC adapter instead of the internal one found in its immediate predecessor, the 430. The 5 at the end of the model number just indicates the unit came bundled with software and is otherwise the same as the 440. T means TFT. If it was a CDS, it would be dual scan. I believe the X also means some sort of active matrix but it is different than the standard TFT and they did not age well, with a bit of contrast variegation in the screen. It looks like some effect you would apply to a video to give the impression of a tired old LCD screen. The screen on the 430CDT is consistent and clear, with one solitary dead pixel. But it was also apparently last used in 2003, based on a look at the files. I got it in a lot of old office hardware from a local business last year.
I found the 445 the other day but not the external floppy or charger. So I had a charged battery from the 430CDT and popped it in the 445CDX and booted it up for a look at the filesystem. It is mostly as it was from the factory, as far as setup is concerned. While some software has been removed, all the original config files, sys files and drivers are there. It was purchased in 1998 and used regularly as recently as 2014 and has been in my family since new. I was actually the last person to do any sysadmin tasks with the machine but that was several years ago.
Both are running the original build of Windows 98. I plan to upgrade the 445 to 98SE and make the 430 a 6.11/95/3.1 machine. I tried running some stuff like Civ 3, Dragon Siege II and RC Tycoon and and it was not pleasant without the MMX extensions, 🤣. But a P150MMX with 80MB RAM and a 4MB C&T 65554 is a different matter and deserves 98SE. It won't blow your socks off but it is an honest representation of what a lot of people were gaming on in the mid-late '90s. It is a good machine for running early Windows games. The430 has the same C&T chip but with only 2MB. Both have genuine Yamaha OPL-3 sound (as in it is actually a Yamaha card) that also has 16 bit FM synth. The 445 actually has Cakewalk installed so that gives some idea of what it was capable of.
The 445 will get a CF card. I will be dumping the drives and uploading drivers and other system files. The 2GB drive in the 445 will replace the 1.2GB drive in the 430.
Ironically, in a lot of vintage junk I got recently, there was this IDE adapter to use a laptop drive in a desktop. It will come in handy because my vintage Windows 7 Dell Optiplex has an IDE header. But since I have an IDE to SATA adapter, I will probably try it in a modern PC too, just for grins.
I really just can't believe I have 2 working batteries for my vintage Toshibas. Most people report them having failed at this point. But I suspect most were treated badly and not charged for 20 years which is not the case with my batteries. They are both the same model, with slightly different suffixes and inventory control numbers but list the same capacity and are interchangeable (see pics). They both still have a useful life of well over an hour, which is awesome since they could barely do 2 hours when new. This is also BIOS adjustable and this is all assuming the unrestricted power plan. With some tweaking, it can be stretched but you won't be playing Quake like that. We are talking hard, dumb limits on performance that have no intelligent control like modern CPU power management.
Interestingly, when I opened the CD drive on the 445, I found a burned CD from 1995, CDMania 4, a pirated copy of the latest major game releases in early 1995, cracked of course. Including Hexen, Descent, Demolition Derby, Fatal Racing, SC2000, Witchaven, Tekwar, Magic Carpet, MK3, TTD, EF2000 and more. Also includes the final release of Win 3.11 for Workgroups, DOS 6.11 and a late Beta of Win95 that was nearly identical to the launch version. I used that Win95 beta through the end of the '90s. The CD-R seems to use azo dye which makes me think "archival quality optical media" is a modern scam. That, and the fact it has no rot while a ton of my (silver) CD-Rs from the early '00s do. I seem to recall this bootleg disc could be initiated from a bootdisk loading mscdex and used to install the OS similarly to the native media. The Win 95 installation was pretty much indistinguishable from the real thing.
BTW, since I only need 16MB for the 430 for what I want to do with it, the 16MB expansion board is available for purchase at a fair price to any fellow collector who is interested. i could probably also be persuaded to part with the 1.2GB HDD. Just don't ask me to sell the batteries, 🤣.

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Reply 20371 of 21729, by HangarAte2nds!

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Nexxen wrote on 2021-11-27, 23:07:
I have younger than that but still have older than 8 years. Retro isn't correct IMO. Old is better. From K8 and up, 775 too, are […]
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debs3759 wrote on 2021-11-27, 22:06:
GigAHerZ wrote on 2021-11-27, 10:42:

For a moment, i consider 2013 as retro.

2013 retro? Damn, I must be getting old - 8 years seems new to me 😀

Mind you, 500 miles to my brother (he lives in a wooden shack in the Scottish Highlands) feels like a trip down the road 😀

I have younger than that but still have older than 8 years. Retro isn't correct IMO.
Old is better. From K8 and up, 775 too, are good to use WinXp to the max, but aren't retro platforms.

Don't tell me your brother is off the grid 😀
Would be quite opposite to you! 🤣

Sorry, my retro-bros. In the computing world, retro comes a lot faster than the normal 20-30 years. Look at it mathematically. We are not talking cars here. My Apple IIe, at a mere 38 years old, is positively antique, like a Model T Ford. it will get you there... eventually. I consider my 2013 Sony Vaio laptop with a 3rd gen i7 and HD 7000 graphics to be "retro" and i was born in 1981. I drive a 2001 Jetta that is barely vintage and really only a classic because of a VR6 motor (like having a dual Pentium Pro in 1997). It also has a Power PC for a brain. Perspectives...

Reply 20372 of 21729, by appiah4

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BetaC wrote on 2021-11-28, 23:42:

I've given up on my serial mouse, time to try finding either a PS/2 mouse that's compatible with a generic PS/2 to serial adapter, or an actually working serial mouse.

Build some of there adapters by @scorp (necroware) I built four of them and they are fantastic.

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Reply 20373 of 21729, by BetaC

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appiah4 wrote on 2021-11-29, 05:14:
BetaC wrote on 2021-11-28, 23:42:

I've given up on my serial mouse, time to try finding either a PS/2 mouse that's compatible with a generic PS/2 to serial adapter, or an actually working serial mouse.

Build some of there adapters by @scorp (necroware) I built four of them and they are fantastic.

I'll definitely look in to that solution in due time. In the meantime, I just want something working enough to let me use windows 3.11 to play canyon.mid.

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Reply 20374 of 21729, by RaiderOfLostVoodoo

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I did clean 30 IDE CD/DVD drives.
Tomorrow I'll clean all my floppy drives (also around 30), now that I finally got a new can of isopropanol.

Nexxen wrote on 2021-11-27, 23:07:

Old is better. From K8 and up, 775 too, are good to use WinXp to the max, but aren't retro platforms.

Anything that can still run WinXP is retro in my opinion.
So that includes 775 + 1155.

Reply 20377 of 21729, by debs3759

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Nexxen wrote on 2021-11-28, 08:45:
debs3759 wrote on 2021-11-27, 23:36:
Nexxen wrote on 2021-11-27, 23:07:
I have younger than that but still have older than 8 years. Retro isn't correct IMO. Old is better. From K8 and up, 775 too, are […]
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I have younger than that but still have older than 8 years. Retro isn't correct IMO.
Old is better. From K8 and up, 775 too, are good to use WinXp to the max, but aren't retro platforms.

Don't tell me your brother is off the grid 😀
Would be quite opposite to you! 🤣

Yes, he's off grid. No electric or gas, heats and cooks using a wood burning stove. Definitely the opposite of me (although I do hope to go off grid where I am eventually, just can't afford the wind turbine, battery array or borehole yet, got enough solar in the summer).

And the sister is a boss in the GPU world 😀
About gpus, what do you consider retro? Up to when?

Anything that doesn't have unified shaders 😀

See my graphics card database at www.gpuzoo.com
Constantly being worked on. Feel free to message me with any corrections or details of cards you would like me to research and add.

Reply 20378 of 21729, by DosFreak

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Worked on creation of XP and 2000 VMs and downloading and installation from Windows update.

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Reply 20379 of 21729, by janih

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Changed the display panel of my Libretto 100CT. It was a bit tedious and I was scared that I might break the old plastics but so far so good. Next I'll replace the original spinning disk and cmos battery for something newer 😀

The panel for this 100CT is Sharp LQ71Y03

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