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Reply 18560 of 19531, by debs3759

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PC@LIVE wrote on 2021-03-26, 20:40:

The VGA is 8MB PCI, permedia chip manufactured by 3DLabs.

Does the PowerColor card (3D labs only made the chip) have a model name and/or FCC ID on the rear? I'm guessing it's a Permedia 2, not an NT, 2V or 3? I'm adding it to the database that will soon be updated on gpuzoo.com

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Reply 18561 of 19531, by PC@LIVE

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debs3759 wrote on 2021-03-26, 21:10:
PC@LIVE wrote on 2021-03-26, 20:40:

The VGA is 8MB PCI, permedia chip manufactured by 3DLabs.

Does the PowerColor card (3D labs only made the chip) have a model name and/or FCC ID on the rear? I'm guessing it's a Permedia 2, not an NT, 2V or 3? I'm adding it to the database that will soon be updated on gpuzoo.com

Yes, you're right, the chip is from 3DLabs, while the card is from PowerColor.
I don't remember the model, but maybe it's that C3000 Ver. 2.0 written under the GPU.
I remember it is a Permedia, but I think it is the first edition so not Permedia2.
This weekend I should turn on the PC, and from the Control Panel I will be able to tell exactly what it is.

AMD 286-16 287-10 4MB HD 45MB VGA 256KB
AMD 386DX-40 Intel 387 8MB HD 81MB VGA 256KB
Cyrix 486DLC-40 IIT387-40 8MB VGA 512KB
AMD 5X86-133 16MB VGA VLB CL5428 2MB and many others
AMD K62+ 550 SOYO 5EMA+ and many others
AST Pentium Pro 200 MHz L2 256KB

Reply 18562 of 19531, by brostenen

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Googling vintage computer information, for a new and awesomme project. That is about all I can say at this point.
I can reveal, that the project is a combination of technologies, that most people would not think about.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 18563 of 19531, by Byrd

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brostenen wrote on 2021-03-26, 23:34:

Googling vintage computer information, for a new and awesomme project. That is about all I can say at this point.
I can reveal, that the project is a combination of technologies, that most people would not think about.

Wow thanks for posting I can't wait

Reply 18564 of 19531, by assasincz

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Today, I replaced my tired old oven-repaired simm-slot-replaced SB32 CT3670 for a lovely AWE32 CT3990 in my P166 setup. Fits, but only just...

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Reply 18565 of 19531, by kolderman

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assasincz wrote on 2021-03-27, 06:49:

Today, I replaced my tired old oven-repaired simm-slot-replaced SB32 CT3670 for a lovely AWE32 CT3990 in my P166 setup. Fits, but only just...

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So you give up bug free midi and clean sound and don't even get genuine OPL in return?

Reply 18566 of 19531, by assasincz

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kolderman wrote on 2021-03-27, 07:27:
assasincz wrote on 2021-03-27, 06:49:

Today, I replaced my tired old oven-repaired simm-slot-replaced SB32 CT3670 for a lovely AWE32 CT3990 in my P166 setup. Fits, but only just...

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So you give up bug free midi and clean sound and don't even get genuine OPL in return?

Yup 😁 well the CT3670 does not have a OPL on board either, and my particular one has a few repairs already (oven-baking included), so actually the CT3990 sounds bit better

Reply 18567 of 19531, by flupke11

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Preparing a second leg to my Tualatin Chipset Competition, taking into account the different remarks and adding a few outsiders to the competition.
>edit<And doing the same for S478.

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Reply 18568 of 19531, by brostenen

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Byrd wrote on 2021-03-27, 02:14:
brostenen wrote on 2021-03-26, 23:34:

Googling vintage computer information, for a new and awesomme project. That is about all I can say at this point.
I can reveal, that the project is a combination of technologies, that most people would not think about.

Wow thanks for posting I can't wait

Well.... You will know within some month's. 😀

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 18569 of 19531, by RandomStranger

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I remembered I had a Permedia 2 (Tech Source Raptor GFX) PCI and as I'm looking to benchmark some early (non ati-nvidia-3dfx) 3D accelerators and I never tried this, I thought I at least check if it works.
Turns out, my universal AGP motherboard doesn't boot with it. Tried having it alongside an AGP Millennium II, but won't post either.

I took that Raptor GFX out of a Sun server and I guess there is probably some kind of vendor lock. Or the card is just dead.
Either way I'm disappointed. Maybe later I'll try it in another system.

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Reply 18570 of 19531, by PC@LIVE

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RandomStranger wrote on 2021-03-27, 12:24:
I remembered I had a Permedia 2 (Tech Source Raptor GFX) PCI and as I'm looking to benchmark some early (non ati-nvidia-3dfx) 3D […]
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I remembered I had a Permedia 2 (Tech Source Raptor GFX) PCI and as I'm looking to benchmark some early (non ati-nvidia-3dfx) 3D accelerators and I never tried this, I thought I at least check if it works.
Turns out, my universal AGP motherboard doesn't boot with it. Tried having it alongside an AGP Millennium II, but won't post either.

I took that Raptor GFX out of a Sun server and I guess there is probably some kind of vendor lock. Or the card is just dead.
Either way I'm disappointed. Maybe later I'll try it in another system.

I wrote a few posts ago, I have a SKT7 with VGA PowerColor with Chip Permedia, it is very similar to yours, but I haven't tried it yet.
Some time ago it went to that PC, if I remember correctly it was Permedia, not Permedia2 which would be the successor.
In days I will be able to be more precise, and remove the doubt whether it is the first or the second.
The card is very similar, it has 8MB of SGRAM, and it is PCI.

AMD 286-16 287-10 4MB HD 45MB VGA 256KB
AMD 386DX-40 Intel 387 8MB HD 81MB VGA 256KB
Cyrix 486DLC-40 IIT387-40 8MB VGA 512KB
AMD 5X86-133 16MB VGA VLB CL5428 2MB and many others
AMD K62+ 550 SOYO 5EMA+ and many others
AST Pentium Pro 200 MHz L2 256KB

Reply 18571 of 19531, by liqmat

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RandomStranger wrote on 2021-03-27, 12:24:
I remembered I had a Permedia 2 (Tech Source Raptor GFX) PCI and as I'm looking to benchmark some early (non ati-nvidia-3dfx) 3D […]
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I remembered I had a Permedia 2 (Tech Source Raptor GFX) PCI and as I'm looking to benchmark some early (non ati-nvidia-3dfx) 3D accelerators and I never tried this, I thought I at least check if it works.
Turns out, my universal AGP motherboard doesn't boot with it. Tried having it alongside an AGP Millennium II, but won't post either.

I took that Raptor GFX out of a Sun server and I guess there is probably some kind of vendor lock. Or the card is just dead.
Either way I'm disappointed. Maybe later I'll try it in another system.

Don't be so sure about it being dead. For some odd reason the graphic card planets have been aligning with me lately resulting in graphic card incompatibilities. I had an ALR dual Socket 8 board that hated a NOS 1MB S3 Trio64 PCI video card regardless of what I tried. Graphic corruption everywhere. I put it into any other board and it works perfectly. Coincidentally I am now using a Permedia 2 card (Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro 8MB PCI model) in the same board without issue. It really is the first time I have ever had a S3 Trio64 card not like a board. I mean it's one of the most agreeable graphic card models I have. Then one of the ALR 6x6/Unisys Aquanta HS/6 server recipients tried a 256MB FX5200 PCI card in said server and got constant crashing/freezing. Card was fine and the server was fine they just didn't agree. Definitely give it a go on another board before giving up on it.

Reply 18572 of 19531, by RandomStranger

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liqmat wrote on 2021-03-27, 15:23:

Don't be so sure about it being dead. For some odd reason the graphic card planets have been aligning with me lately resulting in graphic card incompatibilities.

My main suspicion is still the vendor lock and that this specific Permedia 2 won't work in anything other than Sun PCs and servers.

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Reply 18573 of 19531, by liqmat

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RandomStranger wrote on 2021-03-27, 15:53:

My main suspicion is still the vendor lock and that this specific Permedia 2 won't work in anything other than Sun PCs and servers.

Look forward to hearing what your results are. Good info to know.

Reply 18574 of 19531, by megatron-uk

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Trying to track down the source of the screeching in my recently acquired Sharp X68000 Super... I've already replaced the fan in the PSU with a quiet Noctua, which reduced the fan noise significantly (bearings were shot on the original), but the PSU squeals when in use. Which is a shame, as it works perfectly and, otherwise, the system is in tip top condition. It's just the noise that's an issue:

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Every electrolytic has been replaced, but common wisdom says to up the capacitance of the two 5600uF filtering caps to 6800uF. So I'll try that.

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Reply 18575 of 19531, by liqmat

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megatron-uk wrote on 2021-03-27, 16:05:

Trying to track down the source of the screeching in my recently acquired Sharp X68000 Super... I've already replaced the fan in the PSU with a quiet Noctua, which reduced the fan noise significantly (bearings were shot on the original), but the PSU squeals when in use. Which is a shame, as it works perfectly and, otherwise, the system is in tip top condition. It's just the noise that's an issue:

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Every electrolytic has been replaced, but common wisdom says to up the capacitance of the two 5600uF filtering caps to 6800uF. So I'll try that.

Such a beautiful system to gaze upon. Very nice!

Reply 18576 of 19531, by megatron-uk

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liqmat wrote on 2021-03-27, 16:07:
megatron-uk wrote on 2021-03-27, 16:05:

Trying to track down the source of the screeching in my recently acquired Sharp X68000 Super... I've already replaced the fan in the PSU with a quiet Noctua, which reduced the fan noise significantly (bearings were shot on the original), but the PSU squeals when in use. Which is a shame, as it works perfectly and, otherwise, the system is in tip top condition. It's just the noise that's an issue:

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Every electrolytic has been replaced, but common wisdom says to up the capacitance of the two 5600uF filtering caps to 6800uF. So I'll try that.

Such a beautiful system to gaze upon. Very nice!

It has taken the purchase of THREE X68000 systems to get one in a fully working condition; the first two having spent a significant amount of time trying to resurrect (eventually getting one to the point of reliable power on, full recap and bootable... but no keyboard, mouse or joystick IO, making it unusable).

I paid "through the nose" for this one in a guaranteed working condition, and everything I have tried on it has indeed worked: video is crisp, sound is loud and clear, case plastics are virtually unmarked, both disk drives read and write okay, soft power control works... and the PSU works, but is unbearable in terms of the high pitched screeching. If the worst happens and I cannot solve the PSU noise, I'll simply replace it with a modern alternative, since the rest of the system is now known-good.

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Reply 18577 of 19531, by appiah4

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Messing around with my IBM PS/1 486 DX2-66. I just love this box, although it's more or less an off the shelf 486 in an IBM chassis. Something about it feels just right for me.

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Reply 18578 of 19531, by pentiumspeed

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Get a straw to pin point the source of noise, or a plastic or wooden chop stick and touch individual part in turn till you find the source of sound.

Back in the day when RCA and other including CTC203 chassis (this is shown printed on the back's label), was in production and in use we figured out those screech is coming from were small ferrite beads on the SMPS (power supply) diodes and transistors vibrating; easy fix was dab them with silicone RTV (clear one preferred), paying attention that glue is forced through the bead's ID hole.

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Reply 18579 of 19531, by luckybob

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paying attention that glue is forced through the bead's ID hole.

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But seriously, its the correct answer. I had a coworker that used a drop of epoxy and that worked just as well.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.