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Reply 19960 of 20193, by appiah4

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iraito wrote on 2021-09-22, 12:27:
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iraito wrote on 2021-09-22, 12:19:
I'm building my 5th PC, since the last one was an XP machine this time i went for a Win7 one: […]
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I'm building my 5th PC, since the last one was an XP machine this time i went for a Win7 one:

  • Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300
  • DDR2 dual channel 4gb 800Hz
  • hd 5750

It's pretty much me recovering old pieces i had lying around and putting them together, what i have in mind now is this, what's the most powerful GPU i could add to this build before the CPU becomes a bottleneck ?

I think a Radeon HD7770 would work quite fine with that system, I know I had one with an Athlon II X4 at the time so yeah.

Never had that but i heard many good things about it, if i remember correctly people played the witcher 3 on that GPU without any issue at release.

It's a very underrated and power efficient card that doesn't even require auxilliary power, just PCIe. It performs about as fast as an HD5850 (which was at the time of release a performance crown bearer) if memory serves.

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Reply 19961 of 20193, by BitWrangler

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iraito wrote on 2021-09-22, 12:27:
appiah4 wrote on 2021-09-22, 12:23:
iraito wrote on 2021-09-22, 12:19:
I'm building my 5th PC, since the last one was an XP machine this time i went for a Win7 one: […]
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I'm building my 5th PC, since the last one was an XP machine this time i went for a Win7 one:

  • Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300
  • DDR2 dual channel 4gb 800Hz
  • hd 5750

It's pretty much me recovering old pieces i had lying around and putting them together, what i have in mind now is this, what's the most powerful GPU i could add to this build before the CPU becomes a bottleneck ?

I think a Radeon HD7770 would work quite fine with that system, I know I had one with an Athlon II X4 at the time so yeah.

Never had that but i heard many good things about it, if i remember correctly people played the witcher 3 on that GPU without any issue at release.

With that, you're kinda getting into GPUs that aren't expensive because they're retro, they're expensive because they are still playable on the less demanding but popular stuff like fortnite, LoL, rocket league etc, and other stuff in 1080p or close resolutions. (Basically the ones you only need an "ordinary" monitor for). Plus the ongoing "GPU drought" that has yanked some of these cards back from being sold/worth under $50 in 2019 to $150+ by late 2020. So at the moment, it's probably gonna be what you can find a good deal on.

I was reading yesterday that top end GPu prices had rebounded after a slight slump, so guess it's gonna be a while longer until things get sane. The price of the wafers going up is meant to be something to do with it too. (Other areas of semiconductor industry were in "drought" also so probably quite a surge in demand on fabs and materials as everything plays catchup) You can find the odd one or two better deals, they get snapped up, but it seems in general everything performing around or a little better than a 1030GT is gonna stay north of $100 for another year.

2017: Basement full of ancient PC stuff, starting to go through it. 2021: Still starting, heh, many setbacks. So what's this BitWrangler guy's deal ??? >>> Taming the pile, specs to target?

Reply 19962 of 20193, by iraito

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BitWrangler wrote on 2021-09-22, 13:35:
iraito wrote on 2021-09-22, 12:27:
appiah4 wrote on 2021-09-22, 12:23:

I think a Radeon HD7770 would work quite fine with that system, I know I had one with an Athlon II X4 at the time so yeah.

Never had that but i heard many good things about it, if i remember correctly people played the witcher 3 on that GPU without any issue at release.

With that, you're kinda getting into GPUs that aren't expensive because they're retro, they're expensive because they are still playable on the less demanding but popular stuff like fortnite, LoL, rocket league etc, and other stuff in 1080p or close resolutions. (Basically the ones you only need an "ordinary" monitor for). Plus the ongoing "GPU drought" that has yanked some of these cards back from being sold/worth under $50 in 2019 to $150+ by late 2020. So at the moment, it's probably gonna be what you can find a good deal on.

I was reading yesterday that top end GPu prices had rebounded after a slight slump, so guess it's gonna be a while longer until things get sane. The price of the wafers going up is meant to be something to do with it too. (Other areas of semiconductor industry were in "drought" also so probably quite a surge in demand on fabs and materials as everything plays catchup) You can find the odd one or two better deals, they get snapped up, but it seems in general everything performing around or a little better than a 1030GT is gonna stay north of $100 for another year.

Oh trust me i'm not even remotely thinking of touching a still modern card in the current market, when things will get normal i might do that.

I'm happy enough that i was able to get a geforce 3 TI200 for 30€ after some back and forth this month, i really hope things will get normal at least for summer 2022 or next autumn, i'm getting ready for the next upgrade but as its now the GPU alone would cost almost like an entire PC from 5 years ago.

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Reply 19963 of 20193, by BitWrangler

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Well still modern in today's context has become upper half HD6xx0 and GF5x0 upwards, and creeping back into the HD5850s and GT460s out of desperation. 10+ year old stuff now, when 18 months ago, ppl would have been calling 2015 stuff ancient relics.

2017: Basement full of ancient PC stuff, starting to go through it. 2021: Still starting, heh, many setbacks. So what's this BitWrangler guy's deal ??? >>> Taming the pile, specs to target?

Reply 19964 of 20193, by iraito

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BitWrangler wrote on 2021-09-22, 21:23:

Well still modern in today's context has become upper half HD6xx0 and GF5x0 upwards, and creeping back into the HD5850s and GT460s out of desperation. 10+ year old stuff now, when 18 months ago, ppl would have been calling 2015 stuff ancient relics.

Damn it's kind of insane looking at it, it feels a bit as if we are in some post-apocalyptic landscape and we are scavenging for anything that works.

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Reply 19965 of 20193, by SSTV2

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iraito wrote on 2021-09-22, 21:29:

Damn it's kind of insane looking at it, it feels a bit as if we are in some post-apocalyptic landscape and we are scavenging for anything that works.

Reminded me of this.

Reply 19967 of 20193, by pentiumspeed

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Thermalwrong wrote on 2021-09-23, 00:03:

I made some special memory 😁

Could you do a new thead about this video memory modifications?

While on non-related vintage repair, I'm researched and now know which balance staff to get for this 1/10 sec lemania based 5000 series stopwatch. This was after fixed the bent hairspring and thought that I could take a good staff from one of my stopwatch movement parts hoard turned out not same part. That took awhile on google and ebay.

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Reply 19968 of 20193, by BitWrangler

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It's fairly simple, you pin your hopes of addressing the lack of memory by address shifting address pins to address the addressing problem not addressed by merely pinning the pins of the data and lower address buses together.

2017: Basement full of ancient PC stuff, starting to go through it. 2021: Still starting, heh, many setbacks. So what's this BitWrangler guy's deal ??? >>> Taming the pile, specs to target?

Reply 19969 of 20193, by Fujoshi-hime

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BitWrangler wrote on 2021-09-22, 13:35:

With that, you're kinda getting into GPUs that aren't expensive because they're retro, they're expensive because they are still playable on the less demanding but popular stuff like fortnite, LoL, rocket league etc, and other stuff in 1080p or close resolutions. (Basically the ones you only need an "ordinary" monitor for). Plus the ongoing "GPU drought" that has yanked some of these cards back from being sold/worth under $50 in 2019 to $150+ by late 2020. So at the moment, it's probably gonna be what you can find a good deal on.

I was reading yesterday that top end GPu prices had rebounded after a slight slump, so guess it's gonna be a while longer until things get sane. The price of the wafers going up is meant to be something to do with it too. (Other areas of semiconductor industry were in "drought" also so probably quite a surge in demand on fabs and materials as everything plays catchup) You can find the odd one or two better deals, they get snapped up, but it seems in general everything performing around or a little better than a 1030GT is gonna stay north of $100 for another year.

Eh, the HD 7000 series is not that bad now since HD 7000, R9 200 and R9 300 series all stopped getting driver updates from AMD a couple of months ago. I paid CAD$60 for a HD 7870 for my WinXP machine this week.

Reply 19970 of 20193, by Brawndo

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Another step further on my early 2000s recreation, got the TDK VeloCD 52x drive installed, and tied up the main PSU cable so it's hidden and out of the way. Spent a good chunk of time just looking at it and thinking about cable management as cleanly as possible. It's gonna be a chore...

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Reply 19971 of 20193, by bjwil1991

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I'm unable to see the images on my laptop for some reason.

Check that. Not appearing on any of my devices, except for my phone when I use my cellular data.

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Reply 19972 of 20193, by gerry

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Brawndo wrote on 2021-09-23, 04:33:

Another step further on my early 2000s recreation, got the TDK VeloCD 52x drive installed, and tied up the main PSU cable so it's hidden and out of the way. Spent a good chunk of time just looking at it and thinking about cable management as cleanly as possible. It's gonna be a chore...

very tidy, must admit that as long as cables don't clip fan blades i tend not to be so tidy!

Reply 19973 of 20193, by Munx

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Pulled a Pentium200 PC from storage for a Win95 install. During Windows and other installations I got some error messages about not being able to write to disc C, as well as the drive just being sluggish in general. Ran checkdisk and found this:

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OOF. When 1 appears, more will soon follow. RIP my 8GB IBM drive.

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Reply 19974 of 20193, by Thermalwrong

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pentiumspeed wrote on 2021-09-23, 00:54:
Could you do a new thead about this video memory modifications? […]
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Thermalwrong wrote on 2021-09-23, 00:03:

I made some special memory 😁

Could you do a new thead about this video memory modifications?

While on non-related vintage repair, I'm researched and now know which balance staff to get for this 1/10 sec lemania based 5000 series stopwatch. This was after fixed the bent hairspring and thought that I could take a good staff from one of my stopwatch movement parts hoard turned out not same part. That took awhile on google and ebay.

Cheers,

That's detailed in here: Upgrading Philips PCA761AW / AMD Interwave 'GuS Clone' to 1MB RAM
Most address, data and power pins are common across different memory chips on this card. They're separated by 2x extra CAS lines that I had to solder on the extra wires for 😀
Nice permanent mod, but I can't stop from considering how I'd connect up more RAM to this thing. Still trying to figure that part out, even if it won't change much.

Reply 19975 of 20193, by bjwil1991

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Munx wrote on 2021-09-23, 08:10:

Pulled a Pentium200 PC from storage for a Win95 install. During Windows and other installations I got some error messages about not being able to write to disc C, as well as the drive just being sluggish in general. Ran checkdisk and found this:P_20210922_204918.jpg
OOF. When 1 appears, more will soon follow. RIP my 8GB IBM drive.

I had random drives do that to me a few years ago. It was pretty sad that those drives died all of a sudden (they were working fine). 9 years ago, my old 80GB HDD died after the brownout occurred in my neighborhood that was in my 486 at the time and that also died. I had it plugged into a power strip at the time and wish I used my surge protector, but the board was failing anyway.

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Reply 19976 of 20193, by gerry

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Munx wrote on 2021-09-23, 08:10:

Pulled a Pentium200 PC from storage for a Win95 install. During Windows and other installations I got some error messages about not being able to write to disc C, as well as the drive just being sluggish in general. Ran checkdisk and found this:P_20210922_204918.jpg
OOF. When 1 appears, more will soon follow. RIP my 8GB IBM drive.

indeed, if no spares will you use CF or SD?

I was experimenting with CF in an IDE adapter recently, an old socket 370 motherboard seemed ok with it - maybe i'll go back and complete that project!

Reply 19977 of 20193, by digistorm

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Munx wrote on 2021-09-23, 08:10:

Pulled a Pentium200 PC from storage for a Win95 install. During Windows and other installations I got some error messages about not being able to write to disc C, as well as the drive just being sluggish in general. Ran checkdisk and found this:P_20210922_204918.jpg
OOF. When 1 appears, more will soon follow. RIP my 8GB IBM drive.

Still, I have two drives that accumulated some bad sectors and are still working fine. They have not accumulated any more bad sectors in the last couple of years. One of them is a IBM 30 GB hdd. Your mileage may vary, of course …

Reply 19978 of 20193, by bjwil1991

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digistorm wrote on 2021-09-24, 07:57:

Still, I have two drives that accumulated some bad sectors and are still working fine. They have not accumulated any more bad sectors in the last couple of years. One of them is a IBM 30 GB hdd. Your mileage may vary, of course …

I had an IBM 40GB laptop HDD that had poor performance, low fitness, and bad sectors. I was surprised that it still booted XP on that thing. Eventually put it onto a working 40GB HDD and upgraded to a 512GB SSD (mSATA to laptop IDE) by cloning the 40GB drive to the 512GB SSD. Runs faster than before and I'd use it for the GM Tech II Windows scanner, but the battery dies after 30 minutes (cells are worn).

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Reply 19979 of 20193, by Munx

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gerry wrote on 2021-09-24, 07:43:

indeed, if no spares will you use CF or SD?

Got spares, luckily. Have some CF cards and adapters too, but it's not the same w/o that old spinning HDD sound.

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The Underdog - The budget K6
The Voodoo powerhouse - The power-hungry K7
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