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Reply 21220 of 27187, by Kahenraz

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My dad gave me his old Jaz drives and disks a few years ago and asked me to recover the data from them, since they used an external SCSI interface he could no longer connect to.

Most of the disks I inserted exploded inside the drive as they tried to spin up. What had happened was the plastic housing of the disk cartridges had become brittle and the force of the platters spinning up caused them to detach and ricochet around inside. I think out of a dozen or so disks maybe one or two were recoverable.

My mom gave me a stack of Zip disks to recover as well, but they are in a box somewhere. Maybe they will explode as well?

I grew up with Zip disks and have fond memories of them. But I would be afraid to use them for anything retro that was not considered volatile. It's a shame, really. They were great technology for the time. I wish LS-120 had become a thing instead, since the drives were backwards compatible with floppy disks. In all my years of computing, I have never actually encountered an LS-120 drive in the wild.

Reply 21221 of 27187, by Kahenraz

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I needed to install a PCI card that has a fan on it next to an ISA slot with a Sound Blaser. Unfortunately, this particular Sound Blaster has a very large capacitor that interferes perfectly with the fan blades. So I removed the capacitor and added a new one that I've laid down on its side.

The original capacitor is labeled as an "SMG" series, which I think is an original Nippon Chemi-Con. I just used a cheap Chinese capacitor as a replacement. Does anyone know if there is any reason to use a more expensive cap here? I feel like even a cheap capacitor from today should be just as good or better than a good capacitor from the early 90s.

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Reply 21222 of 27187, by BitWrangler

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-03-18, 17:22:

I wish LS-120 had become a thing instead, since the drives were backwards compatible with floppy disks. In all my years of computing, I have never actually encountered an LS-120 drive in the wild.

I just got my first one a couple of weeks ago. Almost missed it, because it was installed in a generic P4 machine.

Ahh, here's the post, apparently "couple of weeks" is BitWranglerese for a month... Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

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Reply 21223 of 27187, by davidrg

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-03-18, 17:22:
My dad gave me his old Jaz drives and disks a few years ago and asked me to recover the data from them, since they used an exter […]
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My dad gave me his old Jaz drives and disks a few years ago and asked me to recover the data from them, since they used an external SCSI interface he could no longer connect to.

Most of the disks I inserted exploded inside the drive as they tried to spin up. What had happened was the plastic housing of the disk cartridges had become brittle and the force of the platters spinning up caused them to detach and ricochet around inside. I think out of a dozen or so disks maybe one or two were recoverable.

My mom gave me a stack of Zip disks to recover as well, but they are in a box somewhere. Maybe they will explode as well?

I grew up with Zip disks and have fond memories of them. But I would be afraid to use them for anything retro that was not considered volatile. It's a shame, really. They were great technology for the time. I wish LS-120 had become a thing instead, since the drives were backwards compatible with floppy disks. In all my years of computing, I have never actually encountered an LS-120 drive in the wild.

Yikes! I'll have to remember that if I do anything with my Jazz drive in the future.

LS-120 drives are kind of great. I've only ever used them for imaging floppy disks - more often than not where a regular floppy drive fails the LS-120 will read the entire disk just fine. Sadly both of my LS-120 drives are now effectively dead because there is no way to clean them in 2022. They require a special LS-120 cleaning disk which is made of unobtanium and using a regular floppy drive cleaning disk destroys the heads. Trying to clean the heads by hand will likely have the same result.

Reply 21224 of 27187, by CrFr

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CrFr wrote on 2022-03-13, 18:02:
Story continues. When I got this monitor, it was dead (power led lit, no image). I revivied it by recapping the neckboard. It di […]
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CrFr wrote on 2022-02-14, 08:57:
First 3D-printed spare part I've ever made :) Repair part for my IBM monitor control door hinge. I only replaced left side, but […]
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First 3D-printed spare part I've ever made 😀 Repair part for my IBM monitor control door hinge. I only replaced left side, but right side might need some attention too. It is cracked, but still hanging in there, so I left it alone this time.

Glued in place.
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Overview. I think the door lines up quite nicely. Gaps are even.
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Door open. I considered painting the part, but decided not to. It would just get scratched and look worse.
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Story continues. When I got this monitor, it was dead (power led lit, no image). I revivied it by recapping the neckboard. It didn't fix all the issues. Image was still brighter on the left side of the screen, but good enough for use.

I guess that calls for recapping the main board too. Back then I was happy just to get it working, and didn't bother with complete teardown to access the larger pcb. Now I started working on it. It took 26 screws to take it apart. It has 45 capacitors. I assume they are all equally bad or going bad soon, so I'm replacing them all.

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And after recapping, it was a pleasant surprise to see it still works and the annoying glow on the left side is gone. Took me two evenings to do it. Most laborous recapping I've ever done, but worth it 😀

I wasn't very optimistic this would do anything at all, because all the caps looked ok and they were all good brands (Nichicon, Rubycon etc.). Top of every capacitor was intact and flat. When removing them from the board, I noticed some of them had bursted downwards. Now this monitor has all brand new caps, and hopefully long life ahead of it.

I suspect this monitor wasn't used for very long. It was so clean inside with only minimal dust, and the tube seems like new. Assembled November 1994 in Scotland.

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Reply 21226 of 27187, by Kahenraz

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davidrg wrote on 2022-03-18, 19:42:

LS-120 drives are kind of great. I've only ever used them for imaging floppy disks - more often than not where a regular floppy drive fails the LS-120 will read the entire disk just fine. Sadly both of my LS-120 drives are now effectively dead because there is no way to clean them in 2022. They require a special LS-120 cleaning disk which is made of unobtanium and using a regular floppy drive cleaning disk destroys the heads. Trying to clean the heads by hand will likely have the same result.

Can you explain this? I would imagine that a cotton swab with some isopropyl alcohol would work just as well as on a regular floppy drive. How else could a LS-120 cleaning disk be anything special?

Reply 21227 of 27187, by chrismeyer6

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CrFr wrote on 2022-03-18, 23:53:
And after recapping, it was a pleasant surprise to see it still works and the annoying glow on the left side is gone. Took me tw […]
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CrFr wrote on 2022-03-13, 18:02:
Story continues. When I got this monitor, it was dead (power led lit, no image). I revivied it by recapping the neckboard. It di […]
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CrFr wrote on 2022-02-14, 08:57:
First 3D-printed spare part I've ever made :) Repair part for my IBM monitor control door hinge. I only replaced left side, but […]
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First 3D-printed spare part I've ever made 😀 Repair part for my IBM monitor control door hinge. I only replaced left side, but right side might need some attention too. It is cracked, but still hanging in there, so I left it alone this time.

Glued in place.
1.jpg

Overview. I think the door lines up quite nicely. Gaps are even.
2.jpg

Door open. I considered painting the part, but decided not to. It would just get scratched and look worse.
3.jpg

Story continues. When I got this monitor, it was dead (power led lit, no image). I revivied it by recapping the neckboard. It didn't fix all the issues. Image was still brighter on the left side of the screen, but good enough for use.

I guess that calls for recapping the main board too. Back then I was happy just to get it working, and didn't bother with complete teardown to access the larger pcb. Now I started working on it. It took 26 screws to take it apart. It has 45 capacitors. I assume they are all equally bad or going bad soon, so I'm replacing them all.

IMGP2168_.jpg

And after recapping, it was a pleasant surprise to see it still works and the annoying glow on the left side is gone. Took me two evenings to do it. Most laborous recapping I've ever done, but worth it 😀

I wasn't very optimistic this would do anything at all, because all the caps looked ok and they were all good brands (Nichicon, Rubycon etc.). Top of every capacitor was intact and flat. When removing them from the board, I noticed some of them had bursted downwards. Now this monitor has all brand new caps, and hopefully long life ahead of it.

I suspect this monitor wasn't used for very long. It was so clean inside with only minimal dust, and the tube seems like new. Assembled November 1994 in Scotland.

IMGP2169_.jpg

Nice job saving that monitor. From the picture it looks like it has a nice bright and crisp image.

Reply 21228 of 27187, by Shreddoc

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-03-19, 00:49:
davidrg wrote on 2022-03-18, 19:42:

LS-120 drives are kind of great. I've only ever used them for imaging floppy disks - more often than not where a regular floppy drive fails the LS-120 will read the entire disk just fine. Sadly both of my LS-120 drives are now effectively dead because there is no way to clean them in 2022. They require a special LS-120 cleaning disk which is made of unobtanium and using a regular floppy drive cleaning disk destroys the heads. Trying to clean the heads by hand will likely have the same result.

Can you explain this? I would imagine that a cotton swab with some isopropyl alcohol would work just as well as on a regular floppy drive. How else could a LS-120 cleaning disk be anything special?

The relatively high data density of an LS-120 disk (compared with a regular floppy) may mean increased risk of head misalignment caused by physical contact.

Reply 21229 of 27187, by BitWrangler

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-03-19, 00:49:
davidrg wrote on 2022-03-18, 19:42:

LS-120 drives are kind of great. I've only ever used them for imaging floppy disks - more often than not where a regular floppy drive fails the LS-120 will read the entire disk just fine. Sadly both of my LS-120 drives are now effectively dead because there is no way to clean them in 2022. They require a special LS-120 cleaning disk which is made of unobtanium and using a regular floppy drive cleaning disk destroys the heads. Trying to clean the heads by hand will likely have the same result.

Can you explain this? I would imagine that a cotton swab with some isopropyl alcohol would work just as well as on a regular floppy drive. How else could a LS-120 cleaning disk be anything special?

What I heard was that it was dry disk, no fluids permitted.

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Reply 21230 of 27187, by PcBytes

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-03-18, 17:34:

I needed to install a PCI card that has a fan on it next to an ISA slot with a Sound Blaser. Unfortunately, this particular Sound Blaster has a very large capacitor that interferes perfectly with the fan blades. So I removed the capacitor and added a new one that I've laid down on its side.

The original capacitor is labeled as an "SMG" series, which I think is an original Nippon Chemi-Con. I just used a cheap Chinese capacitor as a replacement. Does anyone know if there is any reason to use a more expensive cap here? I feel like even a cheap capacitor from today should be just as good or better than a good capacitor from the early 90s.

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I wonder, has anyone ever tried recapping one of those ISA Sound Blaster 16s with audio-grade capacitors, like Nichicon FW series? I feel like those cards have a lot of potential.

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Reply 21231 of 27187, by Kahenraz

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All of my Sound Blasters are working and none of the capacitors are bulging. There may be improvement to be had, but generally the samples they play are poor enough that I think it would be hard to tell.

Outside of DOS, I always pair this card with a PCI card for Windows, so it's never truly an issue for my use case.

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Reply 21232 of 27187, by DosFreak

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Not retro just old hardware:
Installed TrueNAS on my QNAP TS-670 Pro. (Purchased in 2015)
Replaced the USB DOM with a usb cable and a usb drive.
Added a pci-express card with 2x m.2 SSD
Now both my TS-670 and TVS-671 will be able to run TrueNAS (BSD) w/ZFS.
Still need to transfer 60+TB of data to both. Sigh.

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Reply 21233 of 27187, by EduBat

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Not sure if it count as a retro activity, or if it fits here but, here goes.
As it is well known, all modern web browsers need the CPU to support SSE2 instructions.
Sick of not being able to securely browse the web on my athlon xp (which does not have SSE2) running devuan linux, I downloaded the source code and natively compiled the latest version of seamonkey.

Reply 21234 of 27187, by waterbeesje

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Today I realised my son(almost 4 years old now) is ready for the game.

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Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 21236 of 27187, by waterbeesje

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-03-20, 19:11:

I think that's the perfect age for LucasArts and Sierra games. Lots of fun to be had there. 😀

I also loved the Putt-Putt, Oregon Trail, and Freddi Fish games.

Yeah, I'm already teaching him 😀
He's got his own win XP c2d laptop, and already is addicted to Need For Speed 2 SE! He still can't really drive, forgets to steer and does not really compete in the races... But slot mode cheat helps driving 😜

Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 21237 of 27187, by Kahenraz

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I modded my ASUS P5A with a resistor mod today.

Here are some photos. I used some double-sided tape and a strip of capton to secure it in place for soldering, then cleaned it up once I was finished.

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Reply 21238 of 27187, by Nexxen

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-03-21, 00:45:
I modded my ASUS P5A with a resistor mod today. […]
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I modded my ASUS P5A with a resistor mod today.

Here are some photos. I used some double-sided tape and a strip of capton to secure it in place for soldering, then cleaned it up once I was finished.

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Excuse my ignorance, what should this mod do?

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