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Reply 24380 of 27405, by ubiq

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BetaC wrote on 2023-05-24, 21:29:

Today I managed to plug everything in, and get a family photo of sorts going with almost all of my Apple hardware.
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Awww, lookit 'em all! 😊

Reply 24381 of 27405, by gerry

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Thermalwrong wrote on 2023-05-24, 21:37:
I'm packing things to go into storage since I'm going to be moving quite soon and I have enough time to finish up this project a […]
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I'm packing things to go into storage since I'm going to be moving quite soon and I have enough time to finish up this project at least, a few months back I bought this Kapok 5400PT laptop - the flower means it's got a TFT and it's got a gamepad on the palm rest???
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The four buttons are actually buttons 1 and 2, with the extra 1&2 buttons having a little circuit added so they're turbo 1&2.

Of course, the hinge plastics are disintegrating so today I made a 3d print to reinforce that area then epoxied it on. Had to grind loads away because I put plastic in the area that the hinges rotate into when opening the screen and they don't want to glue down but it'd holding.

It has this strange little port on the side that looks like it'd be for a floppy drive since it's a 26-pin thin connector that clips in like you'd see on external floppy drives, but this one has it built in already. Nope, that port is for the gameport dongle of course, it does have a little bat in a diamond shape that looks sorta like a joystick printed by it.
I traced this out to how they connect into the ESS sound chip and derived a pinout:
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edit: I should add, pin 1 is on the edge facing towards the keyboard, not the front of the machine.

Using a scrap 0.8mm PCB segment from a dock adapter PCB I made - with 1.27mm spacing between each pad, I was able to wire up a gameport and it works just as well as it was designed - which is not very well 😀
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For some reason they only wired up one set of the x & y axis and only 2 buttons. It also likes conflicting with the built-in gamepad and switching between joystick and gamepad seems to often require a reboot.

But midi out works and that's great!
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what an interesting project and great way to make the incompatible compatible! i enjoy reading about these kinds of things

Reply 24382 of 27405, by RedSarg99

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ubiq wrote on 2023-05-23, 23:47:
RedSarg99 wrote on 2023-05-23, 06:55:

How do you get the fdd or odd in there 😂
Which SD card adapter do you use in the build?
I may look at going back as the install I have (smallest sata 2,5" I could find on a ide to sata adapter) seems to be hanging and not quite sure what is causing it..

No removable media in this build, other than the CF card reader - which can be limiting obviously, depending on what kind of retro activity you're looking to get into. I'm using a Promise S150 card because my BF6 mobo doesn't have EIDE. SD to IDE adapters are all pretty much (exactly?) identical. I've got mine tucked back where this case has room for 2.5 SATA drives:
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it is a nice clean build!
Which PSU are you using and do you get enough molex/fdd connectors on it?
Also you added a seperate card for EIDE?

Reply 24383 of 27405, by pan069

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I got a NuXT Turbo XT last year and I had been looking for a case for it. The other week I came across this Thermaltake S100 Micro ATX Case that I thought would be a nice fit so I ended up ordering it. It's a bit bigger (fatter) than I expected it would be but I think the White edition looks pretty "cool". I currently have a Seasonic PSU in there, not sure if I'm going to swap it out with something else. The Seasonic doesn't really fit the case, style wise, and might be a little bit to beefy and I could probably use it elsewhere at some point.

The NuXT and the Blasterboard make a good combo. Very happy with both of them.

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Reply 24384 of 27405, by ubiq

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RedSarg99 wrote on 2023-05-26, 19:34:

it is a nice clean build!
Which PSU are you using and do you get enough molex/fdd connectors on it?
Also you added a seperate card for EIDE?

I'm using the NZXT C850 that I got with the case. Totally overkill, but at least I know it will do everything i will (ever) need. Fully modular, so I just plug in whatever cables I need. I keep a bunch of SATA to floppy power adapters around, very handy.

And yeah, I added a Promise FastTrak 100 card, mostly just so I could use those nice black ASUS 80-pin cables. With my BF6 mobo by itself I would have had to use some gungy old grey 40-pin cables. 😅

Reply 24385 of 27405, by ubiq

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pan069 wrote on 2023-05-26, 21:33:
I got a NuXT Turbo XT last year and I had been looking for a case for it. The other week I came across this Thermaltake S100 Mic […]
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I got a NuXT Turbo XT last year and I had been looking for a case for it. The other week I came across this Thermaltake S100 Micro ATX Case that I thought would be a nice fit so I ended up ordering it. It's a bit bigger (fatter) than I expected it would be but I think the White edition looks pretty "cool". I currently have a Seasonic PSU in there, not sure if I'm going to swap it out with something else. The Seasonic does really fit the case, style wise, and might be a little bit to beefy and I could probably use it elsewhere at some point.

The NuXT and the Blasterboard make a good combo. Very happy with both of them.

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Awesome look! XT computing isn't my bag, but putting old (looking) thing in new case certainly is - I like it!

Today I put a card sideways because I thought it would be goofy, and it was, and it amused me.

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Reply 24386 of 27405, by mrfusion92

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So since I have 2 slot 1 motheboards on the way. I retrieved from the storage the PII that was in my first PC of 1999.

But this doesn't look right. Like it seems that the heatsink sticks out too much, there won't be enough clearance from the motherboard. Am I right?

Perhaps the motherboard of that PC (a preassembled of italian build maker, now defunct) had the slot with a 90° angle? Is it possible?

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Reply 24387 of 27405, by bearking

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mrfusion92 wrote on 2023-05-27, 13:28:
So since I have 2 slot 1 motheboards on the way. I retrieved from the storage the PII that was in my first PC of 1999. […]
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So since I have 2 slot 1 motheboards on the way. I retrieved from the storage the PII that was in my first PC of 1999.

But this doesn't look right. Like it seems that the heatsink sticks out too much, there won't be enough clearance from the motherboard. Am I right?

Perhaps the motherboard of that PC (a preassembled of italian build maker, now defunct) had the slot with a 90° angle? Is it possible?

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Yes, it's possible! Take a look at the Compaq DESKPRO EN SFF Slot1 system.

Reply 24388 of 27405, by TheAbandonwareGuy

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Can anybody ELI5 why PCI (not PCIe, PCI) graphics cards are going nuts all of a sudden? These use to be worthless, now common ass Radeon 7000s, 9250s, TNT2 M64s, etc are going for $40-$60 constantly.

They are literally useless for 3D gaming, even the GeForce2MX basically falls flat on its face when attached to a PCI bus. Like to the point Intel ExtremeGraphics (which usually has a AGP bus connecting it) sometimes will out perform it.

Onto what I've actually been doing: My P5N-D for some reason has decided it no longer wants to work with 8GB of memory. I think the controller for the second memory channel is either dead or near to it. I swapped the 8GB of 800MHZ memory I had in it for 4GB of OCZ 1066 memory. This memory runs at a higher 2.2v so that might be why it works. I'm considering grabbing another kit to see if I can get back up to 8GB but the machine this is in literally only exists for playing games from 2012 or back, and nothing from that time frame actually needs 8GB so eh, why risk finishing off the known sketchy nForce memory controller.

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Reply 24389 of 27405, by Meatball

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TheAbandonwareGuy wrote on 2023-05-28, 02:32:

Can anybody ELI5 why PCI (not PCIe, PCI) graphics cards are going nuts all of a sudden? These use to be worthless, now common ass Radeon 7000s, 9250s, TNT2 M64s, etc are going for $40-$60 constantly.

They are literally useless for 3D gaming, even the GeForce2MX basically falls flat on its face when attached to a PCI bus. Like to the point Intel ExtremeGraphics (which usually has a AGP bus connecting it) sometimes will out perform it.

Onto what I've actually been doing: My P5N-D for some reason has decided it no longer wants to work with 8GB of memory. I think the controller for the second memory channel is either dead or near to it. I swapped the 8GB of 800MHZ memory I had in it for 4GB of OCZ 1066 memory. This memory runs at a higher 2.2v so that might be why it works. I'm considering grabbing another kit to see if I can get back up to 8GB but the machine this is in literally only exists for playing games from 2012 or back, and nothing from that time frame actually needs 8GB so eh, why risk finishing off the known sketchy nForce memory controller.

There's nothing left to buy is my best guess, haha...

Reply 24390 of 27405, by xcomcmdr

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Last night I unpacked a General MIDI message, by following the documentation of WinMM (hello, Windows 3.11 !), and old VBA forums:

private static void ExtractAndProcessMidiMessage(uint packedMessage, Synthesizer synthesizer) {
byte[] bytes = BitConverter.GetBytes(packedMessage);

// Extract MIDI status from the low word, low-order byte
byte midiStatus = bytes[0];

// Extract first data byte from the low word, high-order byte
byte data1 = bytes[1];

// Extract second data byte from the high word, low-order byte
byte data2 = bytes[2];

byte command = (byte) (midiStatus & 0xF0);

if (command is < 0x80 or > 0xE0) {
return;
}

// it's a voice message
// find the channel by masking off all but the low 4 bits
byte channel = (byte) (midiStatus & 0x0F);

synthesizer.ProcessMidiMessage(channel, command, data1, data2);
}

That was quite retro !

Reply 24391 of 27405, by kolderman

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Tested a CT1330A I have had sitting on a shelf for ages. Everything worked perfectly, digital sound, adlib, and even PC speaker. Have not tested the dual-OPL yet, need to research which game and how, but I feel it will work after today's test.

Reply 24392 of 27405, by ediflorianUS

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Recently (friday-saturday) - tested all of this buyed lot :

And my Alienware died - RIP.

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Reply 24393 of 27405, by ubiq

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Got my dual Slot 1 build up and running with Win2K. Going to do a separate post about the build in System Specs forum.

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Reply 24394 of 27405, by Windows9566

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ubiq wrote on 2023-05-29, 00:22:

Got my dual Slot 1 build up and running with Win2K. Going to do a separate post about the build in System Specs forum.
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how do you even get a OS or files on it? there are no 5.25 or 3.5 bays on that case

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Reply 24395 of 27405, by ediflorianUS

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Windows9566 wrote on 2023-05-29, 00:42:
ubiq wrote on 2023-05-29, 00:22:

Got my dual Slot 1 build up and running with Win2K. Going to do a separate post about the build in System Specs forum.
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how do you even get a OS or files on it? there are no 5.25 or 3.5 bays on that case

On USB or FireWire ... doooh... it's 2k dual , not 80286 , I managed to load files on my 486 with extracting hdd from it so anything is posible.

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Reply 24396 of 27405, by gerry

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ubiq wrote on 2023-05-29, 00:22:

Got my dual Slot 1 build up and running with Win2K. Going to do a separate post about the build in System Specs forum.
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i like that look you've selected for this build, 'modern' with 'retro' - can see all that goodness on display

Reply 24398 of 27405, by ubiq

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gerry wrote on 2023-05-29, 20:54:
ubiq wrote on 2023-05-27, 01:44:

Today I put a card sideways because I thought it would be goofy, and it was, and it amused me.
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you did that for airflow right ? 😀

Actually.... I'm looking at baby AT boards that might work in this mATX case. Usually putting baby ATs in an small ATX cases you can't use the slots nearest the AT keyboard connector but - I figured out that I can put two PCI cards vertical in this case, which could be very handy...

(Too bad there's no way of doing this with an AGP card - no such thing an AGP slot extension cable as far as I know..)

Reply 24399 of 27405, by smtkr

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Hey. I know this thread gets a lot more eyeballs than many others. I posted about a cooling mod I made to a Geforce 3 recently ( Re: Small Project: Installing a Socket 479 cooler on a Geforce 3 ). I asked if anyone had information about Geforce 3 thermals and didn't get any responses.

Is anyone in here able to check a Geforce 3 that you own and see if the back side of the PCB gets pretty warm behind the chip?

Edit Someone responded today.