Bondi wrote on 2022-02-03, 09:29:

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creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-02, 17:06:

Bondi wrote on 2022-02-02, 16:28:

Interesting! Thanks for the pics.
Is this indeed a video card as they call it? Or it's a MPEG decoder? How does it work? And does it work in DOS?

I tried to post that in the thread above, but was kind of excited to see the thread 🤣

Ah, sorry, missed your earlier post.

- The card is a mpeg1 Decoder (will confirm again later) card, it seems (per the manual) it does not record audio though (though […]
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- The card is a mpeg1 Decoder (will confirm again later) card, it seems (per the manual) it does not record audio though (though it could probably be rigged to if one were to pass the audio source from the heaphone jack to the line-in of say, a Versa M or P laptop which has a sound card using alternative software).

- It does work in DOS. There's a program called "FullTV" that allows playback through the card to be displayed on the laptop's screen. Seems it uses 320x200 mode as well (not sure if true color or 256 color).

- The card seems primarily aimed at NEC Versa Ultralite/E/V/M/P model laptops such as those I own (I have a NEC Versa 40EC, V/50, M/75, and P/75) which are PCMCIA x2 16-bit Systems. The install program specifically lists off the NEC versa laptop computers I have + the one I don't (Ultralite) to determine installation I believe.

- The Dongle is composite input and has a "headphone out" on it, which makes sense, the Versa Ultralite/E/V models don't have a sound card so all sound is handled through the PCMCIA card, likely as just a passthrough. But the P/75 had ESS AudioDrive and the M/75 & M/100 have Crystal CS-4231-KQ WSS chips in them so those might be usable to record MPEG1 off of to a hard drive with sound.

That said, reading the manual for the laptops vs. the card, they tend to point to the Phoenix Card Services as being better, which is highly odd since I have the entire drivers collection from the NEC FTP, and the Ultralite/E/V/M/P all shipped with Cirrus card services (SCIRRUS.EXE being the main TSR). However, it seems I'm getting something out of Cirrus.

How the Cirrus services work is it sends a command to power up the PCMCIA port and then uses a series of "reference files" to determine the settings for the card, IIRC this card lives at address 380h (heck, the reference files for Cirrus are plaintext). These card services also tend to connect themselves to a NEC provided PCMCIA utility that allows you to hot-swap PCMCIA cards in Windows 3.1 in real time and it can auto-detect the card type if there's a resource file for it - picks up this card + my Aironet, WaveLAN Silver, PCMCIA Ethernet, and Xjack modems all surprisingly well, though it can be janky at times.

I have managed to get this card working somewhat - once - in DOS using the FullTV app, but I have not yet got it working in Windows 3.1 yet. I might want to do some exploring to see if I can find some more DOS programs for this kind of card. Part of why I picked it up is to make some YouTube videos with my old Windows 3.1/DOS laptops....just to claim I am one of the few, if any others, on YouTube recording on a 486 :XD.

My understanding may be wrong, sorry for that, but I'm a bit confused. Is this a capture card or a mpeg decoder or both? Does it play avi files from HDD(decoder) or video from the composite input(capture)? In a way you referred to both in your description.
Anyways the fact that it works in DOS is quite unique. If it turns out to be a MPEG decoder card, then it's the only one that I know of that works in DOS. As for capture cards, there are IBM/Ratoc cards that work in DOS as well.

Just capture I believe. But the software seems to have an mpeg encoding capability I believe as that's one of the video formats listed in the manual that it can record video in in Windows, I think it may even do mpeg2 as well (but don't quote me on that). I'll give the manual a look tonight and verify everything.

In DOS it just overlays the input over the screen I believe for FullTV. That said, it's more reliable with FullTV than it is with VersaVideo as I had an easier time getting a signal out of it than I did using VersaVideo. That application, as far as I'm aware, does not record anything. But there's no telling if there's not some goofey old DOS AV application out there that might not work with it, even if with some software hacking.

In Windows 3.1x it does the same thing with VersaVideo like any DV Capture/TV Tuner card would, but what's unique is the application can record clips not just to HDD but also to the computer's memory and allows not just saving and playback from the HDD, but also you can record a short clip and play it back directly from memory - probably a way to get around the slower IDE hard drives of the time. Probably now I could go full tilt from my 60-80GB drives as they are probably fast enough.

I also tried the application out in Windows 95 but I'm having a hard time finding the Nogatech Nogavision driver for the device for that O/S and while the application launches I still have not got it working yet. But if I ever do, I'm sure I'll do a YouTube video about this thing and show it off in full glory. Actually, that's one reason I got it was to see if I Could actually make really funky low-res YouTube videos using my vintage Versa laptops.

Mike1978 wrote on 2022-01-31, 19:58:

I’d been watching this one for a few months and equally couldn’t find anything more about it but I’ve many old machines with cardbus that I could try it out.

I’m now the new owner and can share some more detail when it arrives.

Mike

I considered buying it more than once but I completely forgot about it at some point!
I'll wait for your upcoming test.

creepingnet wrote on 2022-01-31, 20:13:

Man, crazy there's a thread on this now,

What do you mean "now"? This is an old thread! 😀

Especially since I picked up a "VersaVideo" a few months ago (NEC's rebranded version of a NogaTech Nogavision 16-bit PCMCICA card). I'm still working on getting that thing working on my various NEC Versas (40EC, V/50, M/75, and P/75). It's basically a NogaTech LLZ NV256 DV capture card and the install program aims primarily at the era of NEC versa laptop I'm into (Ultralite Versa, Versa E, Versa V, Versa M, Versa P).

Nice find!
Calling it a DV capture card is a misnomer, it's a composite video capture card.

Nogatech website with some FAQ
https://web.archive.org/web/19970119140500/ht … ch.com/home.htm
Win9x driver found on https://archive.org/details/xxxxxxx-drivers.com

Please upload the drivers you got with it, thanks.

lolo799 wrote on 2022-02-03, 19:01:

I considered buying it more than once but I completely forgot about it at some point! I'll wait for your upcoming test. […]
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Mike1978 wrote on 2022-01-31, 19:58:

I’d been watching this one for a few months and equally couldn’t find anything more about it but I’ve many old machines with cardbus that I could try it out.

I’m now the new owner and can share some more detail when it arrives.

Mike

I considered buying it more than once but I completely forgot about it at some point!
I'll wait for your upcoming test.

creepingnet wrote on 2022-01-31, 20:13:

Man, crazy there's a thread on this now,

What do you mean "now"? This is an old thread! 😀

Especially since I picked up a "VersaVideo" a few months ago (NEC's rebranded version of a NogaTech Nogavision 16-bit PCMCICA card). I'm still working on getting that thing working on my various NEC Versas (40EC, V/50, M/75, and P/75). It's basically a NogaTech LLZ NV256 DV capture card and the install program aims primarily at the era of NEC versa laptop I'm into (Ultralite Versa, Versa E, Versa V, Versa M, Versa P).

Nice find!
Calling it a DV capture card is a misnomer, it's a composite video capture card.

Nogatech website with some FAQ
https://web.archive.org/web/19970119140500/ht … ch.com/home.htm
Win9x driver found on https://archive.org/details/xxxxxxx-drivers.com

Please upload the drivers you got with it, thanks.

Thanks much. Looks like it's time to break the Versas out again this afternoon....probably my M/75, and see what this can do in 95 or Win31 now with some updated drivers. Something I don't think the old drivers had was that TSR file - it relied totally on card services to access (odd).

Either way, I'll upload the diskette it comes with. The installer is for Windows 3.1, also will be putting it on my website and on the internet archive since I really need to start putting stuff like this up there that I have before it's lost.

I have a Nogatech NoteBookTV rebranded as a Computer Technica TVCC-1, it has the same composite video capture capabilities as the NogaVision.

They also sold the NogaVision under their brand:
https://web.archive.org/web/19990222103947/ht … it30/unit30.htm

Some drivers are still available:
https://web.archive.org/web/19990302052255/ht … iver/driver.htm

Downloaded the drivers, works great. What's rather cool is with the Versa M/75 or P/75 I can loop back the audio output from the card to the internal sound ccard and reccord full AVI with audio with the provided program NogaTech or whoever provided, but it also comes with the original program that is janky under 3.1 (I forgot that it claims my version of Windows is wrong in 3.11 For Workgroups) - but it works perfectly under 95.

Looks like it's time to make a YouTube video of this thing, including some AVI footage taken from the card itself with sound. Also found the microphone listens too....hehehe, low-res Let's Plays on an NEC Versa M/75, 🤣. I have 80GB of space so plenty of room for videos. I'm actually quite surprised how well it does.

lolo799 wrote on 2022-02-03, 19:01:

Nogatech website with some FAQ
https://web.archive.org/web/19970119140500/ht … ch.com/home.htm
Win9x driver found on https://archive.org/details/xxxxxxx-drivers.com

Thanks for the Nogatech drivers! I have this IO Data PCCAP, which is a clone of Nogatech (seen as Nogatech Nogavision in Windows). Mine came with japanese drivers. Will try if it works with these drivers.

creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-04, 07:15:

Downloaded the drivers, works great. What's rather cool is with the Versa M/75 or P/75 I can loop back the audio output from the card to the internal sound ccard and reccord full AVI with audio with the provided program NogaTech or whoever provided, but it also comes with the original program that is janky under 3.1 (I forgot that it claims my version of Windows is wrong in 3.11 For Workgroups) - but it works perfectly under 95.

Looks like it's time to make a YouTube video of this thing, including some AVI footage taken from the card itself with sound. Also found the microphone listens too....hehehe, low-res Let's Plays on an NEC Versa M/75, 🤣. I have 80GB of space so plenty of room for videos. I'm actually quite surprised how well it does.

creepingnet , the versavideo.zip file contains only pictures of the card, no drivers.
And looking forward to seeing video!

And since we now talk about capture cards there is also this IBM Smart Capture Card and it's successor IBM Smart Capture Card II and the clone of the latter - Ratoc Rex9590. The difference between SCC and SCCII is that the II has hardware dithering function.
SCC has DOS drivers and a captute application as well as W95 drivers. Ratoc issued only windows drivers.
IBM also released a camera and a TV tuner for it's card. Here are the pics and drivers I could find on the internet.
Info https://web.archive.org/web/20050715085721/ht … cc/catalog.html

DOS application

Drivers

Bondi wrote on 2022-02-04, 09:28:

Thanks for the Nogatech drivers! I have this IO Data PCCAP, which is a clone of Nogatech (seen as Nogatech Nogavision in Windows […]
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lolo799 wrote on 2022-02-03, 19:01:

Nogatech website with some FAQ
https://web.archive.org/web/19970119140500/ht … ch.com/home.htm
Win9x driver found on https://archive.org/details/xxxxxxx-drivers.com

Thanks for the Nogatech drivers! I have this IO Data PCCAP, which is a clone of Nogatech (seen as Nogatech Nogavision in Windows). Mine came with japanese drivers. Will try if it works with these drivers.
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creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-04, 07:15:

Downloaded the drivers, works great. What's rather cool is with the Versa M/75 or P/75 I can loop back the audio output from the card to the internal sound ccard and reccord full AVI with audio with the provided program NogaTech or whoever provided, but it also comes with the original program that is janky under 3.1 (I forgot that it claims my version of Windows is wrong in 3.11 For Workgroups) - but it works perfectly under 95.

Looks like it's time to make a YouTube video of this thing, including some AVI footage taken from the card itself with sound. Also found the microphone listens too....hehehe, low-res Let's Plays on an NEC Versa M/75, 🤣. I have 80GB of space so plenty of room for videos. I'm actually quite surprised how well it does.

creepingnet , the versavideo.zip file contains only pictures of the card, no drivers.
And looking forward to seeing video!

Shoot, that's what I get for having 2 directories under the same name with different case on my desktop (Linux) - either way, I'll repost them when I get home (the other dir was for this thread).

Drivers floppy disks from my card:

Here's the actual VersaVideo Drivers for Windows 3.1x. I'm also uploading to the Internet Archive as well since it seems I've not even seen this driven listed in the NEC FTP Archive either.

creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-06, 03:58:

Here's the actual VersaVideo Drivers for Windows 3.1x. I'm also uploading to the Internet Archive as well since it seems I've not even seen this driven listed in the NEC FTP Archive either.

This seems to be the exactly same drives(W95) as loaded y lolo799 above.
Could you please upload the DOS drivers and the FullTV.exe program that you mentioned. I'd like to try it with my IO Data PCCAP, that is also a Nogatech card clone.

Bondi wrote on 2022-02-06, 07:12:

creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-06, 03:58:

Here's the actual VersaVideo Drivers for Windows 3.1x. I'm also uploading to the Internet Archive as well since it seems I've not even seen this driven listed in the NEC FTP Archive either.

This seems to be the exactly same drives(W95) as loaded y lolo799 above.
Could you please upload the DOS drivers and the FullTV.exe program that you mentioned. I'd like to try it with my IO Data PCCAP, that is also a Nogatech card clone.

Ok, that might take me a bit, will post those when I get a moment. To get the full TV program it has to be installed from Windows 3.1. The drivers look the same at first but the resource files contain fullTV. I can post the DOS fulltv stuff later though, just need to do some FTP Finagling from my NEC Versa to get them using my phone.

creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-07, 08:05:

Bondi wrote on 2022-02-06, 07:12:

creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-06, 03:58:

Here's the actual VersaVideo Drivers for Windows 3.1x. I'm also uploading to the Internet Archive as well since it seems I've not even seen this driven listed in the NEC FTP Archive either.

This seems to be the exactly same drives(W95) as loaded y lolo799 above.
Could you please upload the DOS drivers and the FullTV.exe program that you mentioned. I'd like to try it with my IO Data PCCAP, that is also a Nogatech card clone.

Ok, that might take me a bit, will post those when I get a moment. To get the full TV program it has to be installed from Windows 3.1. The drivers look the same at first but the resource files contain fullTV. I can post the DOS fulltv stuff later though, just need to do some FTP Finagling from my NEC Versa to get them using my phone.

Hey creepingnet, did you have a chance to pull out the files? Can't wait to try them.
I assume the diskette drive on your NEC Versa doesn't work that you have to find wayarounds to copy the files? What about a PCMCIA-CF card?
BTW where did you get drivers originally?

Bondi wrote on 2022-02-18, 07:04:

Hey creepingnet, did you have a chance to pull out the files? Can't wait to try them. I assume the diskette drive on your NEC Ve […]
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creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-07, 08:05:

Bondi wrote on 2022-02-06, 07:12:

This seems to be the exactly same drives(W95) as loaded y lolo799 above.
Could you please upload the DOS drivers and the FullTV.exe program that you mentioned. I'd like to try it with my IO Data PCCAP, that is also a Nogatech card clone.

Ok, that might take me a bit, will post those when I get a moment. To get the full TV program it has to be installed from Windows 3.1. The drivers look the same at first but the resource files contain fullTV. I can post the DOS fulltv stuff later though, just need to do some FTP Finagling from my NEC Versa to get them using my phone.

Hey creepingnet, did you have a chance to pull out the files? Can't wait to try them.
I assume the diskette drive on your NEC Versa doesn't work that you have to find wayarounds to copy the files? What about a PCMCIA-CF card?
BTW where did you get drivers originally?

Try this, I just ripped it from the diskette 5 min ago to my Linux box. LMK if this one works. You should know it's correct if the install program asks if you have a Versa Ultralite/E/V/M/P model computer.

creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-20, 08:28:

Bondi wrote on 2022-02-18, 07:04:

Hey creepingnet, did you have a chance to pull out the files? Can't wait to try them. I assume the diskette drive on your NEC Ve […]
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creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-07, 08:05:

Ok, that might take me a bit, will post those when I get a moment. To get the full TV program it has to be installed from Windows 3.1. The drivers look the same at first but the resource files contain fullTV. I can post the DOS fulltv stuff later though, just need to do some FTP Finagling from my NEC Versa to get them using my phone.

Hey creepingnet, did you have a chance to pull out the files? Can't wait to try them.
I assume the diskette drive on your NEC Versa doesn't work that you have to find wayarounds to copy the files? What about a PCMCIA-CF card?
BTW where did you get drivers originally?

Try this, I just ripped it from the diskette 5 min ago to my Linux box. LMK if this one works. You should know it's correct if the install program asks if you have a Versa Ultralite/E/V/M/P model computer.

Thank you for the drivers. Yes, this seems to be the right one.

creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-20, 08:28:

Bondi wrote on 2022-02-18, 07:04:

Hey creepingnet, did you have a chance to pull out the files? Can't wait to try them. I assume the diskette drive on your NEC Ve […]
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creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-07, 08:05:

Ok, that might take me a bit, will post those when I get a moment. To get the full TV program it has to be installed from Windows 3.1. The drivers look the same at first but the resource files contain fullTV. I can post the DOS fulltv stuff later though, just need to do some FTP Finagling from my NEC Versa to get them using my phone.

Hey creepingnet, did you have a chance to pull out the files? Can't wait to try them.
I assume the diskette drive on your NEC Versa doesn't work that you have to find wayarounds to copy the files? What about a PCMCIA-CF card?
BTW where did you get drivers originally?

Try this, I just ripped it from the diskette 5 min ago to my Linux box. LMK if this one works. You should know it's correct if the install program asks if you have a Versa Ultralite/E/V/M/P model computer.

I've been trying to make my PCCAP (Nogatech clone) capture card working. The CS/SS drivers seem to install fine. But the FullTV program does not work. It starts, but all I can see is a black screen. Does it have some kind of interface? And does it run on it's own, without card installed?
I also could not locate any capture card specific driver, so I assumed FullTV works with it directly. Is it the case?
Could you please elaborate a bit how you made it work in DOS.
I use Cardsoft drivers.

Bondi wrote on 2022-02-23, 17:29:

I've been trying to make my PCCAP (Nogatech clone) capture card working. The CS/SS drivers seem to install fine. But the FullTV […]
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creepingnet wrote on 2022-02-20, 08:28:

Bondi wrote on 2022-02-18, 07:04:

Hey creepingnet, did you have a chance to pull out the files? Can't wait to try them.
I assume the diskette drive on your NEC Versa doesn't work that you have to find wayarounds to copy the files? What about a PCMCIA-CF card?
BTW where did you get drivers originally?

Try this, I just ripped it from the diskette 5 min ago to my Linux box. LMK if this one works. You should know it's correct if the install program asks if you have a Versa Ultralite/E/V/M/P model computer.

I've been trying to make my PCCAP (Nogatech clone) capture card working. The CS/SS drivers seem to install fine. But the FullTV program does not work. It starts, but all I can see is a black screen. Does it have some kind of interface? And does it run on it's own, without card installed?
I also could not locate any capture card specific driver, so I assumed FullTV works with it directly. Is it the case?
Could you please elaborate a bit how you made it work in DOS.
I use Cardsoft drivers.

Granted, I only got mine partially working on DOS/W31. It seems these earlier release drivers are quite a bit more janky than the ones you or someone put up here for Win95. I get the blank screen a lot. It seems the least flaky on my Versa M/75, which sometimes I'll get colored bars down the screen or I'll get a "No Signal" listing even with a video source plugged in. I noticed the Win95 drivers needed "Game mode" enabled to capture video off my 8-bit NES or Atari 2600 without sync issues.

So to get the card working in DOS you need Card Services Loaded. On the NEC Versa Ultralite/E/V/M/P models these had a driver for the Cirrus PCMCIA chipset, which is very odd because the card's manual (I really should put that thing in PDF format) says to use a different driver than the one that comes with those laptops (CIRRUS drivers - C:\CARDSOFT - which it was obviously made for based on the install program for Windows 3.1 but odd they use a different driver in the documents, should be in the README.TXT).

When setting up an NEC Versa Ultralite/E/V/M/P as it was from the factory (MS-DOS 6.xx, Windows 3.1) the utilities or system software diskette(s) will linstall card services to c:\CARDSOFT. This is the SCIRRUS driver. This is the driver that makes use of the NOGATECH.CLB file to allocate system resources for the card (380h for the memory address) - surprisingly those CLB files are plaintext so they can be edited.

Another thing I've been using to check and make sure card services are working properly is the Windows 3.1x version of Cardinfo should show the NOGATECH NogaVision card listed, and when DOS is loading there should be 2 beeps (low->high) to indicate that Card Services found PCMCIA cards installed.. This is where it gets REALLY flaky. Sometimes the cards are detected but the program can't figure out what they are, sometimes the cards are detected and the program only has partial information or finds only oone of the two card's information. Somtimes it works as intended - that's usually when I get the "No Signal" in FullTV.

That said, I'm going to need to play around with it some more. It's just really hard as I'm dealing with a lot personally and professionally right now so I've not been doing very much with viintage PC's outside of playing games on them and surfing the web sometimes.

Mike1978 wrote on 2022-01-31, 19:58:

I’d been watching this one for a few months and equally couldn’t find anything more about it but I’ve many old machines with car […]
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Bondi wrote on 2021-03-15, 09:46:

lolo799 wrote on 2021-03-15, 09:37:

Nice find!
The url isn't archived sadly.
Do you own that card?

No, I don't have it. But it's on Yahoo right now.

I’d been watching this one for a few months and equally couldn’t find anything more about it but I’ve many old machines with cardbus that I could try it out.

I’m now the new owner and can share some more detail when it arrives.

Mike

So it arrived and much to my disappointment there were no software with it. The instructions seem to instruct you to a website that is long gone to get the drivers and sadly as others have noted it’s not archived.

I’ve messaged Axell but with no reply..

So ideas how to proceed.

I did Google translate the instructions with text in situ but it’s not added anything to my cause.

I had hope win xp may have natively had the drivers or some via MS but sadly not the case.

Input welcomed

Axell finally replied after chasing them and they basically done I’m out of luck:

Dear Mike

Thank you for your Email.

We sold and supported AG902 only in Japan.
Its provide and support is finished about 8 years ago.
Also AS51952 is too.
We're sorry, but we can't provide what you request.

Best Regards,

AXELL Corporation

Mike1978 wrote on 2022-03-08, 10:41:

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Axell finally replied after chasing them and they basically done I’m out of luck:

Dear Mike

Thank you for your Email.

We sold and supported AG902 only in Japan.
Its provide and support is finished about 8 years ago.
Also AS51952 is too.
We're sorry, but we can't provide what you request.

Best Regards,

AXELL Corporation

So I tried again much like Andy Dufresne in Shawshank.
I kept on saying I wouldn’t be able to get the driver elsewhere. I was then given a more positive response so long as I accepted they were unsupported and all documents were in Japanese that I would be sent a copy of the drivers as is! With a hint of please stop mailing us 😀

So today I was sent a file share with drivers, documents and some samples within it.

I’ve yet to try it, but I have the drivers which I shall share for others! That may find this of interest.

The internet should have an archive of these things

So these are the drivers for the AS51952 / AG902 from Axell the docs and samples exceed the limit for this forum, but would be happy to upload them somewhere if anyone is interested?

I will of course post again when I get this installed and working.

Mike