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First post, by Hellistor

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Hello,

I recently picked up an Orchid Righteoud 3D II in a haul with some other parts. Sadly I'm quite certain it is defective.

Visually the card is on good condition with no defects as far as I can tell. Here's the same pictures in higher resolution: https://imgur.com/a/C85Uh

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I tested the card in three different machines with three different driver versions. They all behave the same way and give the same problems

The machines are a 233MHz Pentium MMX, a 550MHz Pentium III,and a 1GHz Pentium III.
The drivers are the FastVoodoo2 v4.6, Righteous 3D II V1.2 and the 3DFX reference drivers v1.0 from my STB Black Magic II cards.

No combination of these has resulted in the card functioning correctly.

The symptoms are as follows:

The information tab in the settings menu for the card shows 0MB Frame Buffer Memory.

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When starting a game the only thing shown on screen is an "artifact block"

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The only result I found that describes a similar problem suggests the Frame Buffer chips are dead. There was also some results that describe an error with nForce chipsets but since all machines used for testing use Intel Chipsets I can rule that out.

So as far as I know the only way to fix the card is to replace the frame buffer memory chips. If this is the only way I'd appreciate if somebody could tell me where I could get those and how to replace them. If there is another way, please tell me!

Last edited by Hellistor on 2016-11-28, 06:08. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 1 of 15, by Paadam

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There may be fractured solder joints too, I would first try to reflow the card.

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Reply 2 of 15, by Hellistor

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Paadam wrote:

There may be fractured solder joints too, I would first try to reflow the card.

Right, I completely forgot about that.
I'm a very cautious person, I try to be very careful in what I do. That's why I'm not much of a fan of the "oven method".
How would I best go about trying to reflow it? Should I go over the solder joints one by one with a soldering iron?

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Reply 3 of 15, by Paadam

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No, the best way to do it at home is to obtain a controllable heatgun with temperature display. Set it to 300c and use thin end and low cfm (so you are not blowing the components off). Also I would suggest buying some good flux (BGA ones are good as they flow well and have no ill effects later, like oxiduzing or conducting current).

Been using this method for all kinds of computer repairs, including changing BGA CPU on my Thinkpad X31. I wanted it to have low voltage Dothan CPU so I de-soldered one from X41 and swapped it into my X31. Result: both faster, quiter and with longer battery life. Here's the topic: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=101801

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Reply 4 of 15, by Hellistor

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Thank you for the help!

I'll see if I can borrow one somewhere, but this is more of a low priority repair for me right now. It'll probably be some time until I start this.

Can I send you a PM when I'm ready? You seem like you know your soldering.

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Reply 5 of 15, by meljor

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The most common problem i know with these cards are ''the legs'' of the 3dfx chips. They are sitting VERY close to each other so check them very closely and make sure none of them are shorting.

Separating them with a needle saved me a couple v2's trough the years as well as a v1. There are a lot of these tiny legs and a single bump during storage can be enough to bend some and these cards are stored a long time usually in boxes of hardware etc..

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Reply 6 of 15, by Hellistor

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meljor wrote:

The most common problem i know with these cards are ''the legs'' of the 3dfx chips. They are sitting VERY close to each other so check them very closely and make sure none of them are shorting.

Separating them with a needle saved me a couple v2's trough the years as well as a v1. There are a lot of these tiny legs and a single bump during storage can be enough to bend some and these cards are stored a long time usually in boxes of hardware etc..

OH YOU GOTTA BE SHITTING ME!!!

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Give me like 15 minutes. I'll report back!

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Reply 7 of 15, by Hellistor

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Alright, case closed, we're done here!

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THANK YOU MELJOR!

If you hadn't told me I'd probably have reflowed the solder for no reason and still not have fixed the card!

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Reply 8 of 15, by Api

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The cult of Voodoo has once again demonstrated its might by resurrecting humble servant. All praise 3dfx. May Voodoo be with you.

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Reply 9 of 15, by Jepael

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I determined the framebuffer memory area and tried to look at it, but that was not visible from your picture.

But do check capacitor C55, just below memory chip U6, it looks like it is loose or something.

Reply 10 of 15, by Hellistor

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Jepael wrote:

I determined the framebuffer memory area and tried to look at it, but that was not visible from your picture.

But do check capacitor C55, just below memory chip U6, it looks like it is loose or something.

Whao, Thank you, I just checked them. I don't know if they're broken but they are loose. One of them just fell off. Do you think I can resolder them, or do I have to get new ones?

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Reply 12 of 15, by Hellistor

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Jepael wrote:

I'd just resolder it. But, are there several loose?

C49 and C55 were loose, that was all of them. I just resoldered them. It was quite fiddly but now it's done.

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Reply 13 of 15, by meljor

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No problem, glad it worked out!

You got one of the easy ones right at a corner, i had a few legs bent right in the middle of a chip and one was deformed so badly that i was scared to brake it when bending it back in shape.
Card works perfectly ever since. Great job on the resolder, enjoy your card!

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Reply 14 of 15, by Tetrium

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Hellistor wrote:
When starting a game the only thing shown on screen is an "artifact block" […]
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When starting a game the only thing shown on screen is an "artifact block"

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Now I know this case is solved, but the artifact you had been getting looks very similar to the artifact my Voodoo 2 in my K6-3/400 rig was having, except that apart from the one block of artifacting, it displayed and worked perfectly fine. The position of the artifact block changed as I changed resolution, so I always assumed it had to do with one of the memory chips.
I might as well go have a look at the card as it may have been having a similar problem, though usually I'm very thorough when inspecting my components before I apply any power.

And glad you managed to resurrect your Voodoo 2!

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Reply 15 of 15, by meljor

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Tetrium wrote:
Now I know this case is solved, but the artifact you had been getting looks very similar to the artifact my Voodoo 2 in my K6-3/ […]
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Hellistor wrote:
When starting a game the only thing shown on screen is an "artifact block" […]
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When starting a game the only thing shown on screen is an "artifact block"

XqlGzfIh.jpg

Now I know this case is solved, but the artifact you had been getting looks very similar to the artifact my Voodoo 2 in my K6-3/400 rig was having, except that apart from the one block of artifacting, it displayed and worked perfectly fine. The position of the artifact block changed as I changed resolution, so I always assumed it had to do with one of the memory chips.
I might as well go have a look at the card as it may have been having a similar problem, though usually I'm very thorough when inspecting my components before I apply any power.

And glad you managed to resurrect your Voodoo 2!

I wouldn't be surprised if it had the same problem, always worth checking. Let us know, would be nice if this becomes the' 'what voodoo2 did you resurrect today'' topic 🤣

btw the 3dfx card that seems to be the weakest of the bunch (for me) is the Rush. I have 4 of them now, one is fine but three are bad. One artifacts and 2 don't even display anything.
Is there a specific thing with the Rush that breaks or is it just random and bad luck? Anyone else had problems, or even better: fixes?

asus tx97-e, 233mmx, voodoo1, s3 virge ,sb16
asus p5a, k6-3+ @ 550mhz, voodoo2 12mb sli, gf2 gts, awe32
asus p3b-f, p3-700, voodoo3 3500TV agp, awe64
asus tusl2-c, p3-S 1,4ghz, voodoo5 5500, live!
asus a7n8x DL, barton cpu, 6800ultra, Voodoo3 pci, audigy1