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Reply 20 of 52, by [GPUT]Carsten

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VooDooMan wrote:

(reserved for future test results...)

Awesome work, VooDooMan!! Really, a great comparison with many important data points covered. Thank you again, and I hope to read more from you soon! 😀

P.S.: I just visited your Facebook site. Quite a collection you have there. I think I've seen some of the pictures before – good to see them again!

Reply 21 of 52, by VooDooMan

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[GPUT]Carsten wrote:
VooDooMan wrote:

(reserved for future test results...)

Awesome work, VooDooMan!! Really, a great comparison with many important data points covered. Thank you again, and I hope to read more from you soon! 😀

P.S.: I just visited your Facebook site. Quite a collection you have there. I think I've seen some of the pictures before – good to see them again!

I am glad to hear such words of appreciation from your side 😀 Thank you very much. It really motivates me to go on with this project. I hope I will be able to present some more test results in 2-3 months... So far this project took almost 9 months of my life 😜

My collection is still growing but still I do not have all the cards to make the ultimate test with all 3D cards from 1995-2003... maybe in a few years 😉

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Reply 22 of 52, by silikone

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http://u.cubeupload.com/roksana/5fRad9200HalfLifeOpe.jpg […]
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5fRad9200HalfLifeOpe.jpg

My heart skipped a beat. What the hell is going on here, considering how the 820 fared poorly elsewhere?

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Reply 23 of 52, by The Serpent Rider

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What the hell is going on here

Probably some horrible driver issues with the Gold Source.

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Reply 24 of 52, by feipoa

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Nice work. This must have taken 6 months or more.

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[humor] *scoffs derisively* Single cpu boards, and the title reads […]
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*scoffs derisively*
Single cpu boards, and the title reads

Fastest Tualatin Chipset / Best Pentium III Motherboard

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But in all seriousness, this looks awesome! That 440BX chipset is a absolute beast as is it almost always #1 or #2. A conclusion that really makes sense, when you realize 133mhz is overclocking. I feel, to be more 'fair' i'd exclude it from the results as the overclocking the pci/agp bus makes a big difference in testing.

These were my first thoughts as well. Single CPU Tualatin boards don't do anything for me, same with single CPU slot 1 boards in general.

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Agree with the comments on lack of i840 though... its dual-channel RDRAM memory controller was unique and actually beat the hell out of an i440BX (let alone i820) in reviews from 1999/2000. So - unlike other 'server'-type chipsets that can actually be slower for 'normal' workoads (Serverworks III-HE, I'm looking at you...) this one is a serious contender for fastest-on-platform. I'd love to see it face off vs 635T and a fully OCs i440BX like you have here 😀

Any idea how much worse the Serverworks III HE-SL is?

I have two boards with the ServerWorks ServerSet III HE-SL chipset that have an AGP port and two boards with the VIA Apollo Pro 266T and AGP 4x slot. One of the HE-SL board only works reliably with 1x AGP, although it will work at 2x with artifacts. I also have a board based on the ServerWorks ServerSet III LE. All boards run with dual Tualatins. Unfortunately, I don't have the AGP cards you used for testing. I have the Ti 4400, not 4600. I have a Quadro FX3000, not FX 5950. Similar, but not quite there. I have a GT6600, GT6800 and a 7900GS though.

For consistency of results, best to have the same person additional boards. Hopefully one day you'll acquire a Serverworks III HE-SL board with working AGP. They are probably all dual boards. I went through three Supermicro boards before I found one which actually works well.

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Reply 25 of 52, by Garrett W

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Amazing work in this thread OP! But, if I may suggest, I have some readability concerns that would vanish if you put thumbnails linking to the image in your posts instead of the full image or if you put an imgur link to the images. As it is, it is a little hard to follow!
Don't mean to shit on your parade though, this is a lot of work and it is very interesting. For one, for me it completely clears the mystery between 440BX, i815 and Apollo Pro 133A, 5 frames per second on average don't really make much of a difference for me 😀.

Reply 26 of 52, by dionb

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feipoa wrote:

Any idea how much worse the Serverworks III HE-SL is?

Its memory performance is spectacular, but the he AGP implementation is abysmal, buggy and slow, sort of like ALi Aladdin V before the new drivers. Oh, and same applies to its IDE - on paper it's ATA-33, but in practice it's slower than PIO-4 and buggy to boot.

Serverworks chipsets were great for SCSI+PCI(-X) servers, but far less so for graphical workstations, let alone gaming systems. It might win on the PCI benchmarks though...

Reply 27 of 52, by feipoa

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dionb wrote:
feipoa wrote:

Any idea how much worse the Serverworks III HE-SL is?

Its memory performance is spectacular, but the he AGP implementation is abysmal, buggy and slow, sort of like ALi Aladdin V before the new drivers. Oh, and same applies to its IDE - on paper it's ATA-33, but in practice it's slower than PIO-4 and buggy to boot.

Serverworks chipsets were great for SCSI+PCI(-X) servers, but far less so for graphical workstations, let alone gaming systems. It might win on the PCI benchmarks though...

I'd like to see some numbers if anyone has them. If I were to run just one benchmark with my 266T-based dual Tualatin vs. my HE-SL-based dual Tualatin, which would it be? I might just make time for this brief comparison. Is the Ti 4400 OK, or need something faster?

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Reply 28 of 52, by dionb

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Two reviews available:

Early (no direct comparison with DDR chipsets) but extensive-
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc … BlT_8BAO56U09W0

Late, but very limited-
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/tualatinsmp/

That said, there's a distinct lack of like-for-like testing in an "ultimate So370 Tualatin build regardless of cost" retro-scenario, so if someone could get VooDooMan a board and he had time it would be interesting to see.

Reply 29 of 52, by feipoa

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dionb wrote:
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Two reviews available:

Early (no direct comparison with DDR chipsets) but extensive-
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc … BlT_8BAO56U09W0

Late, but very limited-
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/tualatinsmp/

And what was the gaming performance verdict of the HE-SL from these links?

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Reply 31 of 52, by feipoa

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Not sure what those applications are, but you're probably right. I'll bench Quake III to put the performance hit into a gaming perspective.

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Reply 32 of 52, by VooDooMan

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The Serpent Rider wrote:

What the hell is going on here

Probably some horrible driver issues with the Gold Source.

I thought the same or maybe that is just some Intel optimatisation for those chips? I815 is also doing great here... besides I think that Half-Life is not the most reliable benchmark for video cards 😉

feipoa wrote:

Nice work. This must have taken 6 months or more.

Actually, It is almost 9 months since I started this project 😉

In case you want to know HOW IT ALL STARTED, here is THE BORING STUFF(read for your own responsibility, watch out for mistakes):
In March 2018 I got an upgradeware Tualatin adapter for SLOT1 thanks to my friend Batyra. I wanted to check how my ABIT BE6-II (i440BX) is doing on my P3-S 1400 Mhz CPU. I was amazed how this config performed...! so far I was using ABIT ST6(i815) as my main RIG for testing, and I always believed it WAS THE BEST CHOICE (exactly like most “unaware” people think...) So I started to compare both, then I thought it would be nice toinclude in the test some more - I had ABIT VH6T (Via 694T) already at that time, so I compared 3 chipsets. Eventually I decided to get AS MUCH MOTHERBOARDS WITH DIFFERENT CHIPSETS as I could get. So I started looking...
My dream was to get i820 first. It was tempting to test the RAMBUS on Tutalatin – not many tests of such kind could be found on the interent and I was expecting to get really high scores on such config. I found ASUS P3C-E on archived Allegro.pl auction. It was sold in 2012.... even though I asked the seller if he can tell me who bought tha board back then in 2012? It turned out it was a member of 3dfx.forum.pl with whom I hadn’t kept in touch for a while – Yakusa! I found his facebook account and send him a message so we stared talking. I turned out he also had ASUS P3C-2000. He liked the idea of my project and since he hadn’t use those board for years he decided to send them BOTH for FREE to me 😉 When I got them I realized that they do not work... physically they seemd PERFECT but for some reaseon refused to boot ;( I was really sad... I thought I am going to abandon this project but then Callahan came to help me 😁 I send the boards to him, and waited for his examination and opinion.
When I though I am not going to continue with that project I “discovered” that “strange” mobo with DDR and SDR by ECS! I thought that maybe I can give this one a try, but I was very reluctunt to touch anything besides ASUS/ABIT... and ECS had very bad fame, and my experience with that company was alo fatal... Again I found one on archived Allegro.pl auction. This one was not even sold, but was no longer for sale. I asked that guy to put it on auction agian so that I can buy it, he said OK. Surprisingly I was too late for the auction! It only lasted 15 minutes and I didn’t buy it! I WAS SO ANGRY! I wrote on 3dfx.forum.pl about this situation. Luckilly it turned out that it was my friend Callahan who bought it! (he is constantly looking for unique harwdare) 😁 I could not believe it 😉 Of course he send the board to me and it was me who paid for that purchase. I tested the board and its performance blew my mind away... I was even more motivated to finally finish the test and make the project complete!
I continued looking for other boards and he next "exotic" one was found by me on some russian site. It was ASUS TUA266 (ALI) I asked a friend of mine who lives in Russia(Slaventus) to buy it for me – he sait he is going to do it and he even CAME TO POLAND with the intention to bring it directly to avoid shipping cost, but the russian seller was too late with the shipping to Slaventus so he visited me without the board, but once he got back to Russia he shipped it to me so I fianlly got it in May. I started testing it. And I was soooo disapointed... At fist I thought this mobo is broken... I could not run anything properly, errors all the time in 3D application (mostly OpenGL) some cards did not want to work at all... I gave up... I felt upset that the project will not be complete.
All of a sudden Callahan brought the good news – he fianlly repaired both mobos: ASUS P3C-E and P3C-2000 they started to WORK! I was so happy to hear that 😀 I tested them and was a little bit disspaointed with the performance on RDRAM, a knew that the SDR version will suck though
The project went on. I tested all other boards but still I could net make all the test on TUA266... All in all I had found a way how to “set” this mobo, and most of the tests were finished (I described the problems I encountered on this forum)

feipoa wrote:

These were my first thoughts as well. Single CPU Tualatin boards don't do anything for me, same with single CPU slot 1 boards in general.

The thing is that I didn’t feel any strong desire to test DUAL CPU boards. This is how I view it:
- Workstation and server boards WERE NEVER made for gaming in mind! They serve for different purposes!
- Most of “regular gamers” back then did not even dream to OWN such hardware... it was too expensive, totally different league...
- I used Windows98SE, DUAL cpus won’t work properly here.

feipoa wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't have the AGP cards you used for testing. I have the Ti 4400, not 4600. I have a Quadro FX3000, not FX 5950. Similar, but not quite there. I have a GT6600, GT6800 and a 7900GS though.

Don’t wory 😉 If you realny want to help, you can use any of those cards who are in my possesion right now. (the list was updated in may so it is not complete) I will redo some tests with the card/cards you picked 😀

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Aliance Promotion 3D 4 MB PCI(Extended)
Aliance Promotion 3D 4 MB PCI

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XGI Volari V3 128 MB AGP
XGI Volari V3 128 MB AGP (Different Cooler)

XGI Volari V8 256 MB AGP (Fic)

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Cirrus Logic Laguna 3D (CL-GD5464) 2 MB PCI (USA)
Cirrus Logic Laguna 3D (CL-GD5464) 4 MB PCI (ExpertColor)
Cirrus Logic Laguna 3D (CL-GD5464) 4 MB PCI (CREATIVE)
Cirrus Logic Laguna 3D (CL-GD5464) 4 MB PCI (Reference)

Cirrus Logic Laguna 3D (CL-GD5465) 2 MB AGP (ProLink)
Cirrus Logic Laguna 3D (CL-GD5465) 4 MB AGP (Reference)

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Chromatic Research Mpact! ? MB AGP (STB)

Chromatic Research Mpact 2! 4 MB AGP (STB)
Chromatic Research Mpact 2! 8 MB AGP (STB)
Chromatic Research Mpact 2! 8 MB AGP (Leadtek)
Chromatic Research Mpact 2! 8 MB AGP (JoyMedia BOX!)
Chromatic Research Mpact 2! 8 MB AGP (STB)
Chromatic Research Mpact 2! 8 MB PCI

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Number Nine ReVolution 3D PCI 4 MB
Number Nine Revolution 3D AGP 4 MB
Number Nine Revolution 3D 2x on one PCB PCI

Number Nine Revolution IV 16 MB AGP
Number Nine Revolution IV 32 MB AGP
Number Nine Revolution IV 32 MB PCI

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Intel I740 8 MB AGP (Gainward)
Intel I740 8 MB AGP (Asus)
Intel I740 8 MB AGP (Diamond)
Intel I740 8 MB AGP (Hercules Terminator)
Intel I740 8 MB AGP (no name)
Intel I740 8 MB AGP (no name)

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Trident 3D Image 9750 4 MB AGP (GAINWARD)
Trident 3D Image 9750 4 MB AGP (SG GREEN)
Trident 3D Image 9750 4 MB AGP (SD YEllow)
Trident 3D Image 9750 PCI (GREEN AGP)
Trident 3D Image 9750 AGP (EDO RAM AGP)

Trident 3D Image 9850 4 MB AGP

Trident Blade 3D 9880 8 MB AGP
Trident Blade 3D 9880 8 MB AGP (GREEN AGP)
Trident Blade 3D 9880 8 MB PCI

Trident BLADE T64 AGP (9970) 32 MB AGP
Trident BLADE T64 AGP (9970) 16 MB AGP

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Rendition Verite V1000 2 MB PCI (Creative)
Rendition Verite V1000 2 MB PCI (MiroMedia)

Rendition Verite V2100 4 MB PCI (Diamond)
Rendition Verite V2200 8 MB PCI (Hercules)
Rendition Verite v2200 8 MB AGP (Hercules Thriller 3D)
Rendition Verite V2200 8 MB AGP (QDI Legend)
Rendition Verite V2200 8 MB AGP (Low PROFILE Green PCB)
Rendition Verite V2200 8 MB AGP (LOW PROFILE Yellow PCB)
Rendition Verite V2200 4 MB AGP (LOW PROFILE Yellow PCB)
Rendition Verite V2200 8 MB PCI (Low Profile Yellow PCB)

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3DLabs GLiNT 300SX PCI (NEC)
3DLABS GLiNT MX + GLINT Delta 24 MB PCI (ELSA GLoria-L/MX 816)

3DLABS Permedia 1 4 MB PCI (PowerColor)
3DLABS Permedia 1 8 MB PCI (PowerColor extended ram)
3DLABS Permedia 1 8 MB PCI (Leadtek extended ram)

3DLABS Permedia 2 8 MB AGP (Diamond)
3DLABS Permedia 2 8 MB PCI (Diamond broken screen)
3DLABS Permedia 2 8 MB PCI (Creative)

3DLABS Permedia 2V 8 MB PCI

3DLABS Oxygen GMX AGP 32 MB

3DLABS Oxygen VX1 16 MB AGP 2 x (NO BOOT?)
3DLABS Oxygen VX1 32 MB AGP

3DLabs Wildcat VP560
3DLabs Wildcat VP970 256 MB AGP
3DLabs Wildcat VP990 Pro VP990 512 MB AGP

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PowerVR PCX1 4 MB PCI (NEC PC 3D)
PowerVR PCX1 4 MB PCI (Videologic Apocalypse 3D)

PowerVR PCX2 4 MB PCI (MATROX M3D)

PowerVR PMX1 32MB PCI (Videologic Neon250)
PowerVR PMX1 32MB AGP (Videologic Neon250) Broken 3D!

PowerVR Kyro1 32 MB PCI (Hercules)
PowerVR Kyro1 32 MB AGP (Hercules)
PowerVR Kyro1 64 MB PCI (Hercules)
PowerVR Kyro1 64 MB AGP (Hercules)
PowerVR Kyro1 32 MB AGP (Innovision)
PowerVR Kyro1 64 MB AGP (PowerColor)

PowerVR Kyro2 32 MB AGP (Hercules)
PowerVR Kyro2 64 MB AGP (Hercules)

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SiS 6326 4 MB PCI
SiS 6326 8 MB AGP (GREEN SDRAM)
SiS 6326 8 MB AGP (Yellow EDO RAM)
SiS 6326 AGP (Diamond A50)
SiS 6326 AGP (Diamond A70)

SiS 300 16 MB AGP (Leadtek)
SiS 300 32 MB AGP
SiS 300 64 MB AGP (HIS - Dual VGA)
SiS 300 64 MB AGP (PowerColor - DFP)

SiS 305 16 MB PCI (Green)
SiS 305 (ECS)
SiS 305 AGP (ASUS)

SiS 315 64 MB AGP 128 bit (ECS)
SiS 315 32 MB AGP (Blue PCB, TV out)
SiS 315 64 MB AGP 64 bit (Blue PCB)

SiS Xabre 80 (Triplex)

SiS Xabre 200 32 MB AGP (ECS red)
SiS Xabre 200 64 MB AGP (Elitegroup yellow)

SiS Xabre 400 64 MB AGP (Soltek)
SiS Xabre 400 64 MB AGP (DFI)
SiS Xabre 400 64 MB AGP (Triplex)
SiS Xabre 400 128 Mb AGP (Joytech APOLLO)

SiS Xabre 600 64 MB AGP (Soltek)

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Matrox Millenium I (R2 1995 LONG extended-broken?)
Matrox Millenium I (R2 1995 short - no second old VGA not ext.)
Matrox Millenium I (R3 1996 short Compaq not ext.)
Matrox Millenium I (R3 1996 LONG not ext.)

Matrox Mystique I 2 MB PCI (1996)
Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB PCI (1997)

Matrox Millenium II 8 MB PCI (Extended 1997)
Matrox Millenium II 4 MB? AGP!!!
Matrox Millenium II 8 MB AGP!!! (Extended)

Matrox G2+ MMS QUAD

Matrox G100 SGR AGP (1998)
Matrox G100 SDR AGP (1998)

Matrox G200 SDR AGP (1998)
Matrox G200 SDR PCI (1998)

Matrox G400 16 MB SDR AGP (1999)
Matrox G400 16 MB SGR AGP (1999)
Matrox G400 16 MB SGR AGP Dual Head (1999)
Matrox G400 32 MB SGR AGP Dual Head (1999)
Matrox G400 MAX 32 MB SGR AGP (1999 REV A)
Matrox G400 MAX 32 MB SGR AGP (1999 REV B)

Matrox G450 32 MB SGR AGP (2000)
Matrox G450 32 MB SGR PCI (2000)

Matrox G550 32 MB SGR AGP (2001)

Matrox Parhelia 512 128 MB AGP 4x (2002)
Matrox Parhelia 512 128 MB AGP 8X (2002)

Matrox G750 64 MB BGA AGP 8x (2002)

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S3 Virge 2 MB PCI (GAINWARD)
S3 Virge 2 MB PCI (Diamond)
S3 Virge 4 MB PCI (Diamond)

S3 Virge/DX 2 MB PCI (GAINWARD)
S3 Virge/DX 2 MB PCI (Hercules)
S3 Virge/DX 4 MB PCI (Tornado)

S3 Virge/VX 2 MB PCI (Miro)
S3 Virge/VX 4 MB PCI (ELSA)
S3 Virge/VX 4 MB PCI (Diamond)

S3 Virge/GX 2 MB PCI (Compaq)

S3 Virge/GX2 2 MB AGP (Diamond)
S3 Virge/GX2 4 MB AGP (Green)
S3 Virge/GX2 4 MB AGP (Yellow)
S3 Virge/GX2 PCI (Gainward - broken)
S3 Virge/GX2 PCI (2theMAX)

S3 Trio 3D 4 MB AGP (GAINWARD)
S3 Trio 3D 4 MB AGP (Hercules) - no boot...
S3 Trio 3D 4 MB AGP (green s3)
S3 Trio 3D 4 MB AGP (Viewtop)
S3 Trio 3D 4 MB AGP (Daytona)

S3 Trio 3D/2x 4 MB AGP (GAINWARD)
S3 Trio 3D/2x 4 MB SDR AGP (Diamond)
S3 Trio 3D/2x 4 MB SGR AGP (Green s3)
S3 Trio 3D/2x 4 MB SDR AGP (Yellow)

S3 Savage 3D 8 MB AGP (SDR Hercules)
S3 Savage 3D 8 MB AGP (SGR ViewTop)
S3 Savage 3D 8 MB AGP (SDR Yellow s3)
S3 Savage 3D 8 MB AGP (SGR Green)
S3 Savage 3D 8 MB AGP (SDR Sparkle)

S3 Savage 4 8 MB AGP (Number Nine)
S3 Savage 4 8 MB AGP (Diamond S520)
S3 Savage 4 8 MB PCI (Diamond S530) BOX SEALED
S3 Savage 4 8 MB AGP (Diamond A200)
S3 Savage 4 16 MB AGP (Diamond A90)
S3 Savage 4 AGP2x (Diamond S540)
S3 Savage 4 16 MB Dual GPU PCI (Datapath)
S3 Savage 4 16 MB AGP (Innovision)
S3 Savage 4 32 MB AGP (Innovision)
S3 Savage 4 32 MB AGP (Gainward)

S3 Savage 4 EXTREME AGP 4x 32 MB (Diamond S540)

S3 Savage IX 8 MB AGP (BOX)

S3 Savage 2000 32 MB AGP (Diamond Viper II Z200)
S3 Savage 2000 32 MB AGP (Innovision - Yellow)
S3 Savage 2000 64 MB AGP (Manli - Blue)

S3 Delta Chrome S8 128 MB AGP (Club 3D)
S3 Delta Chrome S8 256 MB AGP (Club 3D)

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ATI Rage 3D 1998 - USA
ATI Rage 3D 1995 - Poland

ATI Rage II 2 MB PCI
ATI Rage II 4 MB PCI (Extended)

ATI Rage 2+DVD 2MB PCI
ATI Rage IIC 2 MB AGP (EDO)
ATI Rage IIC 4 MB AGP

ATI Rage Pro 4 MB PCI (Extended)
ATI Rago Pro 4 MB AGP 2x (EDO RAM)
ATI Rago Pro 8 MB AGP 2x (SGR EXTENDED)
ATI Rage PRO TURBO 8 MB AGP

ATI Rage LT 8 MB AGP
ATI Rage XT 8 MB AGP (L Shaped)

ATI Rage 128 SDR 16 MB AGP
ATI Rage 128 SGR 16 MB AGP
ATI Rage 128 SDR 32 MB AGP L shaped (64 bit)

ATI Rage 128PRO 32 MB SDRAM AGP
ATI Rage 128PRO 32 MB SGRAM AGP
ATI Rage 128PRO 32 MB SDRAM AGP L shaped (64 bit)
ATI Rage 128PROx2 64 MB AGP (Rage Fury MAXX)

ATI Radeon 7000 PCI (SAPHIRE)
ATI Radeon 7000 32 MB AGP
ATI Radeon 7200 SDR 32 MB AGP
ATI Radeon 7200 DDR 34 MB AGP (SG?)
ATI Radeon 7200 DDR 64 MB AGP (SD)
ATI Radeon 7500 64 MB AGP
ATI Radeon 7500 64 MB AGP (Hercules)
ATI Radeon 7500 64MB PCI (Green HP)

ATI Radeon 8500LE 128 MB (Hercules)
ATI Radeon 8500 64 MB AGP
ATI Radeon 8500 128 MB (Hercules)

ATI Radeon 9000 128 MB (Hercules)
ATI Radeon 9000 PRO 128 MB (Hercules)
ATI Radeon 9100 128 MB (Hercules)
ATI Radeon 9200 128MB (Hercules)
ATI Radeon 9200 PCI (SAPHIRE)

ATI Radeon 9500 PRO 128 MB
ATI Radeon 9600 256 MB (Hercules)
ATI Radeon 97OO TX 128 MB
ATI Radeon 9700 128 MB
ATI Radeon 9700 PRO 128 MB (Hercules)
ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB
ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB (Hercules)

ATI Radeon X800 GTO 256 MB AGP
ATI Radeon X850 PRO 256 MB AGP

ATI Radeon X1950 PRO 512 MB AGP

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3DFX VooDoo 1 4 MB (Diamond Rev E 1997)
3DFX VooDoo 1 4 MB (Diamond Rev B 1997)
3DFX VooDoo 1 4 MB (Orchid)
3DFX VooDoo 1 4 MB (A-Trend Green)
3DFX VooDoo 1 4 MB (A-Trend Black)
3DFX VooDoo 1 4 MB (Guillemot MAXI GAMER Brown or Typhoon 3D MAX)
3DFX VooDoo 1 4 MB (Gainward)
3DFX VooDoo 1 4 MB (InnoVision Green)
3DFX VooDoo 1 6 MB (MiroMedia)

3DFX VooDoo Rush 6 MB (Atrend) - Aliance chip for 2D
3DFX VooDoo Rush 4 MB (Britek ViewTOP) - Aliance chip for 2D
3DFX VooDoo Rush 4 MB (Hercules Sandwitch) - Aliance chip for 2D
3DFX Voodoo Rush 6 MB (Apollo Joytech BOX) - Macronix chip for 2D

3DFX VooDoo II 8 MB (Diamond)
3DFX VooDoo II 12 MB (Diamond)
3DFX VooDoo II 12 MB (Creative)
3DFX VooDoo II 12 MB (Gainward 100 MHZ) x2 (SLI)
3DFX VooDoo II 12 MB (Gainward 110 MHZ) x2 (SLI)
3DFX VooDoo II 8 MB (A-Trend VD200P)
3DFX VooDoo II 12 MB (PowerColor 90 mhz 1 side 12 mb 600-0027-02-B) +
3DFX VooDoo II 12 MB (PowerColor Evil King 100 mhz)

3DFX VooDoo Banshee 16 MB AGP (Diamond)
3DFX VooDoo Banshee 16 MB PCI (Diamond)
3DFX VooDoo Banshee 16 MB AGP (Creative)
3DFX VooDoo Banshee 16 MB PCI (Creative))
3DFX VooDoo Banshee 16 MB AGP (Gainward)
3DFX VooDoo Banshee 16 MB PCI (Gainward)
3DFX VooDoo Banshee 8 MB AGP (ASUS)
3DFX VooDoo Banshee 16 MB AGP (ASUS)
3DFX VooDoo Banshee 16 MB AGP (Gigabyte)

3DFX Velocity 100 8 MB AGP
3DFX VooDoo 3 1000 16 MB AGP
3DFX VooDoo 3 2000 16 MB AGP
3DFX VooDoo 3 2000 16 MB AGP (Sigma)
3DFX VooDoo 3 2000 16 MB AGP (Garnet)
3DFX VooDoo 3 2000 16 MB PCI (SDRAM)
3DFX VooDoo 3 2000 16 MB PCI (SGRAM)
3DFX VooDoo 3 3000 16 MB AGP
3DFX VooDoo 3 3000 16 MB PCI (SDRAM)
3DFX VooDoo 3 3000 16 MB PCI (SGRAM)
3DFX VooDoo 3 3500 16 MB AGP (HP - NO TV)
3DFX VooDoo 3 3500 16 MB AGP (TV out)

3DFX VooDoo 4 4500 32 MB AGP (Hyundai RAM)
3DFX VooDoo 4 4500 32 MB PCI

3DFX VooDoo 5 5500 64 MB AGP (REV 2300-Hyundai RAM)
3DFX VooDoo 5 5500 64 MB AGP (REV 2100-Toshiba RAM)
3DFX VooDoo 5 5500 64 MB PCI
3DFX VooDoo 5 5500 64 MB MAC

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nVidia NV1 (Diamond Edge 3D 2200)

nVidia RIVA 128 4 MB PCI (Diamond)
nVidia RIVA 128 4 MB AGP (Diamond)
nVidia RIVA 128 4 MB PCI (STB)
nVidia RIVA 128 4 MB PCI (Elsa)
nVidia RIVA 128 4 MB PCI (ASUS)
nVidia RIVA 128 4 MB AGP (ASUS)

nVidia RIVA 128 ZX 8 MB AGP (STB)
nVidia RIVA 128 ZX 8 MB AGP (ASUS) SDRAM
nVidia RIVA 128 ZX 8 MB AGP (ASUS) SGRAM
nVidia RIVA 128 ZX 8 MB AGP (Creative)

nVidia RIVA TNT 16 MB AGP (Diamond)
nVidia RIVA TNT 16 MB PCI (Diamond)
nVidia RIVA TNT 16 MB AGP (STB)
nVidia RIVA TNT 16 MB PCI (STB)
nVidia RIVA TNT 16 MB AGP (ASUS SGR)
nVidia RIVA TNT 8 MB AGP (ASUS SGR)
nVidia RIVA TNT 16 MB AGP (Creative)
nVidia RIVA TNT 16 MB AGP (Gainward)
nVidia RIVA TNT 16 MB AGP (Leadtek)
nVidia RIVA TNT 16 MB AGP (AAVID FAN msi)

nVidia Vanta LT 8MB (low profile agp 2x)
nVidia VANTA AGP (ASUS)
nVidia VANTA PCI (Creative)
nVidia VANTA AGP 16MB (Gainward)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 M64 PCI (ProLink)
nvidia RIVA TNT2 M64 (GAINWARD)
nvidia RIVA TNT2 M64 (Leadtek)

nVidia RIVA TNT2 32 MB AGP (Diamond)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 32 MB PCI (ASUS)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 32 MB AGP (ASUS)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 32 MB AGP (Leadtek SD)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 32 MB AGP (Leadtek SG)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 32 MB AGP (Gainward)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 32 MB AGP (powercolor? SGRAM)

nVidia RIVA TNT2 PRO 32 MB AGP (ELSA)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 PRO 32 MB AGP (Gainward)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 PRO "marked ULTRA" 32 MB AGP (Innovision)

nVidia RIVA TNT2 ULTRA 32 MB AGP (ASUS)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 ULTRA 32 MB AGP (Creative)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 ULTRA 32 MB AGP (Diamond)
nVidia RIVA TNT2 ULTRA 32 MB AGP (Hercules)

nVidia GeForce 256 SDR AGP (ASUS)
nVidia GeForce 256 SDR AGP (Guillemot)
nVidia GeForce 256 SDR AGP (Creative)
nVidia GeForce 256 DDR AGP (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce 256 DDR AGP (Creative)

nVidia GeForce 2 GTS AGP (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce 2 GTS AGP (ASUS)
nVidia GeForce 2 GTS AGP (Guillemont)
nVidia GeForce 2 PRO AGP (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce 2 PRO AGP (MSI)
nVidia GeForce 2 PRO AGP (Gainward)

nVidia GeForce 2 ULTRA AGP (ASUS)
nVidia GeForce 2 ULTRA AGP (Hercules)
nVidia GeForce 2 ULTRA AGP (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce 2 ULTRA AGP (ELSA)

nVidia GeForce 2 Ti AGP (ASUS)
nVidia GeForce 2 Ti AGP (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce 2 Ti AGP (Hercules)
nVidia GeForce 2 Ti AGP

Nvidia Geforce 2 MX 16MB(ASUS)
nVidia GeForce 2 MX PCI (Creative)
nVidia GeForce 2 MX AGP (MSI)
nVidia GeForce 2 MX AGP (Leadtek) Dual Head
nVidia GeForce 2 MX AGP (Leadtek) Low Profile
nVidia GeForce 2 MX AGP (Hercules) Low Profile
nVidia GeForce 2 MX 100 AGP (MSI)
nVidia GeForce 2 MX 200 AGP
nVidia GeForce 2 MX 400 AGP
nVidia GeForce 2 MX 400 AGP (ASUS)
nVidia GeForce 2 MX 400 AGP (Gainward)

nVidia GeForce 3 64 MB (ASUS black)
nVidia GeForce 3 Ti 200 64 MB (Creative)
nVidia GeForce 3 Ti 200 128 MB (MSI)
nVidia GeForce 3 Ti 500 64 MB (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce 3 Ti 500 64 MB (ELSA)
nVidia GeForce 3 Ti 500 64 MB (ASUS black)

nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64 MB (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4200 128 MB (MSI GREEN PCB)
nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64 MB (MSI RED PCB)
nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4400 128 MB (MSI)
nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4600 128 MB (ASUS)
nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4600 128 MB (Creative)
nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4600 128 MB (Albatron)

nVidia GeForce 4 MX 420
nVidia GeForce 4 MX 440 (Soltek)
nVidia GeForce 4 MX 440 (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce 4 MX 440 (ASUS)
nVidia GeForce 4 MX 460 (ASUS)
nVidia GeForce 4 MX 460 (MSI red)
nVidia GeForce 4 MX 460 (MEDION green)

nVidia GeForce FX 5200 (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce FX 5200 PCI (Gainward)
nVidia GeForce FX 5900 (ASUS)
nVidia GeForce FX 5950 ULTRA (MSI)

nVidia GeForce 6200 (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce 6800 128 MB (Leadtek)
nVidia GeForce 6800 XT 128 MB (Galaxy)
nVidia GeForce 6800 GT 256 MB (Aeolus)
nVidia GeForce 6800 GT 256 MB

nVidia GeForce 7950 GX2

nVidia Quadro 2 MXR (MSI)
nVidia Quadro 2 PRO (ELSA)
nVidia Quadro DCC (ELSA)

Garrett W wrote:

Amazing work in this thread OP! But, if I may suggest, I have some readability concerns that would vanish if you put thumbnails linking to the image in your posts instead of the full image or if you put an imgur link to the images. As it is, it is a little hard to follow!
Don't mean to shit on your parade though, this is a lot of work and it is very interesting. For one, for me it completely clears the mystery between 440BX, i815 and Apollo Pro 133A, 5 frames per second on average don't really make much of a difference for me 😀.

Thank you 😀 I am glad you enjoyed it.
When it comes to the pictures and their size – they are exactly the way that I want them to be 😀 Perfect for my screen’s resolution. When I take a look at a particular chart I see only one chart 😁 That was the plan, but I am aware some people use lower resolutions.... then you shuold buy a new screen 😜

TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT!

Plans for this year:
- finish Testing on Windows XP with Tualeron (100FSB) @1400 MHz with DIFFERNT video cards
- Test other chipsets on SL6BY that do not have AGP slot (using a PCI video card)

Plans for 2020:
- Test i840 and ServerSet... if I find any for cheap money 😉
- test ALL possible motherbards by ASUS and ABIT with all possible chipsets.

Plans for the rest of my life...
- TEST EACH SINGLE SLOT1/SOCKET 370 MOTHERBOARD by all possible manufacturer that were ever made 😜
I know that it sounds crazy, but I hope I will find support here, and more people will join to present their results 😉

There are mainly 4 requirments:
1 use SL6BY with 512 MB RAM.
2 use one of the grapaphics cards I used with the same drivers that I used.
3 use win98SE with SP2.
4 use the same AGP/Chipset drivers that I used.

I think a lot of peole have this CPU and the cards used for testing are pretty common (who doesn’t have a Voodoo 5 5500 AGP? ) For other tests I also use:
- ATI Radeon 9700 PRO AGP by Hercules
- GeForce 6 6800 XT by Galaxy (3,3/1,5V) - so it works on i440BX 😉
- GeForce 5 5500 PCI (128BIT)

Who wants to join in then? 😜

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Reply 33 of 52, by spiroyster

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For funzzies... I wonder how the latency of an SGI visual workstation compares to other PIII boards. It's got no discrete graphics and can only do OpenGL, but it's raw bandwidth was phenomenal for the time, so might be interesting to see how that aspect compares. It's limited to 100Mhz fsb though, which could be a show stopper.

Reply 34 of 52, by slivercr

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VooDooMan wrote:
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TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT!

...

Plans for 2020:
- Test i840 and ServerSet... if I find any for cheap money 😉
- test ALL possible motherbards by ASUS and ABIT with all possible chipsets.

...

Who wants to join in then? 😜

My "main" W98/W2000 computer is in my signature, its based on the i840 and I will gladly test it for you. It will have to be in about a month or so, though: currently I'm on holidays and when I return home it'll be a bit hectic with a lot of things to do before I can retro-tinker again.

How about setting up a repository somewhere with all the software you used (w98 image, drivers, benchmarks, etc)? This way people that want to test can produce results that are somewhat consistent with yours.

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Reply 35 of 52, by silikone

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I thought the same or maybe that is just some Intel optimatisation for those chips? I815 is also doing great here... besides I think that Half-Life is not the most reliable benchmark for video cards 😉

Whatever the cause, its lead is pretty consistent with both PCI cards. It seems like everything suffers without AGP, but i8xx just suffers less. I wonder if it potentially benefits from a full 66 MHz bus speed?

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Reply 36 of 52, by feipoa

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Don’t wory 😉 If you realny want to help, you can use any of those cards who are in my possesion right now. (the list was updated in may so it is not complete) I will redo some tests with the card/cards you picked 😀

I will use the Ti 4400. The card I have is also from MSI. But I don't think I have Win98SE installed on the HE-SL system, only NT4, W2K, W2K3, and XP. The 266T system has NT4, W98SE, W2K, and XP. So, I can use W2K or XP for the tests.

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Reply 37 of 52, by VooDooMan

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spiroyster wrote:

For funzzies... I wonder how the latency of an SGI visual workstation compares to other PIII boards. It's got no discrete graphics and can only do OpenGL, but it's raw bandwidth was phenomenal for the time, so might be interesting to see how that aspect compares. It's limited to 100Mhz fsb though, which could be a show stopper.

No it won't 😀 I am also testing on Tualeron 1400 MHz 😉 but it will take some time till I publish the results...

slivercr wrote:

My "main" W98/W2000 computer is in my signature, its based on the i840 and I will gladly test it for you. It will have to be in about a month or so, though: currently I'm on holidays and when I return home it'll be a bit hectic with a lot of things to do before I can retro-tinker again.

That sound AWESOME! Will you be able to make those tests with the same CPU that I used? 😜 Don't worry about the time, it is the least important factor right now.

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How about setting up a repository somewhere with all the software you used (w98 image, drivers, benchmarks, etc)? This way people that want to test can produce results that are somewhat consistent with yours.

That's a great idea! I will try to do that on Monday 😉 But I have some concerns... not all of those files are legal I think so it might be a problem for some people here...

silikone wrote:

I wonder if it potentially benefits from a full 66 MHz bus speed?

Maybe you are right, but to confirm that theory I will have to make more tests on PCI cards 😉

feipoa wrote:

I will use the Ti 4400. The card I have is also from MSI. But I don't think I have Win98SE installed on the HE-SL system, only NT4, W2K, W2K3, and XP. The 266T system has NT4, W98SE, W2K, and XP. So, I can use W2K or XP for the tests.

Ok, so I will make some tests on Ti4400 as well 😀 I think XP will be the best of you don't have win98se 😉

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Reply 38 of 52, by spiroyster

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VooDooMan wrote:
spiroyster wrote:

For funzzies... I wonder how the latency of an SGI visual workstation compares to other PIII boards. It's got no discrete graphics and can only do OpenGL, but it's raw bandwidth was phenomenal for the time, so might be interesting to see how that aspect compares. It's limited to 100Mhz fsb though, which could be a show stopper.

No it won't 😀 I am also testing on Tualeron 1400 MHz 😉 but it will take some time till I publish the results...

Good stuff... my 320 has dual Katmai @500, given the rise in price for SL4KL or Tualitin + Powerleap, I doubt it would ever have that hardware inserted into it 🤣

I do have a SGI 540 maxed out with 4 x Xeon P3's (SL4XZ) though 😉... maybe see how that fairs against the 320, and thus others.