I ran the same CPUZ_w95 files on the NexGen with NT 3.51. Lots of errors.

But it continued to run.

Benchmarks were:
CPU: 117.9
FPU: 541.2
so, a bit faster than the Win95c results from the previous post.

Thanks feipoa.

I updated to report more information on the Nx586, but only for Win95 atm. The NT driver includes a function that is not present in WinNT, and that prevents the driver from loading. I'll install NT to fix that issue.
Under win95 the new version should show the core clock, supposely 102 MHz on the PF110 if I'm correct, but some tuning may be necessary to get the right value (I'm using the 386 instructions timings).

http://download.cpuid.com/betas/cpuz_w95.zip

Once again I can't find the right documentation that would allow to extract the information from the PCI registers (L2 size, memory timings ...). The only one I found is the Nx586/Nx587 databook from 94 :
https://usermanual.wiki/Document/DxDOCDB00101 … pr94.3281539027
But no register description is included.

The crash w/o IDON.COM is more worrying. Visual 6 allows to change the instruction set used for the compilation :

Could it solve the problem by using a pure 386 instruction set instead of Blend ?

For NexGen information, I suggest you contact the guy who compiled this website, https://www.memotech.franken.de/NexGen/
He goes by mtx500 on the CPU-World forum.

I can try a pure 386 instruction set if you want to compile it for that. Might fix the issue, might not. Generally, it would be nice not to use IDON.COM as it can cause issues with other programs, but if some program doesn't work naturally, I load IDON.COM, then run the program.

Do you want me to try cpuz_w95 again on NexGen in Windows 95? And which version of CPU-Z is to be used for NT4 on a 486 or NexGen? Is that the same version that hopefully will work with NT 3.51?

feipoa wrote:

Attached is the report for a NexGen PF110 running Windows 95c.

Wow, I has never heard of this CPU! I develop SIV and would like to add support, please will you help me?

To do this download SIV 5.40 (http://rh-software.com/downloads/zip/siv_v5.40.zip) or later, run SIV32L.exe and send me the save file (Menu->File->Save Local). SIV32L.exe should work on both NT 3.51 and W95.

Once I get the save file I will update SIV and release a 5.41 Beta which should do better.

CuPid, attached is the report from NexGen PF110 for your latest cpuz_w95.zip file.

I noticed that the benchmark result is not consistent when refreshing.

CPU Speed variance: 108.0, 109.7, 107.9
CPU Speed variance: 502.4, 496.3, 496.2

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feipoa wrote:

Attached is the report for a NexGen PF110 running Windows 95c.

Wow, I has never heard of this CPU! I develop SIV and would like to add support, please will you help me?

To do this download SIV 5.40 (http://rh-software.com/downloads/zip/siv_v5.40.zip) or later, run SIV32L.exe and send me the save file (Menu->File->Save Local). SIV32L.exe should work on both NT 3.51 and W95.

Once I get the save file I will update SIV and release a 5.41 Beta which should do better.

Oh nice, I've been using SIV on my 486 w/NT4 for a long time now. It was one of the only detailed information programs I could find which would run well on this older hardware. I'll run SIV32L on NT 3.51 and w95c and send the report shortly.

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For NexGen information, I suggest you contact the guy who compiled this website, https://www.memotech.franken.de/NexGen/ He goes […]
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For NexGen information, I suggest you contact the guy who compiled this website, https://www.memotech.franken.de/NexGen/
He goes by mtx500 on the CPU-World forum.

I can try a pure 386 instruction set if you want to compile it for that. Might fix the issue, might not. Generally, it would be nice not to use IDON.COM as it can cause issues with other programs, but if some program doesn't work naturally, I load IDON.COM, then run the program.

Do you want me to try cpuz_w95 again on NexGen in Windows 95? And which version of CPU-Z is to be used for NT4 on a 486 or NexGen? Is that the same version that hopefully will work with NT 3.51?

Thanks feipoa.
The missing function (PsGetVersion) does only concern NT 3.51, so it should work ok on NT 4.0 (unless another function is missing !)

The bench variations are due to Win9x. It is almost impossible not to get interrupted, unless the code runs at the OS level (VxD), that is not the case of the bench.

Edit : still missed the clock, I posted a fix.
http://download.cpuid.com/betas/cpuz_w95.zip

red-ray, does SIV32L also work on a 386, SXL2-66, or IBM BL3-75? Attached is the report for Windows 95c. SIV32L also required me to run IDON.COM.

EDIT:
SIV32L will not run on NT 3.51 with the NexGen. See attachment below.

CuPid wrote:

Edit : still missed the clock, I posted a fix.
http://download.cpuid.com/betas/cpuz_w95.zip

Attached. Core speed comes up as 144.5 MHz. Should be 102 MHz (2x51).

feipoa wrote:

red-ray, does SIV32L also work on a 386, SXL2-66, or IBM BL3-75? Attached is the report for Windows 95c.

Thank you and I suspect the reason you need to run IDON.COM is down to what SHLWAPI.dll does. I am unsure about how to address this and will have a ponder.

SIV made a valiant attempt, but W95 reported the CPU as a 386 which confused SIV. I have made some adjustments and the attached should do rather better, does it?

It's possible the reported speed may be incorrect as I am unsure how many cycles AAM takes so I guessed @ 15, what does Menu->Help->Conversions->CPU MHz report? Once I see this I will be able to fix things.

If you run on NT 3.51 then SIV should report rather more such as your G200 GPU clocks and may even report the disk SMART information.

As for the other systems then with a bit of luck SIV should work and if it doesn't I will try and fix things, please use the 5.41 Beta. How much memory do the other systems have? I suspect SIV needs >= 32MB, but if you delete PCIDEVS.txt it may be OK with 16MB.

red-ray wrote:

If you run on NT 3.51 then SIV should report rather more such as your G200 GPU clocks and may even report the disk SMART information.

I'm confused by this answer. I pasted a screenshot showing that NT 3.51 will not run on the NexGen. See screenshot above. Perhaps you didn't refresh the thread before replying.

red-ray wrote:

As for the other systems then with a bit of luck SIV should work and if it doesn't I will try and fix things, please use the 5.41 Beta. How much memory do the other systems have? I suspect SIV needs >= 32MB, but if you delete PCIDEVS.txt it may be OK with 16MB.

There is only one NexGen system. It dual-boots between WinNT 3.51 and Win95c. So both systems, since they contain the same hardware, have 192 MB of RAM. The beta attachment you provided is for NT 3.51 or Win95c?

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red-ray wrote:

If you run on NT 3.51 then SIV should report rather more such as your G200 GPU clocks and may even report the disk SMART information.

I'm confused by this answer. I pasted a screenshot showing that NT 3.51 will not run on the NexGen. See screenshot above. Perhaps you didn't refresh the thread before replying.

red-ray wrote:

As for the other systems then with a bit of luck SIV should work and if it doesn't I will try and fix things, please use the 5.41 Beta. How much memory do the other systems have? I suspect SIV needs >= 32MB, but if you delete PCIDEVS.txt it may be OK with 16MB.

There is only one NexGen system. It dual-boots between WinNT 3.51 and Win95c. So both systems, since they contain the same hardware, have 192 MB of RAM. The beta attachment you provided is for NT 3.51 or Win95c?

I started answering before you edited the post. I am wondering how far it gets, please do SIV32L -DBGINI which should generate SIV_DBGOUT.log. Is there a Dr Watson log file I can get?

Any SIV32L.exe should work on both W9x + NT 3.51 and later, it even works on my W10 x64 system, but only reports 32 of the 32 CPUs.

Alright, let me check that NT 3.51 startup flag. NT3.51 doesn't have the IDON.COM program to do its thing, but I also tried using Alternate Instructions in the BIOS, but SIV32L still did not work with NT 3.51/NexGen.

Here is the speed report you asked for from Win95c/NexGen

For NT 3.51:

SIV_DBGOUT.log was not generated in the SIV folder. I'm using the original version you posted, not the beta for NT.

Log from the Event Viewer is attached.

Pentium Pro here, hope it helps.

Thanks jheronimus.
What scores do you get at the bench ?

CuPid wrote:

386 class processors are supported in theory, but only a few 386 users run windows 95, so I did not get very deep into that, except for 486DLC/SXL.

Would you be interested in that? I have a Am386DX-40, 486DLC-40 and Cx387-40 FPU options for motherboard, that has 256kB cache with write-back.

GigAHerZ wrote:

CuPid wrote:

386 class processors are supported in theory, but only a few 386 users run windows 95, so I did not get very deep into that, except for 486DLC/SXL.

Would you be interested in that? I have a Am386DX-40, 486DLC-40 and Cx387-40 FPU options for motherboard, that has 256kB cache with write-back.

yes I'm definitely interested.

@CuPid, okay, i'll try to find some time during this week to install win95 on it and then run the cpu-z. 😀
Any particular setups you are interested? With/Without FPU, cache, write-back cache, etc?

GigAHerZ wrote:

@CuPid, okay, i'll try to find some time during this week to install win95 on it and then run the cpu-z. 😀
Any particular setups you are interested? With/Without FPU, cache, write-back cache, etc?

Concerning the detection, both the DX and the DLC are interesting, to check if the CPUs are well recognized and if the clocks are good.
The FPU will allow to get a FP score in the bench.
But the app won't be able to read the on-board cache tho, only PCI mainboards are supported.