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First post, by DCG Retrowave

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I haven't spent much time with Windows 95 over the years so I decided to install 95C on my Dell Dimension XPS T700r and get some 95 experience (yes, this machine is overkill for 95, but it works so I'm fine with it 😁). I knew I had to install it on something after receiving an original OEM disc for 95C from someone who used to work for a local computer store. Anyway, everything is running smoothly (aside from the Nvidia Control Panel for my Ti 4200 not functioning properly, but I don't know if there's any way to fix that), but I can't get any USB game controllers to work. In Windows 98SE and ME, my PS4 arcade stick works right out of the box and I can use it in pretty much any game I choose, but 95 won't let me choose the HID driver that it gives as an option (it looks like it will, but clicking next just closes the setup wizard). An older USB Logitech gamepad from 2006 also doesn't work. I have the USB supplements installed so I assumed this would be just as easy to set up as it was in 98 and ME (literally just plug and play). Is there an updated generic driver for USB game controllers that I need?

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Reply 1 of 8, by weldum

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windows 95 doesn't support usb out of the box, the supplement gives the system the capability to see and interact with such hardware, but drivers incorporated into it are very basic, hence it causes bugs and doesn't support correctly some hardware that is slightly different to the original spec.
if you want correct usb support there's notting older than 98SE or 2000

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Reply 2 of 8, by DCG Retrowave

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weldum wrote on 2020-03-22, 17:51:

windows 95 doesn't support usb out of the box, the supplement gives the system the capability to see and interact with such hardware, but drivers incorporated into it are very basic, hence it causes bugs and doesn't support correctly some hardware that is slightly different to the original spec.
if you want correct usb support there's notting older than 98SE or 2000

I always knew that USB support was lacking (one of the main reasons why I haven't used 95 much in the past), but I'd at least expect USB game controllers to work since there's a HID driver in 95's database. I have 22 computers so I'm willing to give 95 a chance on a separate hard drive on this PC. I'm pretty sure there were early USB sidewinders that supported 95, right? Maybe the driver for one of those could work? At the very least, maybe it would add better HID support with the driver for my other controllers 😁

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Reply 3 of 8, by weldum

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i really doubt that, the hid driver only supports standard mouse and keyboard, bear in mind that usb was created in 96 but really started to be used in the late 99

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Reply 4 of 8, by DCG Retrowave

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weldum wrote on 2020-03-22, 18:19:

i really doubt that, the hid driver only supports standard mouse and keyboard, bear in mind that usb was created in 96 but really started to be used in the late 99

The HID driver is listed under "Sound, video, and game controllers" so that's why I feel like this should work somehow. I really wish I had bought a Sidewinder gamepad back when my main thrift store had them all the time. Now all they have are USB controllers which I don't need more of 😂 😭

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Reply 5 of 8, by collector

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Reply 7 of 8, by derSammler

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weldum wrote on 2020-03-22, 18:19:

i really doubt that, the hid driver only supports standard mouse and keyboard, bear in mind that usb was created in 96 but really started to be used in the late 99

Microsoft released several USB-based Sidewinder controllers before Win98 was out. So they must work in Win95, otherwise that would have made no sense... I own a SideWinder Precision Pro (rev.2) which came with an USB adapter out-of-the-box. That's from late 1996 or early 1997.

Reply 8 of 8, by GL1zdA

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derSammler wrote on 2020-03-23, 08:00:
weldum wrote on 2020-03-22, 18:19:

i really doubt that, the hid driver only supports standard mouse and keyboard, bear in mind that usb was created in 96 but really started to be used in the late 99

Microsoft released several USB-based Sidewinder controllers before Win98 was out. So they must work in Win95, otherwise that would have made no sense... I own a SideWinder Precision Pro (rev.2) which came with an USB adapter out-of-the-box. That's from late 1996 or early 1997.

Yes, you can use it via GamePort. Here's the relevant KB Article with a compatiblity table:
https://jeffpar.github.io/kbarchive/kb/243/Q243981/

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