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First post, by jasa1063

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I recently put together 3 different Socket 7 systems with 3 different motherboards:

SIS 530 - PC Chips M599LMR
Ali Aladdin V - MSI MS-5169
VIA Apollo MVP3 - Shuttle HOT-597

The MSI and Shuttle boards are both solid and running well. The PC Chips board performance leaves a lot to be desired. My Voodoo 3 2000 PCI runs about 30%-50% slower in the PC Chips board than in the other 2 systems. I put the PC Chips board aside for now. I will only use it as a backup. Stay away from any SIS 530 based boards unless performance is not really an issue. Until I compared the systems, I was shocked at how much slower the SIS 530 based board really was.

Reply 1 of 10, by aha2940

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It would be cool if you posted the tests you did and the results, so that others could join in. I have a socket 7 board with intel 430Tx chipset and a voodoo 3 2000 PCI too, and would like to compare it to your chipsets.

Reply 2 of 10, by jasa1063

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aha2940 wrote on 2020-05-02, 03:17:

It would be cool if you posted the tests you did and the results, so that others could join in. I have a socket 7 board with intel 430Tx chipset and a voodoo 3 2000 PCI too, and would like to compare it to your chipsets.

Here are some results:

PC Chips M599LMR - SIS 530

DOS benchmarks:

3DBench - 421 FPS
Chris's 3D BENCH SVGA - 27 FPS
VSPEED32 - LFB - 30 FPS
Quake 640x480 - 27 FPS

Windows benchmarks:

PC Player 1024x768 16 bit - 88 FPS
GLQuake 800x600 16 bit - 55 FPS
Quake 2 800x600 16 bit - 57 FPS
Quake 3 800x600 16 bit - 62 FPS

Shuttle HOT-579 - VIA Apollo MVP3

DOS benchmarks:

3DBench - 682 FPS
Chris's 3D BENCH SVGA - 52 FPS
VSPEED32 - LFB - 77 FPS
Quake 640x480 - 36 FPS

Windows benchmarks:

PC Player 1024x768 16 bit - 118 FPS
GLQuake 800x600 16 bit - 62 FPS
Quake 2 800x600 16 bit - 74 FPS
Quake 3 800x600 16 bit - 89 FPS

MSI MS-5169 - Ali Aladdin V

3DBench - 662 FPS
Chris's 3D BENCH SVGA - 50 FPS
VSPEED32 - LFB - 72 FPS
Quake 640x480 - 36 FPS

Windows benchmarks:

PC Player 1024x768 16 bit - 110 FPS
GLQuake 800x600 16 bit - 62 FPS
Quake 2 800x600 16 bit - 72 FPS
Quake 3 800x600 16 bit - 88 FPS

Reply 3 of 10, by BinaryDemon

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Just curious, what CPU are you using and all 3 systems have the same amount of cache?

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Reply 4 of 10, by H3nrik V!

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Does the PC Chips have an onboard VGA using system memory, which is not truly disabled, thus eating memory bandwidth?

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Reply 5 of 10, by cyclone3d

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Those results are curios as I always found the Aladdin V chipset to be better than the MVP3 chipset when the Aladdin V board had 512KB cache and the MVP3 board had 1MB cache when both were run at the same speed.

Maybe it is the PCI bus as I always had an AGP video card.

The AGP Voodoo3 is way faster in DOS at least on an Aladdin V board (ASUS P5A-B) then a PCI Voodoo 3 - both the same model. I was using DOOM when I tested.

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Reply 6 of 10, by jasa1063

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All 3 systems were using a K6-III+ clocked at 600 Mhz, so the cache on the motherboard would not have really affected the results. I disabled onboard VGA on the PC Chips board by selecting the PCI card as the primary video in the BIOS and disabling it the Windows 98 SE Device Manager.

Reply 8 of 10, by ShovelKnight

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cyclone3d wrote on 2020-05-02, 06:54:

The AGP Voodoo3 is way faster in DOS at least on an Aladdin V board (ASUS P5A-B) then a PCI Voodoo 3 - both the same model. I was using DOOM when I tested.

I have found the same with GF2MX400 PCI vs AGP - the AGP board is ~35% faster in DOS benchmarks on my Gigabyte GA-5AX (Aladdin V), but there's almost no difference between them on my MVP3 boards.

Reply 9 of 10, by EvieSigma

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evasive wrote on 2020-05-02, 13:59:

I wonder how a non-PCChips board with SiS530 would hold up in this comparison...

It seems that Acer made SiS530 based boards (my IBM Aptiva has one and was manufactured by Acer) but I don't know if they would be much better.