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First post, by Almoststew1990

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I picked two Fujitsu Siemans "Celcius 600" work stations today for £40.

They're filthy and came with a few bits:
Both use IWILL DX400-SN v1.3 boards (I can only find a manual for 1.2)
2x SCSI controller card (PCI)
Nvidia Quadro 2 Pro 64
MX440 128MB 8x
8x 512MB Rambus RAM (all in one PC)
4x 256MB + 2x 512 + 2x blank thingies (in the other PC)
Audiophile 24/96 PCI sound card
both have 2x Xeon 2.2GHz Prestonia CPUs

What's the best CPU that can go in this Socket 603 board? The best I can find is a 2.7GHz Gallatin. Bit of a shame as Socket 604 seems to unlock a very wide range of CPUs!

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One is getting cleaned up but I thought I'd just try and get the other one to post, which it did after quite a bit of RAM faffing (it's looking like only one of the MECC8 RAM board thingies is working)

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Reply 2 of 12, by pentiumspeed

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Try it. Should work well with older games and the video cards is based on Geforce2 Pro/Ti or so.

In meantime in your future:
You will need to use a software to limit the memory so windows 98 see 512MB, and you'll need to take 2x 256mb rambus from one pc to another pc and purchase set of continuity modules to fill all vacated slots to bring them back down to 512MB for windows 98se.

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 4 of 12, by Almoststew1990

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Ha, I've had that beige case for ages and it's currently my go-to Windows 98 PC. Lovely and compact, but its M-ATX (and SFF PSU) only so the most retro thing I've managed to get in there is a Pentium 4 with a GeForce 3 ti 200 and SBLive.

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What I meant was I picked up two of the green E-ATX systems, they're identical! It would appear the fastest CPUs readily available on eBay UK are 2.8GHz. I might go for it as they're not expensive. I definitely need to dig out some quieter fans though. I've stuck my fastest AGP card (A 7600GS, unless a 6600GT will be faster?) just to see what this system can do.

Ryzen 3700X | 16GB 3600MHz RAM | AMD 6800XT | 2Tb NVME SSD | Windows 10
AMD DX2-80 | 16MB RAM | STB LIghtspeed 128 | AWE32 CT3910
I have a vacancy for a main Windows 98 PC

Reply 5 of 12, by flupke11

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Dual CPU, RDRAM and SCSI to boot, I would never say no to that. Granted, Netburst and Rambus were quite the failures, but this combination is just fantastic for an over-the-top Win98 or Win2K machine. Good buy!

Reply 6 of 12, by chinny22

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Based on that manual for the v1.2 M/B https://mbmanuals.retropc.se/manuals/57/dx400.pdf
Looks like it has the 860 chipset so a FSB of 400Mhz
Also Socket 604 can accept S603 CPU's but the other way around isn't supposed to be pin compatible?

You sure you don't have a Gallatin?
https://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/Intel/Xeon/R … 532KC0492M.html

anyhow here is a list of CPU's
https://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/Intel/Xeon/index.html

I've 2 S604 machines myself a Dell Precision 650 running NT4 and a HP XW6200 running WIn2k
It's an overlooked and interesting platform. The first is AGP and SCSI based the later SATA and PCI-E
And as you've notices it's cheap as well 😀

Edit, terrible formed sentence re chipset

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Reply 7 of 12, by eisapc

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Due to the reason it is dual CPU and has enough RAM I wouldnt bother with Win 9x but would go w2k or even XP instead.

As some others allready mentioned the early Netburst RDRAM combo is indeed collectible due to the reason both technologies were major failures.
Professional workstations are usually very reliabble and worth keeping, even if some feature proprietary parts.
Got two IBM Intellistation M 6850 and a Compaq EVO W 6000 with the same i860 platform myself.
@chinny32: The XW6200 has DIMM memory allready
https://support.hp.com/de-de/product/hp-xw620 … ument/c00216816

Here is a nice overview of the platform
http://www.os2museum.com/wp/the-i860-conspiracy/

Reply 8 of 12, by chinny22

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Yeh both my machines are dimms, (but they were free) RAMBUS is still missing from my collection 🙁

Reply 9 of 12, by Almoststew1990

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My CPUs are definitely prestonia but I've got some 2.7GHz Gallatins on the way. One of the pair is being improved using the original motherboard (new fans, new CPUs, DVD drives etc) and the other PC has been converted to general use (change PSU, remove excess metalwork, change front panel header etc).

They're definitely interesting PCs and I didn't realize the boards were really uncommon. Considering how many 512 and 256 Rambus sticks I now have I'm sure selling them will get my money back from the purchase and upgrades. Assuming anyone is buying this RAM...

I'll definitely be going XP (or even 7!) And skipping windows 98. I've got loads of legit and "less legit but fast" windows 98 configurations I could make already.

Ryzen 3700X | 16GB 3600MHz RAM | AMD 6800XT | 2Tb NVME SSD | Windows 10
AMD DX2-80 | 16MB RAM | STB LIghtspeed 128 | AWE32 CT3910
I have a vacancy for a main Windows 98 PC

Reply 10 of 12, by Almoststew1990

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Well my Gallatins arrived and they are a millimetre or two higher than the presstonia CPUs. luckily heatsinks will still mount properly but it is probably a bit tight there! The board also posted first time which is lucky as I didn't even think about updating the BIOS all where I would get the BIOS from.

Ryzen 3700X | 16GB 3600MHz RAM | AMD 6800XT | 2Tb NVME SSD | Windows 10
AMD DX2-80 | 16MB RAM | STB LIghtspeed 128 | AWE32 CT3910
I have a vacancy for a main Windows 98 PC

Reply 11 of 12, by brt02

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Nice finds! Much as I love dual socket systems, I am strangely drawn to that Tiny system

from a quick bit of google-fu it looks like the latest bios for that iwill board is DX0809. No changelog of any kind though... EDIT: forget it's a Fujitsu board - they'll have BIOS updates and changelogs on their website.

The fastest socket 603 Xeon is 3GHz Gallatin SL79V w/ 4MB of L3 cache. The issue is finding two of them in the UK. I wanted to buy some and overclock them in my PC-DL

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Reply 12 of 12, by Almoststew1990

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My pimpification is nearly complete. I got 2x 2.8 Gallatins in there now, under some modern, slower but fatter (25mm) fans. I also put modern case fans in but the controller seems to stuggle with the front fan, it will spin up and down every couple of seconds. Just need the 3.5 to 5.25adapter now so the HDD can live permenantly up top

Annoyingly XP won't install, it will boot from CD fine, and format and copy the set up files, but when it comes to reboot and launch the XP installer bit it says NTDLR (or whatever it is called) is not present and the screen glitches out a bit.

Got 7 installing now, not ideal but the gpu and RAM should be quite usable in 7. Wish I could hook a SSD up; I might get a SD card and adapter instead as that will be generally useful anyway.

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Ryzen 3700X | 16GB 3600MHz RAM | AMD 6800XT | 2Tb NVME SSD | Windows 10
AMD DX2-80 | 16MB RAM | STB LIghtspeed 128 | AWE32 CT3910
I have a vacancy for a main Windows 98 PC