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First post, by Myloch

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Part 1: bad luck

The other day I bought a nice vintage educational box in an online auction, fortunately I paid little money. When I started to read the first floppy with my reader it told me that the disk wasn't readable ... Ouch! ... I had checked the floppies surface before and it was immaculate. I took out the disc and I was horrified to discover a "ring" where the magnetic surface seems to be abraded and flaked. The more you read it, the more it wears out ... and the damaged ring gets bigger ... in some places it has even become transparent. I gave up, fearing the drive would break. Unreadable floppy disks are part of the risk but I never encountered something like this!

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Part 2: the aftermath

You have no idea about how much I was angry, I do not know much about floppy drive hardware but in my opinion this disk has dirtied and (maybe) ruined the drive head(s) because all the test disks I inserted after left a very slight mark or ring halo at the same track/position where the bastard has "corroded". Other than coming up with the "disk not formatted" dreaded error every time I put something in the floppy drive.

I thought I unvoluntarily destroyed a floppy drive! Fortunately, after a few attempts and compressed air shots into the drive it now seems to be working again. And it now doesn't leave any sign on floppies surface.

Finale:

I only saved the contents of floppy 2 (a 600k Adibou data file)

Too bad we will never be able to save this rare italian localization of IBM educational software. 😢

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Reply 1 of 11, by radiounix

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Yikes! Looks like the oxide came right off the media. Complete binder failure?

This makes me think of old 1970s and 1980s open reel tape media and how the binders often break down gummy after a surprisingly short period of time.

Reply 2 of 11, by Myloch

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Cobalt (?) disk coating disgregated when I began to read the disk. Incredible. I accurately checked the two disks whole surface for dirt and dust before using them. The destroyed disk is a 1.44hd one, the second one is a 720k one and still working.

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Reply 3 of 11, by adalbert

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I had a box of 100 unusable floppies which caused that problem. They smelled bad and it looked like there was mould on them. To fix dirty floppy drive I used two brand new floppy disks, I sprayed isopropyl alcohol into first floppy disk surface and gave it a spin for a while in floppy drive. Then I wiped remaining alcohol with the second, "dry" disk.

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Reply 4 of 11, by Deksor

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This happens to me all the time !
I don't know what's up with the disks that do this, but there's nothing you can do about them unfortunately ...

And yes they do ruin perfectly working floppy disk drives. You have to clean the drive's heads after reading one of these disks or else, as you experienced, it'll damage good disks.

This is why we have to backup floppy disks asap, before they all start doing this ...

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Reply 5 of 11, by Myloch

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I found a similar case in a random ebay auction. Look at the floppy surface.

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Reply 7 of 11, by Keatah

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Sometimes it's the drive that starts the process of eroding the disk. I've polished and buffed the heads in one of my drives with automotive wax and retensioned the spring for less head pressure when working with really old disks or rare disks that aren't likely to survive a 2nd read pass.

Reply 8 of 11, by Myloch

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Basically the same thing began again today: this disk never moved since 1990!!! Looking at the surface, it had the weird white-ish pattern, mold or maybe the internal cleaning fabric that rotted away. Even the sliding metal shutter has signs of what looks like dried condensation. I tried to insert the disk and as soon as I heard the dreaded weird unusual sound, I removed the disk and I totally cleaned the front and rear surface with a cotton swab imbued with alcohol. Manually rotating the disk and gently repeating the procedure until most if not all the irregular patterns are gone. I noticed the more I was cleaning it, the easier the magnetic surface rotated and with less friction.

You need time and patience, I finally was able to dump all the data without errors! I risked when I inserted the disk at the beginning, that part is crucial, stop it immediately if your instinct tells something is wrong or you can destroy everything.

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Reply 9 of 11, by Deksor

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Good thing you managed to save that disk for one last read. Sadly sometimes disks show no sign of wear, I believe mold can cause this but it may not be the only thing causing this phenomenon

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Reply 10 of 11, by Myloch

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Other than the mold, I don't know why but in my personal experience, 720 disks are "stronger" against oxide coating flaking off, I had a lot more high density destroyed (bad quality?) disks during recent years.

Sometimes files or entire disks without visible damage just become unreadable (the OS says they are not formatted). Demagnetization.

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Reply 11 of 11, by Myloch

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Another nice case of dump went wrong: this time a totally readable disk went byebye because the metallic hub decided to detach from the magnetic part when accessing the disk for backup.

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