script-fu wrote on 2020-10-26, 21:56:

a: Use the ridiculous thin thermal pad already installed on the new heatsink b: Use some Artic MX-4 after removing that bs pad f […]
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a: Use the ridiculous thin thermal pad already installed on the new heatsink
b: Use some Artic MX-4 after removing that bs pad from the heatsink
c: Use this nice new thick blue thermal pad that i have

Basically all i have done since this card arrived today is move the coppermine into the 370SPC and set JP1 to a coppermine from celeron.

Thanks again in advance and sorry for the massive delay. I didn't think it would take so darn long to get here.

I'd use the Arctic MX-4. The original pad may be no good after so long, and a thick pad won't transfer the heat so efficiently as a thin layer of MX-4

debs3759 wrote on 2020-10-26, 22:26:

I'd use the Arctic MX-4. The original pad may be no good after so long, and a thick pad won't transfer the heat so efficiently as a thin layer of MX-4

Thank you as that makes perfect sense.

So i will get some pictures tomorrow of the VRM's before i go any further.
darry post has my attention now as well as others on the VRM specs.

Oh and one more thing before i forget about it. If my voltage regulator is in spec try to figure out what size heatsink might work. ala https://www.ebay.com/itm/50pcs-9x9x4mm-Mini-A … R4AAOSwT6pVxJ6u

Good morning, I now have a good picture & i found the datasheet for the CEB6030L. However i'm not sure if this is doable or not based on that VRM? Any speculation would go a long way! TIA

http://systembus.com/databook/Descrete/ ... V-52A).pdf

The HIP6004BCB is what you're looking for. 😉
It supports 1.3V DC to 2.05V DC in 0,05V steps and 2.1V DC to 3.5V DC in 0.1V steps.

Edit: And the voltage table on your 370SP REV 2.0 matches the IC's VID pin settings as described in the datasheet as far as I can tell.
The datasheet also tells you VID settings that aren't documented on your Slotket.
Edit 2: Added picture of possible VID settings for easier reference. Use at your own risk, no gurantees!

script-fu wrote on 2020-10-27, 10:35:

Good morning, I now have a good picture & i found the datasheet for the CEB6030L. However i'm not sure if this is doable or not based on that VRM? Any speculation would go a long way! TIA

http://systembus.com/databook/Descrete/ ... V-52A).pdf

That's the mosfets, the VRM is the HIP6004BCB. According to its datasheet it can go down to 1.30v so that's fine. The mosfets can take 75W so that's fine too. I don't know if it's possible/sensible to add a heatsink to the mosfet bodies, you're supposed to attach those to their tabs, but those already use the motherboard PCB as a heatsink. For a Coppermine I wouldn't worry about it.

Btw. I recommend you set those two jumpers if you're running a GF4 Ti 4200.
The AGP VRM on Gigabyte boards didn't hold up too well when delivering high currents requested from '99+ GPUs. A lot of motherboards died and often took the graphics card with them.
Gigabyte incorporated those jumpers on later revisions of affected boards as a quick fix to feed the AGP slot 3.3V directly from the ATX connector.

Doornkaat wrote on 2020-10-27, 11:09:

Btw. I recommend you set those two jumpers if you're running a GF4 Ti 4200.
The AGP VRM on Gigabyte boards didn't hold up too well when delivering high currents requested from '99+ GPUs. A lot of motherboards died and often took the graphics card with them.
Gigabyte incorporated those jumpers on later revisions of affected boards as a quick fix to feed the AGP slot 3.3V directly from the ATX connector.

That's crazy because i thought my GF4 Ti 4200 was bad. It would display for a few minutes then shut down. The computer would still be running but no video. I also noticed that holding the power button down to turn off the computer didn't work anymore. I had to flip the switch on the power supply to turn the computer off.

Just crazy...

I'm still trying to digest the VRM stuff above. As i was wondering if i need to set the other jumpers for the PIII 1000 100fsb coppermine.

I do have more pictures of the jumpers and jp tables

I didn't see your post before editing my previous one again. I added the modified table of VID settings from the IC's datasheet for easier reference on the slotket. If there are questions, ask! 😀
Adding information to old posts is a bad habit. Sorry.

I'm not even sure what i'm looking at in that table you posted above. I have the sloctket set to auto. Are you saying i should set the jumpers different on the slotket?

I am not familiar with the term "VID Settings" so i'm at a loss to reply with anything coherent. Also i was asking about all the other jumpers on my motherboard. Should any of those be changed as well?

These two pictures cover the rest of the jumpers except the keyboard.

script-fu wrote on 2020-10-27, 11:55:

I'm not even sure what i'm looking at in that table you posted above. I have the sloctket set to auto. Are you saying i should set the jumpers different on the slotket?

I am not familiar with the term "VID Settings" so i'm at a loss to reply with anything coherent. Also i was asking about all the other jumpers on my motherboard. Should any of those be changed as well?

Yeah, sorry; I tend to get a bit rambly. 😅 I have updated the table. You can probably leave it on auto and it'll be fine.
The table applies to the Fast Fame 370SP Slotket you posted before in combination with the GA-6BXC Rev 2.0.
If you want to configure core voltage manually you have to set jumpers A-E on JP2 to 2-3. 1-2 is auto, 2-3 is manual. JP3 is set according to the table. (No gurantees, usa at your own risk.) This may come in handy when undervolting or if the correct voltage can not be determined by the board.
VID: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_regulat … _identification Better than my ramblings. 😉

Doornkaat wrote on 2020-10-27, 12:13:

Yeah, sorry; I tend to get a bit rambly. 😅 I have updated the table. You can probably leave it on auto and it'll be fine. The ta […]
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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-27, 11:55:

I'm not even sure what i'm looking at in that table you posted above. I have the sloctket set to auto. Are you saying i should set the jumpers different on the slotket?

I am not familiar with the term "VID Settings" so i'm at a loss to reply with anything coherent. Also i was asking about all the other jumpers on my motherboard. Should any of those be changed as well?

Yeah, sorry; I tend to get a bit rambly. 😅 I have updated the table. You can probably leave it on auto and it'll be fine.
The table applies to the Fast Fame 370SP Slotket you posted before in combination with the GA-6BXC Rev 2.0.
If you want to configure core voltage manually you have to set jumpers A-E on JP2 to 2-3. 1-2 is auto, 2-3 is manual. JP3 is set according to the table. (No gurantees, usa at your own risk.) This may come in handy when undervolting or if the correct voltage can not be determined by the board.
VID: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_regulat … _identification Better than my ramblings. 😉

Ahh i have both slotkets here from that company. I have the Fast Fame 370SP & 370SPC. I was under the impression the 370SP would not run the coppermine. However the 370SPC was good to go and that's the one i have ready to go!

I would just use auto voltage.

VID settings: the CPU has pins (VID0/1/etc) with which it asks the VRM for a certain voltage according to the table posted above. The jumpers on the slotket can be used to modify those signals and ask the motherboard for a different voltage. So the jumpers will only get you voltages supported by the motherboard, but it can be used to undervolt/overvolt or fix cases where somehow the auto setting isn't interpreted correctly.

script-fu wrote on 2020-10-27, 12:26:

Doornkaat wrote on 2020-10-27, 12:13:

Yeah, sorry; I tend to get a bit rambly. 😅 I have updated the table. You can probably leave it on auto and it'll be fine. The ta […]
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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-27, 11:55:

I'm not even sure what i'm looking at in that table you posted above. I have the sloctket set to auto. Are you saying i should set the jumpers different on the slotket?

I am not familiar with the term "VID Settings" so i'm at a loss to reply with anything coherent. Also i was asking about all the other jumpers on my motherboard. Should any of those be changed as well?

Yeah, sorry; I tend to get a bit rambly. 😅 I have updated the table. You can probably leave it on auto and it'll be fine.
The table applies to the Fast Fame 370SP Slotket you posted before in combination with the GA-6BXC Rev 2.0.
If you want to configure core voltage manually you have to set jumpers A-E on JP2 to 2-3. 1-2 is auto, 2-3 is manual. JP3 is set according to the table. (No gurantees, usa at your own risk.) This may come in handy when undervolting or if the correct voltage can not be determined by the board.
VID: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_regulat … _identification Better than my ramblings. 😉

Ahh i have both slotkets here from that company. I have the Fast Fame 370SP & 370SPC. I was under the impression the 370SP would not run the coppermine. However the 370SPC was good to go and that's the one i have ready to go!

Aaaaahh! You're probably right. It's unlikely to support Coppermine.
Well, at least now you have a whole bunch of voltage settings that will make your Mendocinos not POST. 😉
My bad! 😅

Oetker wrote on 2020-10-27, 12:30:

I would just use auto voltage.

VID settings: the CPU has pins (VID0/1/etc) with which it asks the VRM for a certain voltage according to the table posted above. The jumpers on the slotket can be used to modify those signals and ask the motherboard for a different voltage. So the jumpers will only get you voltages supported by the motherboard, but it can be used to undervolt/overvolt or fix cases where somehow the auto setting isn't interpreted correctly.

Doornkaat wrote:

Aaaaahh! You're probably right. It's unlikely to support Coppermine.
Well, at least now you have a whole bunch of voltage settings that will make your Mendocinos not POST. 😉
My bad! 😅

Both of you guys really helped me out as i didn't know the difference between the VRM & MOSFIT.

Also Doorkaat caught that my jumpers were set wrong for my GF4 Ti 4200. I am hoping that video card will work now!

I do have a question about that tho.

1) With that jumper set for 3.3v now will this hurt my TNT2 & Quadro 2 MXR 32 MB?

a) I also have a ATI Radeon 9600 XT (All In Wonder) 128MB DDR SDRAM AGP 4x/8x on the way.

b) Plus a PNY GeForce FX 5200 (VCGFX522APB) DDR 256MB AGP.

I guess what i need to know is will the 3.3v hurt older video cards? Can i just leave those jumpers set to 3.3v all time or do i need to be careful which video cards i'm plugging into the AGPslot?

script-fu wrote on 2020-10-27, 13:05:

I do have a question about that tho. […]
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I do have a question about that tho.

1) With that jumper set for 3.3v now will this hurt my TNT2 & Quadro 2 MXR 32 MB?

a) I also have a ATI Radeon 9600 XT (All In Wonder) 128MB DDR SDRAM AGP 4x/8x on the way.

b) Plus a PNY GeForce FX 5200 (VCGFX522APB) DDR 256MB AGP.

I guess what i need to know is will the 3.3v hurt older video cards? Can i just leave those jumpers set to 3.3v all time or do i need to be careful which video cards i'm plugging into the AGPslot?

With the jumpers we're talking about +3.3Vcc.
+3.3Vcc is the main power source for AGP cards from the slot. +3.3Vcc is present on all AGP revisions. This voltage will either be taken from the ATX PSU and stabilised or it'll be generated by the board using the +5V or +12V rail. +3.3Vcc will not hurt any AGP card. Most (if not all) AGP cards require 3.3Vcc to function.
Coming from the PSU voltages aren't always as clean as when they're stabilised by the motherboard. Also if your PSU fails catastrophically there's one less instance protecting the card from overvoltage. Those are the main drawbacks of using the jumpers.
In short: Always use a decent PSU and set the jumpers.👍

Another thing is signaling voltage. 3.3V signalling will hurt cards and motherboards that aren't 3.3V signalling compatible/tolerant.
The 440BX chipset only supports AGP1.0 which dictates 3.3V signalling. The AGP slot on your board is keyed accordingly.
While there are AGP cards keyed for universal AGP (implying they support 1.5V signalling AND 3.3V signalling) that actually only support 3.3V signalling I don't think there are any cards that are keyed for 3.3V signalling that only support 1.5V signalling. From that perspective you're going to be fine with any card that physically fits in the AGP slot on your board. 😀
I'm not too sure wether the 9600 XT AiW will support AGP1.0 slots and 3.3V signalling. I believe it is only keyed for 1.5V signalling so it should not physically fit in your board.

I hope this clears things up. 😉

Doornkaat wrote on 2020-10-27, 14:29:

With the jumpers we're talking about +3.3Vcc. +3.3Vcc is the main power source for AGP cards from the slot. +3.3Vcc is present o […]
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script-fu wrote on 2020-10-27, 13:05:

I do have a question about that tho. […]
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I do have a question about that tho.

1) With that jumper set for 3.3v now will this hurt my TNT2 & Quadro 2 MXR 32 MB?

a) I also have a ATI Radeon 9600 XT (All In Wonder) 128MB DDR SDRAM AGP 4x/8x on the way.

b) Plus a PNY GeForce FX 5200 (VCGFX522APB) DDR 256MB AGP.

I guess what i need to know is will the 3.3v hurt older video cards? Can i just leave those jumpers set to 3.3v all time or do i need to be careful which video cards i'm plugging into the AGPslot?

With the jumpers we're talking about +3.3Vcc.
+3.3Vcc is the main power source for AGP cards from the slot. +3.3Vcc is present on all AGP revisions. This voltage will either be taken from the ATX PSU and stabilised or it'll be generated by the board using the +5V or +12V rail. +3.3Vcc will not hurt any AGP card. Most (if not all) AGP cards require 3.3Vcc to function.
Coming from the PSU voltages aren't always as clean as when they're stabilised by the motherboard. Also if your PSU fails catastrophically there's one less instance protecting the card from overvoltage. Those are the main drawbacks of using the jumpers.
In short: Always use a decent PSU and set the jumpers.👍

Another thing is signaling voltage. 3.3V signalling will hurt cards and motherboards that aren't 3.3V signalling compatible/tolerant.
The 440BX chipset only supports AGP1.0 which dictates 3.3V signalling. The AGP slot on your board is keyed accordingly.
While there are AGP cards keyed for universal AGP (implying they support 1.5V signalling AND 3.3V signalling) that actually only support 3.3V signalling I don't think there are any cards that are keyed for 3.3V signalling that only support 1.5V signalling. From that perspective you're going to be fine with any card that physically fits in the AGP slot on your board. 😀
I'm not too sure wether the 9600 XT AiW will support AGP1.0 slots and 3.3V signalling. I believe it is only keyed for 1.5V signalling so it should not physically fit in your board.

I hope this clears things up. 😉

Perfect and thank you for your time writing all that out. I was really worried i would fry one of my cards because they weren't voodoos. Good catch on the AIW and your correct. I went back and double checked the pictures in the listing and yep it wont fit this motherboard. No biggie tho as i have abit boards all over the darn place i bought new off ebay in 2004 or so. Plus i stole the card which i already have anyways. I just needed the special square dongle style cable that plugs into it. As my other one has some bad pins i smashed many times over the years.

Can you elaborate on the jumper settings of my gigabyte board? The pIII cpu's are locked is my understanding. So with my slotket set to auto do i need to worry about the jumpers on the motherboard? As my SW2 jumpers are set at ( off off on on 3.5x) which doesn't make any sense to me. The processor that was installed with those settings is a Intel Pentium III 600E SL3H6. I want to upgrade the CPU to this one SL5QV 1000/256/100/1.75V Coppermine PIII 370 cpu thru the slotket.

Thanks!

script-fu wrote on 2020-10-27, 15:31:

Can you elaborate on the jumper settings of my gigabyte board? The pIII cpu's are locked is my understanding. So with my slotket set to auto do i need to worry about the jumpers on the motherboard? As my SW2 jumpers are set at ( off off on on 3.5x) which doesn't make any sense to me.

All Coppermine cpu's are indeed multiplier locked and as a result they do not respond in any way to how the SW2 multiplier jumpers are set. Not any setting makes or has to make sense because they just don't work on Coppermines.
There are motherboards that require that all jumpers are set in a certain position for 'AUTO' functioning but I don't think that this Gigabyte board is one of them.

PARKE wrote on 2020-10-27, 16:30:

script-fu wrote on 2020-10-27, 15:31:

Can you elaborate on the jumper settings of my gigabyte board? The pIII cpu's are locked is my understanding. So with my slotket set to auto do i need to worry about the jumpers on the motherboard? As my SW2 jumpers are set at ( off off on on 3.5x) which doesn't make any sense to me.

All Coppermine cpu's are indeed multiplier locked and as a result they do not respond in any way to how the SW2 multiplier jumpers are set. Not any setting makes or has to make sense because they just don't work on Coppermines.
There are motherboards that require that all jumpers are set in a certain position for 'AUTO' functioning but I don't think that this Gigabyte board is one of them.

Thanks for clarifying that last question PARKE. Now i can put this thing back together. Did the VRM look like it will hold up to you too? As darry's post did worry me a bit as my coppermine was up in that chart and in the orange. I posted a picture a while back of the VRM.

Thanks to all of you. I would have never made it this far. It's been years since i dabbled in this stuff. I sure am glad i have a slot 1 again after 20 years!