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First post, by thegenerallee86

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for my IBM PC Series 350 P75 so I can see if the windows 1.0 disks work or not that I bought because I don't believe they'll work on my zenith 386 5.25 drive bay I don't beleive is working properly and I don't have any other 5.25 disks to try on it. On boot the zenith computer the 5.25 Drive light is always on and when I boot the machine I get drive not ready with no disk in it, also it does not have a Hard Drive.

Reply 1 of 33, by Deunan

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Standard (modern) height? You need 360k or 1.2M drive? In general I recommend the TEAC FD55 -R series, can't go wrong with those, easy to service too. Those come with black and beige front covers as well so pick one that looks better.
Or, if it's just for testing, a floppy emulator might be better suited to your needs.

Reply 2 of 33, by thegenerallee86

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Deunan wrote on 2021-06-04, 15:23:

Standard (modern) height? You need 360k or 1.2M drive? In general I recommend the TEAC FD55 -R series, can't go wrong with those, easy to service too. Those come with black and beige front covers as well so pick one that looks better.
Or, if it's just for testing, a floppy emulator might be better suited to your needs.

I would guess standard Height and 1.2M cause I believe that is what's in the zenith and I want one for my IBM PC Series 300 P75 as well which I plan to get the same one.

Would this one work?https://www.ebay.com/itm/203483390103?hash=it … bUAAOSw6CpgukM2

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thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 15:34:

I would guess standard Height and 1.2M cause I believe that is what's in the zenith and I want one for my IBM PC Series 300 P75 as well which I plan to get the same one.

The FD-55GFR will work, unless those systems have non-standard floppy cables. Even then it should be a matter of an adapter. Make sure there is a standard AMP/Molex power connector, if so and the ribbon cable is 34-pin then I see no reason it wouldn't work. I have several of these TEACs and none of them is giving me any trouble.

Reply 4 of 33, by thegenerallee86

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Deunan wrote on 2021-06-04, 16:30:
thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 15:34:

I would guess standard Height and 1.2M cause I believe that is what's in the zenith and I want one for my IBM PC Series 300 P75 as well which I plan to get the same one.

The FD-55GFR will work, unless those systems have non-standard floppy cables. Even then it should be a matter of an adapter. Make sure there is a standard AMP/Molex power connector, if so and the ribbon cable is 34-pin then I see no reason it wouldn't work. I have several of these TEACs and none of them is giving me any trouble.

Ok that is what I will do then and as far as I know the zenith has the correct slot cable but I believe I will need the adapter for the IBM PC Series cause I don't think it has slots on it.

Reply 5 of 33, by Caluser2000

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What year and model is you Zenith 386? Also what do you mean by "slots" in the IBM? ISA slots or something else?

Zenith did some weird things. Like I can not just fit in a common 3.5" in to my Zenith 286LP Plus. The front plastic bezel needs to be altered to fit correctly.

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A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 7 of 33, by thegenerallee86

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Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-04, 18:56:

What year and model is you Zenith 386? Also what do you mean by "slots" in the IBM? ISA slots or something else?

Zenith did some weird things. Like I can not just fit in a common 3.5" in to my Zenith 286LP Plus. The front plastic bezel needs to be altered to fit correctly.

It looks like this one: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/zenith/brochures … hSpeedZ-386.pdf
I don't know what you call them where the drives have the bus card slot like connection on the back and the ribbon cable slides onto it?

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thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 19:12:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-04, 18:56:

What year and model is you Zenith 386? Also what do you mean by "slots" in the IBM? ISA slots or something else?

Zenith did some weird things. Like I can not just fit in a common 3.5" in to my Zenith 286LP Plus. The front plastic bezel needs to be altered to fit correctly.

It looks like this one: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/zenith/brochures … hSpeedZ-386.pdf
I don't know what you call them where the drives have the bus card slot like connection on the back and the ribbon cable slides onto it?

You can get adapters to go from a normal fdd ribben cable to 5.25" drive connectors/contacts. Older fdd cables have both types of connector on them . Maybe a Vogons member close by could supply you one for just postage. Those of us who have been using these ol systems for a while will have at least one box full of various fdd cables.

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There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 9 of 33, by Caluser2000

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AlessandroB wrote on 2021-06-04, 18:59:

it can be handled by a modern PC with mainboard floppy connector (SocketA) or need a old computer?
With this drive you can read/writhe every 5 1/4 format/capacity floppy?
tnks

It's not a good idea to format 360 floppies in 1.2meg 51/4" drives because of the way the drive sets up the disk. They will be hit and miss if trying to read in a 360k 51/4 drive. 1.2meg 51/2" fdds should be able to read 360k and 1.2meg 51/2" ok Just be aware t hat even some fdds wont read a floppy because of the fdds head alignment on the fdd that created the floppy is different than the fdd reading a floppy disk. Reading a 360k disk that was created on a 1.2meg fdd should be ok.

Folk go for fdd emulators and using disk images to make life easier. No head alignment or cleaning needed. But first you need a real fdd drive to create those disk images 😀

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 10 of 33, by thegenerallee86

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Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-04, 19:29:
thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 19:12:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-04, 18:56:

What year and model is you Zenith 386? Also what do you mean by "slots" in the IBM? ISA slots or something else?

Zenith did some weird things. Like I can not just fit in a common 3.5" in to my Zenith 286LP Plus. The front plastic bezel needs to be altered to fit correctly.

It looks like this one: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/zenith/brochures … hSpeedZ-386.pdf
I don't know what you call them where the drives have the bus card slot like connection on the back and the ribbon cable slides onto it?

You can get adapters to go from a normal fdd ribben cable to 5.25" drive connectors/contacts. Older fdd cables have both types of connector on them . Maybe a Vogons member close by could supply you one for just postage. Those of us who have been using these ol systems for a while will have at least one box full of various fdd cables.

Yeah that would be nice and would be will to buy one too.

Reply 11 of 33, by Caluser2000

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thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 20:35:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-04, 19:29:
thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 19:12:

It looks like this one: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/zenith/brochures … hSpeedZ-386.pdf
I don't know what you call them where the drives have the bus card slot like connection on the back and the ribbon cable slides onto it?

You can get adapters to go from a normal fdd ribben cable to 5.25" drive connectors/contacts. Older fdd cables have both types of connector on them . Maybe a Vogons member close by could supply you one for just postage. Those of us who have been using these ol systems for a while will have at least one box full of various fdd cables.

Yeah that would be nice and would be will to buy one too.

What is your location?

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 12 of 33, by thegenerallee86

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Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-04, 20:51:
thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 20:35:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-04, 19:29:

You can get adapters to go from a normal fdd ribben cable to 5.25" drive connectors/contacts. Older fdd cables have both types of connector on them . Maybe a Vogons member close by could supply you one for just postage. Those of us who have been using these ol systems for a while will have at least one box full of various fdd cables.

Yeah that would be nice and would be will to buy one too.

What is your location?

Orange, VT, USA

Reply 13 of 33, by thegenerallee86

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I bought the one which I listed earlier this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/203483390103 Which is the Teac which is the TEAC FD-55GFR 149-U5 5.25" Internal Floppy Disk Drive

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Reply 14 of 33, by Caluser2000

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Got your pm thegenerallee86. I live in Palmerston North New Zealand so the postage will most likely be more than the cable is worth;)

There must be a vogons member closer that can provide you with one.

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 15 of 33, by Brickpad

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thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 21:13:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-04, 20:51:
thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 20:35:

Yeah that would be nice and would be will to buy one too.

What is your location?

Orange, VT, USA

I'll PM you. I'm over in New Hampshire not too far from you. I don't mind mailing you a floppy cable. No charge.

Reply 16 of 33, by Caluser2000

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Brickpad wrote on 2021-06-05, 01:58:
thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 21:13:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-04, 20:51:

What is your location?

Orange, VT, USA

I'll PM you. I'm over in New Hampshire not too far from you. I don't mind mailing you a floppy cable. No charge.

Well done Brickpad. This is what a community like this is all about.

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 17 of 33, by Brickpad

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Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-05, 02:07:
Brickpad wrote on 2021-06-05, 01:58:
thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 21:13:

Orange, VT, USA

I'll PM you. I'm over in New Hampshire not too far from you. I don't mind mailing you a floppy cable. No charge.

Well done Brickpad. This is what a community like this is all about.

Happy to help a fellow Vogoner out. 😀

Reply 18 of 33, by thegenerallee86

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Brickpad wrote on 2021-06-05, 01:58:
thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 21:13:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-06-04, 20:51:

What is your location?

Orange, VT, USA

I'll PM you. I'm over in New Hampshire not too far from you. I don't mind mailing you a floppy cable. No charge.

Thank You and it I need to have both Pin and the slot type for my IBM PC series 350 P75, also the distance between both connections has to be 5 or 6 inches because the 2.5 floppy sits on top of a cd drive and the 5.25 will put below the cd drive. Does anyone know what you call those type of connections on old floppy drives where it looks like a pci card type connection?

Reply 19 of 33, by Brickpad

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thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-05, 10:41:
Brickpad wrote on 2021-06-05, 01:58:
thegenerallee86 wrote on 2021-06-04, 21:13:

Orange, VT, USA

I'll PM you. I'm over in New Hampshire not too far from you. I don't mind mailing you a floppy cable. No charge.

Thank You and it I need to have both Pin and the slot type for my IBM PC series 350 P75, also the distance between both connections has to be 5 or 6 inches because the 2.5 floppy sits on top of a cd drive and the 5.25 will put below the cd drive. Does anyone know what you call those type of connections on old floppy drives where it looks like a pci card type connection?

I believe that is called a single edge connector.