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First post, by Scythifuge

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Greetings,

I have been lucky to acquire two working internal superdisk drives for my retro PCs, and two parallel port SuperDisk drives. I bought a parallel-to-usb cable, and when I connect it to my main, Windows 10 based PC, Device Manager lists it as a USB composite device under the USB controllers section. Is there a way to get my PC to recognize the drive so that I can read/write to SuperDisks and floppies?

Thanks!
Scythifuge

EDIT: I was wrong; it is listed as USB Printing Support... I don't know if this cable is suitable then...

Reply 1 of 9, by Oetker

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Most parallel<->USB cables only work with printers. Even if you've got one of the cables that emulate a true parallel port, would still need a piece of software (or driver) to actually access the drive, which won't exist for Win10. I very highly doubt you're going to get this to work.

Reply 2 of 9, by Jo22

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Oetker wrote on 2021-06-26, 18:28:

Most parallel<->USB cables only work with printers. Even if you've got one of the cables that emulate a true parallel port, would still need a piece of software (or driver) to actually access the drive, which won't exist for Win10. I very highly doubt you're going to get this to work.

I think the same. Most USB-Parallel cables are merely interfaces for Centronics printers.

A true USB-Parallel Converter must either be bought online from small, specialised companies or built by the users themsleves at home.
Here's such a (very old) converter design from an university: https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/basteln/PC/USB2LPT/

That being said, my information is dated. Maybe these converters have gotten more mainstream in the past few years.

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Reply 3 of 9, by Scythifuge

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I read that Windows 10 has built-in SuperDisk drivers, though I don't know what versions are covered, whether or not parallel, usb, or IDE versions are supported. I was just looking at various PCI-express cards that offer parallel ports and sometimes serial ports, as well. I may buy one just to try it out. The other option is to connect one of the internal IDE drives up to an IDE-to-USB converter and try that, since I have gotten IDE HDD's to work under Windows 10 in this manner. If all else fails, I can use this 2nd parallel SuperDisk on my AthlonXP machine, or with my 486 machine, and use USB or CD-R\DVD-R discs to transfer files from my main machine to the other machines.

I do hope I find a solution, as I love getting things working that are otherwise not meant to work. I tricked my Gateway into using a 128GB SD card in an SD-to-IDE adapter, but using an ATA133 card to install windows, and then to reattach the SD-to-IDE drive to the primary IDE on the motherboard. I have 70GB of games and apps installed, so far.

Reply 5 of 9, by Disruptor

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Since my Windows hang everytime I connected my IDE LS-120 to an PCIe PATA controller or with a converter to a SATA port, I have connected it using an IDE to USB converter.

Does anybody know how to get the LS-120 IDE working under Windows 10 using the straight way?

Reply 6 of 9, by Scythifuge

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Disruptor wrote on 2021-06-26, 20:04:

Since my Windows hang everytime I connected my IDE LS-120 to an PCIe PATA controller or with a converter to a SATA port, I have connected it using an IDE to USB converter.

Does anybody know how to get the LS-120 IDE working under Windows 10 using the straight way?

You successfully got Windows 10 to recognize and allow the use of an internal LS-120? I have the opportunity to get 3 or 4 more internal SuperDisks along with 20-21" monitors and some Gateway P3 systems, for super cheap. I may go that route to use an internal as an external. I am still hoping for a parallel port-to-PCIe or parallel-to-usb option. The other idea is to simply buy an m2 or m3 USB SuperDisk when I find one that is tested to be working and is complete. Then I could have SuperDisk drives on all of my systems.

Reply 7 of 9, by Disruptor

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Scythifuge wrote on 2021-06-26, 20:33:

You successfully got Windows 10 to recognize and allow the use of an internal LS-120? I have the opportunity to get 3 or 4 more internal SuperDisks along with 20-21" monitors and some Gateway P3 systems, for super cheap. I may go that route to use an internal as an external. I am still hoping for a parallel port-to-PCIe or parallel-to-usb option. The other idea is to simply buy an m2 or m3 USB SuperDisk when I find one that is tested to be working and is complete. Then I could have SuperDisk drives on all of my systems.

Just an internal drive connected through an IDE-USB adapter.

Reply 8 of 9, by darry

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Scythifuge wrote on 2021-06-26, 20:33:
Disruptor wrote on 2021-06-26, 20:04:

Since my Windows hang everytime I connected my IDE LS-120 to an PCIe PATA controller or with a converter to a SATA port, I have connected it using an IDE to USB converter.

Does anybody know how to get the LS-120 IDE working under Windows 10 using the straight way?

You successfully got Windows 10 to recognize and allow the use of an internal LS-120?

It works for me too with an internal IDE LS-120

I use an IDE LS-120 on a Jmicron IDE/SATA PCIE controller under Windows 10 . […]
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I use an IDE LS-120 on a Jmicron IDE/SATA PCIE controller under Windows 10 .

If you want to try an IDE LS-120, here are a few useful (IMHO) tips .

a) It did not work for me with an IDE to SATA converter when the SATA controller is in AHCI mode (possiblybly because AHCI implies DMA mode and my LS-120 only support PIO mode 3) .
b) It only worked for me with the Jmicron controller forced into legacy IDE mode and the drive connected to the IDE connector .
c) It only worked with Microsoft standard IDE drivers installed for the controller, not the Jmicron ones .

Quoted from Re: Options for connecting internal 5.25 / 3.5 / ZIP drives to modern system

Reply 9 of 9, by Scythifuge

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darry wrote on 2021-06-26, 22:10:
It works for me too with an internal IDE LS-120 […]
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Scythifuge wrote on 2021-06-26, 20:33:
Disruptor wrote on 2021-06-26, 20:04:

Since my Windows hang everytime I connected my IDE LS-120 to an PCIe PATA controller or with a converter to a SATA port, I have connected it using an IDE to USB converter.

Does anybody know how to get the LS-120 IDE working under Windows 10 using the straight way?

You successfully got Windows 10 to recognize and allow the use of an internal LS-120?

It works for me too with an internal IDE LS-120

I use an IDE LS-120 on a Jmicron IDE/SATA PCIE controller under Windows 10 . […]
Show full quote

I use an IDE LS-120 on a Jmicron IDE/SATA PCIE controller under Windows 10 .

If you want to try an IDE LS-120, here are a few useful (IMHO) tips .

a) It did not work for me with an IDE to SATA converter when the SATA controller is in AHCI mode (possiblybly because AHCI implies DMA mode and my LS-120 only support PIO mode 3) .
b) It only worked for me with the Jmicron controller forced into legacy IDE mode and the drive connected to the IDE connector .
c) It only worked with Microsoft standard IDE drivers installed for the controller, not the Jmicron ones .

Quoted from Re: Options for connecting internal 5.25 / 3.5 / ZIP drives to modern system

Nice. Unfortunately, with a 1080 Ti and a Sound BlasterX Ae-5, I have room for only one card, and my case is a Corsair Obsidian 500D, and thus I am without drive bays. I am still researching the parallel-to-pcie cards, and I am looking for the USB-drive kit I have which lets me connect just about any sata and ide drive to PCs with USB 3.0 support. I believe that these parallel SuperDisk drives have an internal 3.5 inch LS-120 inside, connected to an ide-to-parallel board. The first one I received gamer with the front bezel connectors and the eject button all smashed to bits, but the drive still works, so I took an eject button from a non-working LS-120 and replaced the broken one and it was compatible with the parallel drive, and then I hot-glued the bezel into place (this is the drive I am trying to connect to my main PC - the logo is rubbing off, so if I get it to work, I'll paint this one black to match the newer components, since it looks rough as it is.) So the options I see with this particular situation is to find a working card that provides a fully functional parallel port, or get a short IDE extension ribbon cable and molex cable, and connect the drive to an ide-to-USB adapter. Depending on how the adapter operates, using USB 3 will probably give the fully capable speed of the ls-120 drive, and add not only SuperDisk capability, but floppy reading capability to a relatively modern set up, and I find the idea of that to be really cool!