Hi,
perhaps you may find a better topic name.
Rise MP6 fits in super socket 7 PGA, Rise iDragon is a BGA chip.

Disruptor wrote on 2021-10-31, 15:35:

Hi,
perhaps you may find a better topic name.
Rise MP6 fits in super socket 7 PGA, Rise iDragon is a BGA chip.

🤔 I seem to have found a dragon on a socket 7 interposer on the bay.. and also one basically the same setup that says mp6.

I believe at least one difference (not considering engineering samples) is the iDragon has a 2.0V core whereas the mP6 had 2.8V. It also seems the iDragon used a newer process (180nm) compared to the mP6 (250nm)? Since the iDragon tried to target the embedded/SoC market, both of these changes make sense.

mscdex wrote on 2021-10-31, 15:49:

I believe at least one difference (not considering engineering samples) is the iDragon has a 2.0V core whereas the mP6 had 2.8V. It also seems the iDragon used a newer process (180nm) compared to the mP6 (250nm)? Since the iDragon tried to target the embedded/SoC market, both of these changes make sense.

Okay, so dragon is better.

How far ya think the 200mhz One I found will overclock? 🤔

It's a shame it seems somewhat rare. If it were cheaper it'd be fun to whack a ridiculous overvolt on it and see if it can reach the highest specified bus speed (100mhz) with the highest specified multiplier (3.5).

A 350MHz MP6 might even be as fast as a Celeron!

iDragon has the 0.18µm 2.00V Lynx core and mine runs at 250MHz on stock voltage. The 0.25µm Kirin runs at 2.80V and I don't think I have tried to overclock it.

Both have the * Chris Norrie * 🥚

red-ray wrote on 2021-11-01, 09:25:

iDragon has the 0.18µm 2.00V Lynx core and mine runs at 250MHz on stock voltage. The 0.25µm Kirin runs at 2.80V and I don't thin […]
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iDragon has the 0.18µm 2.00V Lynx core and mine runs at 250MHz on stock voltage. The 0.25µm Kirin runs at 2.80V and I don't think I have tried to overclock it.

Both have the * Chris Norrie * 🥚

w1zard is that you?

Sweet! Thanks!

Sphere478 wrote on 2021-11-01, 18:06:

w1zard is that you?

I have no idea what "w1zard is that you?" means as it makes no sense at all.

Always been curious about these chips. Seem relatively rare in any form. I was under the impression that the mP6 used some sort of BGA to PGA package on the Socket 7 platform?
This is one reason I always assumed so many of these chips seem to be found dead. I could be wrong on all that though, as I've never seen one in person.

I have one. Was able to run some benchmarks at 2.1volts but was a bit unstable (hopefully the voltage didn't damage it).

Planning to do a youtube video once I've moved into my new place!

With Socket 7, you could use AMD, Intel, Cyrix, Winchip, and Rise CPUs - was there ever a socket prior to that where you had the option of using a CPU from so many different companies? I know that Intel went to a patented socket after that, and the other manufacturers followed suit, putting an end to shared socket platforms.

Repo Man11 wrote on 2021-11-02, 01:30:

With Socket 7, you could use AMD, Intel, Cyrix, Winchip, and Rise CPUs - was there ever a socket prior to that where you had the option of using a CPU from so many different companies? I know that Intel went to a patented socket after that, and the other manufacturers followed suit, putting an end to shared socket platforms.

Yes in the realm of ZIF sockets, both Socket 3 and Socket 5 were notable for this as well. Especially Socket 3.
I'm not sure if Socket 2 eve support anything other than Intel chips, or rather if anyone made any chips that were compatible. Socket 6 was very short lived iirc and likely has the same story.
Other more knowledgeable folks might chime in to correct me though.

red-ray wrote on 2021-11-01, 19:23:

Sphere478 wrote on 2021-11-01, 18:06:

w1zard is that you?

I have no idea what "w1zard is that you?" means as it makes no sense at all.

there is a user on another forum using your avatar

Jasin Natael wrote on 2021-11-01, 21:22:

Always been curious about these chips. Seem relatively rare in any form. I was under the impression that the mP6 used some sort of BGA to PGA package on the Socket 7 platform?
This is one reason I always assumed so many of these chips seem to be found dead. I could be wrong on all that though, as I've never seen one in person.

yes i have heard about the issues. hopefully mine comes in okay

Repo Man11 wrote on 2021-11-02, 01:30:

With Socket 7, you could use AMD, Intel, Cyrix, Winchip, and Rise CPUs - was there ever a socket prior to that where you had the option of using a CPU from so many different companies? I know that Intel went to a patented socket after that, and the other manufacturers followed suit, putting an end to shared socket platforms.

yes, socket 7 was the last great socket to play with in my opinion. everything got boring and specialized after that

Jasin Natael wrote on 2021-11-02, 15:26:

Yes in the realm of ZIF sockets, both Socket 3 and Socket 5 were notable for this as well. Especially Socket 3. I'm not sure if […]
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Repo Man11 wrote on 2021-11-02, 01:30:

With Socket 7, you could use AMD, Intel, Cyrix, Winchip, and Rise CPUs - was there ever a socket prior to that where you had the option of using a CPU from so many different companies? I know that Intel went to a patented socket after that, and the other manufacturers followed suit, putting an end to shared socket platforms.

Yes in the realm of ZIF sockets, both Socket 3 and Socket 5 were notable for this as well. Especially Socket 3.
I'm not sure if Socket 2 eve support anything other than Intel chips, or rather if anyone made any chips that were compatible. Socket 6 was very short lived iirc and likely has the same story.
Other more knowledgeable folks might chime in to correct me though.

https://www.easytechjunkie.com/what-is-socket-6.htm

Sphere478 wrote on 2021-11-03, 03:28:

red-ray wrote on 2021-11-01, 19:23:

Sphere478 wrote on 2021-11-01, 18:06:

w1zard is that you?

I have no idea what "w1zard is that you?" means as it makes no sense at all.

there is a user on another forum using your avatar

Such statements should include a link, I guess you mean https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gp … y-layout.65258/, but his avatar is totally different, it's not even red

Sphere478 wrote on 2021-11-03, 03:28:

Jasin Natael wrote on 2021-11-02, 15:26:

Yes in the realm of ZIF sockets, both Socket 3 and Socket 5 were notable for this as well. Especially Socket 3.
I'm not sure if Socket 2 eve support anything other than Intel chips, or rather if anyone made any chips that were compatible. Socket 6 was very short lived iirc and likely has the same story.
Other more knowledgeable folks might chime in to correct me though.

https://www.easytechjunkie.com/what-is-socket-6.htm

Socket 6 is a curiosity, I knew they were and Intel think but beyond that I've got zero knowledge of them.

Jasin Natael wrote on 2021-11-02, 15:26:

Yes in the realm of ZIF sockets, both Socket 3 and Socket 5 were notable for this as well. Especially Socket 3.
I'm not sure if Socket 2 eve support anything other than Intel chips, or rather if anyone made any chips that were compatible. Socket 6 was very short lived iirc and likely has the same story.
Other more knowledgeable folks might chime in to correct me though.

The "Sockets" were all designed for intel, so technically none of them are designed for non-intel chips.
There is essentially zero difference between socket2 and socket3, except for some minor keying related to the POD chips.
Socket6 is basically vapourware. Outside of a single photo I saw of some PC98 system, I have never seen another one.

Hey guys! Check this out,

That price though… 😬

https://spwindustrial.com/vintage-rare-rise-t … -mp65dpafh5-es/

I was lucky enough to get a NOS Rise iDragon CPU a few years ago for only $35 on eBay. It runs at 250MHz@2.0v with no issues. This one is mounted on a BGA to PGA package. Too bad Rise was late to the party coming out their CPU in 1998, by then there were better options available. The other thing they missed the boat on is only having a 8kx8k cache. This seems to really have held back performance. These are definitely not that common and I am just glad I got one when I did. A very interesting CPU to be sure.

Jasin Natael wrote on 2021-11-03, 14:04:

Sphere478 wrote on 2021-11-03, 03:28:

Jasin Natael wrote on 2021-11-02, 15:26:

Yes in the realm of ZIF sockets, both Socket 3 and Socket 5 were notable for this as well. Especially Socket 3.
I'm not sure if Socket 2 eve support anything other than Intel chips, or rather if anyone made any chips that were compatible. Socket 6 was very short lived iirc and likely has the same story.
Other more knowledgeable folks might chime in to correct me though.

https://www.easytechjunkie.com/what-is-socket-6.htm

Socket 6 is a curiosity, I knew they were and Intel think but beyond that I've got zero knowledge of them.

Intel had originally intended to offer “32bit” Pentiums and 64bit pentiums

Socket 6 was intended for the “P24T for DX4” overdrive.
Because the Pentium overdrive(s) for dx4 systems never released socket 6 was too late for OEMs to be bothered with.

Had Intels original timeline been followed there might have been a reason for socket 6 but given Intels apparent loss of interest in overdrives and the extreme delay in the 83mhz p24t it’s surprising that Intel even mentioned Socket 6 when it likely already had given up on the 486 platform