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Reply 400 of 550, by fool

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-02-22, 00:10:

We need a 3d printed alignment tool for reinstalling the ihs squarely anyone able to make one?

Something really basic like this one? CPU on flat surface and set this on top of it. Height is a few tenths less than CPU so you can add some weight on it.
I haven't printed this yet but on next week I may have some time to play with it.

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Reply 401 of 550, by BitWrangler

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-24, 08:47:
crazytiti wrote on 2022-03-24, 07:51:

Maybe there's a way to know from the source.
Does anyone know someone who work at AMD at that time ?

Any chance the patent could tell us? How do we look that up?

Patents used to disclose things, the last few decades they hide things. Meaning we might find something like....

The method of iiv where a heat spreader is affixed to a CPU by means of fairy dust, and or chicken poop, and or dow corning 531 and or polysolixane metafuroate synthase, and or solder consisting of 1% 2% 3% 4% 5% 6% 7% 8% 9% 10%..... 100% tin and 1%... antimony and or elastomeric unobtanium and or horse puckey and or and or and or.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 402 of 550, by Sphere478

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fool wrote on 2022-03-24, 18:18:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-02-22, 00:10:

We need a 3d printed alignment tool for reinstalling the ihs squarely anyone able to make one?

Something really basic like this one? CPU on flat surface and set this on top of it. Height is a few tenths less than CPU so you can add some weight on it.
I haven't printed this yet but on next week I may have some time to play with it.

Ooo sweet!!! Anyone with a printer able to send me one? I’ve been doing a bunch of these. And could use it!

If you are sure it fits, post the file and I’ll add it to the guide.

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 403 of 550, by fool

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-25, 00:45:

Ooo sweet!!! Anyone with a printer able to send me one? I’ve been doing a bunch of these. And could use it!

If you are sure it fits, post the file and I’ll add it to the guide.

I'll test it properly next week. I can make a draft today with another printer to see is there hope. If it fits I'll post the file. I can post one (not the draft) to you also, lets see. Fitting must be quite accurate and design may need some tuning. Added some estimate of shrinking and print overshoot so that it should fit.

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fool wrote on 2022-03-25, 05:55:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-25, 00:45:

Ooo sweet!!! Anyone with a printer able to send me one? I’ve been doing a bunch of these. And could use it!

If you are sure it fits, post the file and I’ll add it to the guide.

I'll test it properly next week. I can make a draft today with another printer to see is there hope. If it fits I'll post the file. I can post one (not the draft) to you also, lets see. Fitting must be quite accurate and design may need some tuning. Added some estimate of shrinking and print overshoot so that it should fit.

I wonder if there is a way to design this where it covers the top and bottom and allows me to put a clamp over it? It would be useful for when using epoxy on the core, get it thin as possible

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 405 of 550, by fool

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-25, 07:02:
fool wrote on 2022-03-25, 05:55:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-25, 00:45:

Ooo sweet!!! Anyone with a printer able to send me one? I’ve been doing a bunch of these. And could use it!

If you are sure it fits, post the file and I’ll add it to the guide.

I'll test it properly next week. I can make a draft today with another printer to see is there hope. If it fits I'll post the file. I can post one (not the draft) to you also, lets see. Fitting must be quite accurate and design may need some tuning. Added some estimate of shrinking and print overshoot so that it should fit.

I wonder if there is a way to design this where it covers the top and bottom and allows me to put a clamp over it? It would be useful for when using epoxy on the core, get it thin as possible

Yes, that can be done. I can make a sketch. Actually that was my first idea, but then I decided to make it easy and simple as possible.

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Reply 406 of 550, by Sphere478

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fool wrote on 2022-03-25, 07:24:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-25, 07:02:
fool wrote on 2022-03-25, 05:55:

I'll test it properly next week. I can make a draft today with another printer to see is there hope. If it fits I'll post the file. I can post one (not the draft) to you also, lets see. Fitting must be quite accurate and design may need some tuning. Added some estimate of shrinking and print overshoot so that it should fit.

I wonder if there is a way to design this where it covers the top and bottom and allows me to put a clamp over it? It would be useful for when using epoxy on the core, get it thin as possible

Yes, that can be done. I can make a sketch. Actually that was my first idea, but then I decided to make it easy and simple as possible.

Sweet! Lookin forward to what you figure out :p thanks!

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 407 of 550, by bloodem

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-25, 07:38:

Sweet! Lookin forward to what you figure out :p thanks!

@Sphere478, I have to say, you'd make a good project manager! 🤣

2 x PGA132 / 5 x Socket 3 / 9 x Socket 7 / 12 x SS7 / 1 x Socket 8 / 14 x Slot 1 / 5 x Slot A
5 x Socket 370 / 8 x Socket A / 2 x Socket 478 / 2 x Socket 754 / 3 x Socket 939 / 7 x LGA775 / 1 x LGA1155
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Reply 408 of 550, by Sphere478

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bloodem wrote on 2022-03-25, 07:46:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-25, 07:38:

Sweet! Lookin forward to what you figure out :p thanks!

@Sphere478, I have to say, you'd make a good project manager! 🤣

Thx 😀

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 409 of 550, by fool

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-25, 07:38:

Sweet! Lookin forward to what you figure out :p thanks!

Case fitting could be two tents narrower. Lid fits but is a bit on the tight side. I think it would be perfect after some scraping with knife. In the end it should work well enough.

Just made a quick sketch of the "two piece idea" and it prints already. This is just to test dependencies of two joining pieces.

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Reply 410 of 550, by Sphere478

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Sweet!!!! That looks perfect!

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 411 of 550, by Repo Man11

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On my K6-2+ 533; today I reattached the IHS. I again used AS5 for the core (after having completely cleaned both the core and the shield) but this time I used Permatex Ultra Black gasket maker for the corners. All I want out of an adhesive for this application is for it to be able to hold the IHS on when I remove the heat sink (rather than sticking to the heat sink) since the clamping force of the heat sink does the job the rest of the time, and after letting it run Prime95 most of the day I swapped the cooler and the IHS stayed on the CPU. With AS5 between the IHS and the core, and between the heat sink and the CPU, it runs at 616 with the core voltage at 2.2. The smaller Socket 7 CPU cooler I was using wasn't up to the job, and it would CTD when running 3D Mark - thinking it was too low on the core voltage, I went as high as 2.4, but the problem persisted. So I put on a bigger cooler (a Startech Socket 370) and was then able to lower the core voltage to 2.2 and it ran flawlessly.

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Reply 412 of 550, by Sphere478

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-03-26, 06:28:

On my K6-2+ 533; today I reattached the IHS. I again used AS5 for the core (after having completely cleaned both the core and the shield) but this time I used Permatex Ultra Black gasket maker for the corners. All I want out of an adhesive for this application is for it to be able to hold the IHS on when I remove the heat sink (rather than sticking to the heat sink) since the clamping force of the heat sink does the job the rest of the time, and after letting it run Prime95 most of the day I swapped the cooler and the IHS stayed on the CPU. With AS5 between the IHS and the core, and between the heat sink and the CPU, it runs at 616 with the core voltage at 2.2. The smaller Socket 7 CPU cooler I was using wasn't up to the job, and it would CTD when running 3D Mark - thinking it was too low on the core voltage, I went as high as 2.4, but the problem persisted. So I put on a bigger cooler (a Startech Socket 370) and was then able to lower the core voltage to 2.2 and it ran flawlessly.

Ty! 😀 added to OP

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 413 of 550, by fool

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Found acceptable dimensions. Looks like a good fit on the loose side so you don't have to hammer it down.
Some kind of "handle" would be great on the roof part, but it would also make printing much more difficult. I think it's fine as it is for a couple of glue jobs.

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Reply 414 of 550, by Sphere478

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fool wrote on 2022-03-27, 16:48:

Found acceptable dimensions. Looks like a good fit on the loose side so you don't have to hammer it down.
Some kind of "handle" would be great on the roof part, but it would also make printing much more difficult. I think it's fine as it is for a couple of glue jobs.

Sweet! Post 3d file and I’ll add it to the guide?

Can you send me one? :p

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
-
Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 415 of 550, by fool

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-28, 02:34:

Sweet! Post 3d file and I’ll add it to the guide?

Can you send me one? :p

I think it's possible if you cover expenses and you really want this 🤦

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Reply 416 of 550, by Repo Man11

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I redid the IHS on my 570E with the Ultra Black, and tried out a new Socket 370 cooler. These are available on Ebay for $10.00 plus shipping. It runs a little cooler, but the installed fan (same size, both 60 MM) runs about 2,000 RPM less, so lower noise level.

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Reply 417 of 550, by Sphere478

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-03-29, 17:47:

I redid the IHS on my 570E with the Ultra Black, and tried out a new Socket 370 cooler. These are available on Ebay for $10.00 plus shipping. It runs a little cooler, but the installed fan (same size, both 60 MM) runs about 2,000 RPM less, so lower noise level.

how much can you overclock?

fool wrote on 2022-03-29, 16:41:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-03-28, 02:34:

Sweet! Post 3d file and I’ll add it to the guide?

Can you send me one? :p

I think it's possible if you cover expenses and you really want this 🤦

Sent pm 😀

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
-
Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 418 of 550, by Repo Man11

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As far as overclocking goes, I can hit 616 on my Epox board with no issue; that's the speed I've left it at. In my Soyo board I could hit 620 (5x124) with this cpu, as well as with my K6-2+ 550, but when I try it in this board it won't always POST, etc. So I'm going to recap my Epox board to make sure that isn't the issue. I ordered the caps today.

"A lot of times when you first start out on a project you think, This is never going to be finished. But then it is, and you think, Wow, it wasn't even worth it." - Jack Handey

Reply 419 of 550, by Tetrium

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-03-29, 17:47:

I redid the IHS on my 570E with the Ultra Black, and tried out a new Socket 370 cooler. These are available on Ebay for $10.00 plus shipping. It runs a little cooler, but the installed fan (same size, both 60 MM) runs about 2,000 RPM less, so lower noise level.

This HSF looks rather nice. It's also quite similar in design to one type of stock sA HSF that used to cool my Barton 3200+ though that HSF had a copper base.

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