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First post, by sirotkaslo

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Hi,
I'm trying to build a bit of an all arounder for win98se and xp dual boot. I am deciding betweeen socket 754: Gigabyte K8ns, EPoX EP-8KDA3I and socket 939 but will need a new motherbord because my 939dual-sata2 has to few pci slots. I'm looking at the gigabyte k8nsc-939.

There will be a V2 sli and SBlive/vortex2 (if I can find one) in this pc and main gpu fx 5900xt.

If 939 with dual channel worth it over 754 if I get an x2 cpu?

I also have the 4coredual-sata2 r2.0 which is currently paired with the Radeon Hd 3850, but most of the games that need that powerful gpu also work on my modern pc.

I've done some testing and q3@1280*1024 gives the following score

Socket 754 A64 3000+@2.2Ghz: 320fps
Socket 939 (939dual-sata2) a64 3200+@2.1Ghz: 327fps
Socket 775 c2d E7500: 363fps

So which platform would be best, use the 775 or 754 which I have or buy the 939 motherboard?

thank you

Reply 1 of 20, by TrashPanda

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Which ever one has the best 98se drivers for the hardware you want to use, XP shouldn't be an issue with this hardware so 98se support is the one condition you need to meet.

Im crazy not stupid, well not stupid enough to make claims that are total nonsense.

Reply 3 of 20, by BitWrangler

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Probably not, merely a decade ago ppl were still complaining that games relied too much on single core performance and didn't take enough advantage of multithreading... and HT had been a thing for practically a decade then, and enthusiasts had been putting together dual PIII and athlon systems a couple of years longer than that. There were some exceptions but they were still a couple of years past the 5900XTs prime.

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Reply 5 of 20, by sirotkaslo

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Did some more testing.

UT99 in opengl

775:
1024*768 264fps
1280*1024 198fps

939:
1024*768 152fps
1280*1024 151fps
1440*1'5' 152fps

So it's clear that even gpu as old as the FX series benefit from stronger cpus.

Reply 6 of 20, by pixel_workbench

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Or rather it tells me that Q3 and UT99 are not putting enough load on the GPU to stress a fx5900, as given by the triple digit fps numbers. That doesn't mean that the fx5900 is cpu limited by anything less than a 3+ GHz Core2.

A more accurate test would be games from the late DX8 era like NOLF2, Max Payne 2, or Unreal 2.

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Reply 7 of 20, by BitWrangler

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Far Cry or Crysis if you really wanna punish it.

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Reply 8 of 20, by TrashPanda

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pixel_workbench wrote on 2022-01-23, 16:52:

Or rather it tells me that Q3 and UT99 are not putting enough load on the GPU to stress a fx5900, as given by the triple digit fps numbers. That doesn't mean that the fx5900 is cpu limited by anything less than a 3+ GHz Core2.

A more accurate test would be games from the late DX8 era like NOLF2, Max Payne 2, or Unreal 2.

Pssssst wanna really stress a FX series GPU .. just find a nice DX9 game and run it at 1600x1200 maxed details and watch that poor little FX card choke to death when it cant process DX9 draw calls fast enough.

As bit wrangler suggests . .Crysis would be perfect with Far Cry a close second.

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Reply 10 of 20, by sirotkaslo

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-23, 17:15:

Pssssst wanna really stress a FX series GPU .. just find a nice DX9 game and run it at 1600x1200 maxed details and watch that poor little FX card choke to death when it cant process DX9 draw calls fast enough.

As bit wrangler suggests . .Crysis would be perfect with Far Cry a close second.

Still the best gpu for what I want with this pc, V2 sli for win98 and fx with nglide when i want something faster in XP.

Reply 11 of 20, by pixel_workbench

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-23, 17:15:

Pssssst wanna really stress a FX series GPU .. just find a nice DX9 game and run it at 1600x1200 maxed details and watch that poor little FX card choke to death when it cant process DX9 draw calls fast enough.

As bit wrangler suggests . .Crysis would be perfect with Far Cry a close second.

Well, I'm working under the assumption that anyone using an FX card knows to avoid DX9 like the plague.

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Reply 12 of 20, by TrashPanda

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pixel_workbench wrote on 2022-01-23, 17:36:
TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-23, 17:15:

Pssssst wanna really stress a FX series GPU .. just find a nice DX9 game and run it at 1600x1200 maxed details and watch that poor little FX card choke to death when it cant process DX9 draw calls fast enough.

As bit wrangler suggests . .Crysis would be perfect with Far Cry a close second.

Well, I'm working under the assumption that anyone using an FX card knows to avoid DX9 like the plague.

well you did suggest finding something that would stress the GPU 🤣.

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Reply 13 of 20, by sirotkaslo

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Far cry
775
1280*1024 44,31 fps
Opengl Pc games hardware demo, maximum details

Have to install everything onto my 939 machine and run the test again

Edit:

939: 40,32fps, so yeah only about 10% differece.

As far as V2 goes, are there any differences between via vs nforce 3 chipset as far as compatibility goes?

Reply 14 of 20, by BitWrangler

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Better than I thought actually, thought they'd be in the 20s

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Reply 16 of 20, by RandomStranger

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I don't think this will work out on the long term. Windows 98 support was dropped way too fast after XP released and XP had a long rule. Whatever you build, it'll be either underpowered for XP or have compatibility issues with Windows 98, or both. I think these two operating systems are where you really want to go with two separate PCs. Pre-XP you have wiggle room to build an overpowered rig with decent compatibility all the way to the mid-to-late 80s through various slow down methods. An XP era machine is just not like that. The best you can get is a passable early XP era performance with good W98 compatibility.

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Reply 17 of 20, by BitWrangler

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Ought to name vanilla, SP1, SP2 and SP3 as four different OSes, XP, XQ, XR, XT or something with RAM CPU requirements of 256MB/600Mhz, 512/1000 1024/1500 2024/2000.

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Reply 18 of 20, by sirotkaslo

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This doesn't have to be the strongest winxp machine and later xp games will run on my modern pc or my c2d with radeon HD 3850. I just need something I can play most games up to 04 on it, because I will bring it to my pc room and leave everything else in my garage for now.

Reply 19 of 20, by sirotkaslo

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Ran the same far cry test on xp@3200 and it gets 25fps. Weird thing is that now i can see the gameplay on both 775 and 939 there was a black screen with only fps moving.