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First post, by rkurbatov

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Today I was testing all of my SCSI equipment I've bought during the last months 😀 I missed the SCSI completely, until I became the real system administrator in late 2000-s, but that was a time of SAS, nothing interesting. So I wanted to add a touch of SCSI to some of my builds.

1. For 486 I've got a strange Xirlink XL-221 ISA adapter that has one internal 50 pin narrow SCSI connector and one (probably) DB-25 that is unsoldered for some reason.
2. For Pentium (MMX) build I've got an ordinary Adaptec 2940 that was a companion to Sony SDT-7000 streamer. Narrow 50 pin cable, both seem working.
3. For Pentium II (III) build I've got very cheap LSI PCI-X raid controller that works on standard PCI board to my surprise. I was expecting problems there.

As for disks I have two WD 4360 (4.3G) with SCA-80 connectors, one IBM 18GB with 68 pin connector and three 73GB with SCA-80 (I want to put two of them in RAID-1).

I tried to put one of WD 4360 to XirLink-221 via SCA 80 / IDC 50 adapter without any success. One of the disk spindles up (though with some strange nosie), another one doesn't.
On the other hand, XL-221 complains on the cable that is "disconnected or reverse". I put SDT-7000 with terminator on the end of my 50-pin cable but the warning remains the same, though that works with Adaptec 2940. I tried several pins combinations like 'Delay Start', 'Don't negotiate Bus width' and so on. SCA-80 devices don't have their terminators and this HD has 16 bit bus but I suppose this one should be working nice with narrow 50 adapters, there were several types of that HDD with both narrow/wide bus. But it doesn't. So I think both WDs and the adapter are broken.

18GB 68 pin drive is detected on both Adaptec and LSI hosts but with 0 size. I need to dig more into that.

All of 73GB devices were tested and spindle the disk If I use my SCA-80/IDC-50 adapter but are not recognized. I doubt they can become 8 bit devices. I'm waiting for two more adapters SCA-80/HD-68 and hope they will work there with my terminated cable.

Dealing with old hardware is something like 75/25% game in my case 😀

486: ECS UM486 VLB, 256kb cache, i486 DX2/66, 8MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440AGi VLB 1MB, Pro Audio Spectrum 16, FDD 3.5, ZIP 100 ATA
PII: Asus P2B, Pentium II 400MHz, 512MB RAM, Trident 9750 AGP 4MB, Voodoo2 SLI, MonsterSound MX300

Reply 2 of 7, by TrashPanda

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stamasd wrote on 2022-01-29, 20:24:

Calling Luckybob, the resident local SCSI guru! 😁

I have a number of 10k Ultra 2, Ultra Wide 320 and a few Ultra 3 drives ...most are LVD but I have zero clue how to get them setup and running or what card I would even need to run them all together.

Reply 3 of 7, by rkurbatov

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Seems like this controller supports only SCSI CD-ROM and other media like MO and Iomega but not the ordinary SCSI hard drives. As I don't have any of this in SCSI shape I cannot test it. I need a VLB SCSI card for my 486.

486: ECS UM486 VLB, 256kb cache, i486 DX2/66, 8MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440AGi VLB 1MB, Pro Audio Spectrum 16, FDD 3.5, ZIP 100 ATA
PII: Asus P2B, Pentium II 400MHz, 512MB RAM, Trident 9750 AGP 4MB, Voodoo2 SLI, MonsterSound MX300

Reply 4 of 7, by weedeewee

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FYI, Some wide devices need high side termination to be able to use them on a narrow size bus. Good luck finding a cheap one though. 😒

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Reply 5 of 7, by rkurbatov

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weedeewee, I'm waiting for SCA to 68pin adapter. It's wide afaik. Then I'll retest everything, as I suspect that my drives are also don't work. But anyway, even the narrow ones should not work on that controller.

Though connecting my Sony SDT also makes XL-221 complaining on cable 😒 Just want to know if I can make any use of it.

486: ECS UM486 VLB, 256kb cache, i486 DX2/66, 8MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440AGi VLB 1MB, Pro Audio Spectrum 16, FDD 3.5, ZIP 100 ATA
PII: Asus P2B, Pentium II 400MHz, 512MB RAM, Trident 9750 AGP 4MB, Voodoo2 SLI, MonsterSound MX300

Reply 6 of 7, by Warlord

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If you are using scsi 3 drives and are trying to adapt them to 50 pins. You can't just terminate with a 50 pin terminator. You need adapters with built in termination for such a thing or to jumper the drives if it has pins to do so. It doesn't work because your drives aren't being terminated correctly. If you are trying to terminate 68 pin drive but are only terminating 50 pins than thats your problem

Reply 7 of 7, by rkurbatov

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Warlord, I tried to connect SCSI-2 tape streamer with terminator enabled on it and BIOS complained on 'non-connected cable'. Though the very same streamer and cable works on Adaptec UW2940.

486: ECS UM486 VLB, 256kb cache, i486 DX2/66, 8MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440AGi VLB 1MB, Pro Audio Spectrum 16, FDD 3.5, ZIP 100 ATA
PII: Asus P2B, Pentium II 400MHz, 512MB RAM, Trident 9750 AGP 4MB, Voodoo2 SLI, MonsterSound MX300