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Reply 120 of 249, by Necrodude

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Thunderbirds and DDR motherboards are OK.

We will have more competitions in the future. We will try to have better more thought through hardware rules in future competitions.

Maybe you can give us some input.
Me and my friends are discussing rules for a possible upcoming "1998" competition.

I was thinking something like this:
The theme is #Quake2toTheMax. The guy/gal that gets the highest fps score wins.

Max Pentium II 504mhz
Or K6-2 unlimited OC. This time it is k6-2. Not 3 or any of the + models.
I was thinking unlimited OC on the AMD cpu just give it a fighting chance with the pentium II:s K6-2 has 3dnow.

The hard part is graphic card rules. 3DFX Voodoo2 SLI or not? Or should we just skip the voodoo:s?

Or should we go for 1997 tech?

What do you guys think?

Any comments?

Reply 122 of 249, by Necrodude

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stef80 wrote on 2022-04-25, 19:21:

Are Mendocino Celerons allowed? They are more affordabale and clockable, since they are not limited by L2 cache chips.

Well. We havent really decided anything yet. But those celerons would be allowed if we decide to go with the Pentium II/K6-2 theme

How about banning the voodoo2 line of cards?

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It would be a much fairer competition since the voodoo2 is way faster then its competition.

Reply 123 of 249, by Meatball

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I'd like to see Windows NT 4.0 allowed in one of these contests.

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Reply 124 of 249, by Meatball

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Necrodude wrote on 2022-04-25, 20:28:
Well. We havent really decided anything yet. But those celerons would be allowed if we decide to go with the Pentium II/K6-2 the […]
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stef80 wrote on 2022-04-25, 19:21:

Are Mendocino Celerons allowed? They are more affordabale and clockable, since they are not limited by L2 cache chips.

Well. We havent really decided anything yet. But those celerons would be allowed if we decide to go with the Pentium II/K6-2 theme

How about banning the voodoo2 line of cards?

U0tzxgj.png

It would be a much fairer competition since the voodoo2 is way faster then its competition.

Or you could force a Voodoo2 into 800x600. The framerates are relatively equalized, and you keep the number of possible participants high.

***->WINNER, 1ST PLACE<-***
2022 #QUAKE3totheMAX -560.5fps-
Brain Drain Retro LAN https://discord.com/channels/799008837918261328
Windows ME
NForce2 A7N8X-E DLX
Athlon 848/154MHz
DDR@411MHz (2-3-3-3)
GeForce 256 DDR@144/344MHz
ESS Maestr0-1

Reply 127 of 249, by Tweakstone

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I love this contest!

cfg tweaking and building dlls or Q3 clients is alien to me, but I copied some stuff together and can bring some serious hardware from that era 😎
I think this is a really cool idea you came up with @necrodude - I only wished that the Geforce 256 DDR was excluded, because its release was 2000-02 and it would have been a ton more exciting regarding video cards.

Therefore I find the idea to exclude Voodoo 2 (/SLI) from a Q2 contest really good, because it opens up the possibility for more diverse builds.

I hope I can submit a result for Q3 by tomorrow 😀

Reply 128 of 249, by Cuttoon

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Tweakstone wrote on 2022-04-25, 21:57:
I love this contest! […]
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I love this contest!

cfg tweaking and building dlls or Q3 clients is alien to me, but I copied some stuff together and can bring some serious hardware from that era 😎
I think this is a really cool idea you came up with @necrodude - I only wished that the Geforce 256 DDR was excluded, because its release was 2000-02 and it would have been a ton more exciting regarding video cards.

Therefore I find the idea to exclude Voodoo 2 (/SLI) from a Q2 contest really good, because it opens up the possibility for more diverse builds.

I hope I can submit a result for Q3 by tomorrow 😀

OK, I realize again that I'm a Voodoo agnostic. Was finishing highschool and starting college back then, had other things to do, people to meet, barrels to drink.
Considered getting a set as a curiosity ten years ago, but they already were mid two digits. (only got a token single ct... 8 MB) Of course I could buy a house today, but still...
Are the SLI V2s supposed to beat a GF256 DDR? Really? They're what, two years older? Back then, that was eons...

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Reply 129 of 249, by Meatball

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Cuttoon wrote on 2022-04-25, 22:36:
OK, I realize again that I'm a Voodoo agnostic. Was finishing highschool and starting college back then, had other things to do, […]
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Tweakstone wrote on 2022-04-25, 21:57:
I love this contest! […]
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I love this contest!

cfg tweaking and building dlls or Q3 clients is alien to me, but I copied some stuff together and can bring some serious hardware from that era 😎
I think this is a really cool idea you came up with @necrodude - I only wished that the Geforce 256 DDR was excluded, because its release was 2000-02 and it would have been a ton more exciting regarding video cards.

Therefore I find the idea to exclude Voodoo 2 (/SLI) from a Q2 contest really good, because it opens up the possibility for more diverse builds.

I hope I can submit a result for Q3 by tomorrow 😀

OK, I realize again that I'm a Voodoo agnostic. Was finishing highschool and starting college back then, had other things to do, people to meet, barrels to drink.
Considered getting a set as a curiosity ten years ago, but they already were mid two digits. (only got a token single ct... 8 MB) Of course I could buy a house today, but still...
Are the SLI V2s supposed to beat a GF256 DDR? Really? They're what, two years older? Back then, that was eons...

Although it is not clear, the GeForce 256 comment is in reference to the Quake III contest ('Tweakstone' is suggesting it should have been banned). For the next contest, which is Quake 2, 'Tweakstone' agrees with the idea the Voodoo2 should be banned. The GeForce 256 and Voodoo2 were the tops of their generation.

***->WINNER, 1ST PLACE<-***
2022 #QUAKE3totheMAX -560.5fps-
Brain Drain Retro LAN https://discord.com/channels/799008837918261328
Windows ME
NForce2 A7N8X-E DLX
Athlon 848/154MHz
DDR@411MHz (2-3-3-3)
GeForce 256 DDR@144/344MHz
ESS Maestr0-1

Reply 130 of 249, by Tweakstone

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Yes, of course a V2 SLI cannot compete with a GeForce 256, let alone the DDR Version.

Voodoo 2 SLI was extremly powerful a its time, as it essentially offered next-Gen Performance back then and sometimes even reached Voodoo 3 3000 Performance (UT99 for example).

But GeForce 256 ist another Generation more and a completely different Level of Performance.

Typing english on a German Smartphone is Not fun. 😒

Reply 132 of 249, by BitWrangler

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Tweakstone wrote on 2022-04-26, 06:06:

Typing english on a German Smartphone is Not fun. 😒

The keyboard on my LG lets me flip between languages... which it usually does on me accidentally... typing like "I'm at the store shall I pick up a bag of flugzeugabwehrkanone flour? dammit."

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 135 of 249, by Meatball

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Garrett W wrote on 2022-04-26, 15:25:

Pentium II 504? Do you mean to say PII 450?

He means something like if you had a PII@400MHz using a 4 multiplier with a 126MHz bus, you'd get a PII@504MHz OC.

***->WINNER, 1ST PLACE<-***
2022 #QUAKE3totheMAX -560.5fps-
Brain Drain Retro LAN https://discord.com/channels/799008837918261328
Windows ME
NForce2 A7N8X-E DLX
Athlon 848/154MHz
DDR@411MHz (2-3-3-3)
GeForce 256 DDR@144/344MHz
ESS Maestr0-1

Reply 136 of 249, by Necrodude

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Meatball wrote on 2022-04-26, 15:43:
Garrett W wrote on 2022-04-26, 15:25:

Pentium II 504? Do you mean to say PII 450?

He means something like if you had a PII@400MHz using a 4 multiplier with a 126MHz bus, you'd get a PII@504MHz OC.

Or if you have a Pentium II 450 and you crank up the bus to 112mhz you will also get 504mhz.

Reply 138 of 249, by bloodem

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Necrodude wrote on 2022-04-26, 16:17:

I figured since the k6-2 is way slower then the Pentium II, it would be more fair to allow unlimited OC on the k6-2.
Even with the 3dnow patch installed the Pentium II 450 wins over a k6-2

Yeah, there's literally nothing that you can do with a standard K6-2 to make it surpass a Pentium 2 450 in Quake 2.
A very overclocked K6-3+, running at 633MHz or more can do it, though (with the 3DNow! patch).

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Reply 139 of 249, by bofh.fromhell

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So after quite a lot of testing I have concluded that once you hit a certain GPU level and certain settings in the game the GPU type just will not matter anymore.
Q3A seems to be 100% (or very near) CPU/mem speed limited.
I noticed this when I was playing around with my stack of GF2 MX's (they manage 100MHz AGP bus).
Overclocking them gave ZERO extra performance.
And chucking in a GF2-U for the lols showed the same thing.

Now its certainly possible that you still need a GeForce class graphics card and I didn't test with any TNT era cards.

But it seems like this is a test of finding a combination of bus-speeds, memory timings, drivers and what sound card that steals the least amount of performance =)

Anyways I'm throwing down this gauntlet:

https://youtu.be/BtJpZZfmrU4

The hardware used is in the comment.
No HW secrets from me.
And its far from fully tweaked.
And yea, the CPU-z version I'm using wont show the actual CPU frequency (notised after uploading the vid) but its legit.