rasz_pl wrote on 2022-10-23, 19:59:

because they worked on USB 2.0 host :) there are separate pins for 3.0 and 2.0 going to separate hardware blocks […]
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Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-23, 18:11:

Rather, the contrary. Most otherwise troublesome USB 1.x/2 devices worked like a charme on USB 3 ports.

because they worked on USB 2.0 host 😀 there are separate pins for 3.0 and 2.0 going to separate hardware blocks

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-23, 18:11:

Edit: The Intel USB3 controllers are or were poor, I recall.

Intel USB (2/3) was always the fastest and most reliable. Be it drives or SDR (software defined radio) Intel controllers always provide fastest speeds.

There are sketchy vendors like Jmicron where depending on firmware your device will work on intel or NEC 😀 https://goughlui.com/2015/11/01/review-orico- … 9558ru3-part-2/

>Instead, Intel did leave the task for providing backwards compatibility up to the USB hub.
>That's why there's so much trouble with USB3.0.

incompetent device manufacturers shipping garbage unable to work behind USB hub?

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-23, 18:11:

Notebooks and PCs with USB3 integrated into intel chipsets have issues booting Windows XP/Vista/7 Setup from USB pen drives. Unless they still have a dedicated USB 2.0 port left.

how? USB 2.0 pins in USB 3.0 port are connected to USB 2.0 host

candle_86 wrote on 2022-10-23, 19:55:

Brothers in Arms Road to Hill 30

http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/bro … dtohill30.shtml

candle_86 wrote on 2022-10-23, 19:55:

and Earned in Blood use securerom, they don't work right in Windows 7 even unless you buy the GOG or Steam versions that no longer have the DRM, but the disk version good luck, basically anything with securerom won't work right on Windows 7 and newer as it predates the OS, it will work in Vista though.

http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/bro … edinblood.shtml

candle_86 wrote on 2022-10-23, 19:55:

you can make it work but it has issues. These are just some of the use cases.

"you can make it work but it has issues" is how I would describe trying to run XP in general 😉

I dunno what you've run into but I have no issues with XP it's still rock solid stable if your using the right hardware, I've got on 4 computers right now, the newest is my Phneom II X4 955 with an HD 4850 and 4gb DDR3 1600, its rock solid stable.

Oh, well. rasz_pl, I'm afraid you didn't understand what I meant to say. 🙁
It's likely because of my poor/wooden English, I suppose.
It used to be much more eloquent years ago (no, really). I guess it's time that I take some English lessons again, hah. 😅

Edit: Okay, one more try..
In the diagram below, there are the function blocks of an USB 3 controller shown.

In Intel's implementation, the "High Speed" block for Legacy USB is missing.
Its task is performed externally by an USB 3 hub (attached to "Super Speed" block).

USB peripherals don't care, but OSes won't see nothing except an XHCI controller.
Because there only is. OHCI/EHCI isn't physically available as a fallback.

One issue with mini ITX for XP I didn't see brought up, was the single slot.

Sure you can put in a nice graphics card, but if you really want to experience the XP-only games, then a Sound Blaster X-Fi with EAX 5.0 can make some games sound much more immersive. Was the plan just using onboard audio?

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-23, 21:18:

In Intel's implementation, the "High Speed" block for Legacy USB is missing. Its task is performed externally by an USB 3 hub ( […]
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In Intel's implementation, the "High Speed" block for Legacy USB is missing.
Its task is performed externally by an USB 3 hub (attached to "Super Speed" block).

USB peripherals don't care, but OSes won't see nothing except an XHCI controller.
Because there only is. OHCI/EHCI isn't physically available as a fallback.

Now I get what youre complaining about. Something like Z87 (what Im using right now) can force chipset to switch routing between EHCI and XHCI https://winraid.level1techs.com/t/asrock-z97- … -problems/33161. On never stuff XHCI take care of USB 2.0 using Rate Matching Hub http://beronet.com/wp-content/uploads/d ... 20r1p0.pdf
This is exactly how EHCI took over from OHCI, USB 1.1 handled by Rate Matching Hubs https://www.manualslib.com/manual/407247/Inte … 1.html?page=214

It is possible to get a ryzen system working on Windows XP (same with 7 of course). I've seen people running Windows 98 on Ryzen with PCI soundcards and voodoo pci cards.

XP requires a LOT of fiddling. There are entire forum discussions revolved around the topic of hacking chipset drivers, etc for windows xp in use with Ryzen, to get working audio, ethernet, disk interfaces (the entire chipset.)

It all depends on how deep down the rabbit hole you are willing to go and if you think it's worth it.

mikedebian wrote on 2022-10-24, 20:27:

It all depends on how deep down the rabbit hole you are willing to go and if you think it's worth it.

True. And I think the same can be said about using Windows 8.1/10/11.

Personally, a few years ago, I would rather have had spent a whole week for
modifying XP to run on an unsupported, recent hardware than using either of the new releases after Windows 7. 🙂

Edit: Good news! Found the box of one of the old USB 3 cards..
It's a Transcend model (TS-PDU3) with official XP support! Photos taken and attached for you guys!

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-24, 22:28:

Edit: Good news! Found the box of one of the old USB 3 cards..
It's a Transcend model (TS-PDU3) with official XP support! Photos taken and attached for you guys!

Thanks ! might just buy one or two. It uses Renesas chip from INF of the driver from Transcend....

Is true early xp games not working on gtx 400 and up series i think i should get gtx 285 for this

Chipi2005 wrote on 2022-10-25, 04:18:

Is true early xp games not working on gtx 400 and up series i think i should get gtx 285 for this

is not true
😀

The Geforce 750 Ti wasn't bad, either. It had Windows XP support and worked with office PCs.
Merely a 350W PSU was needed.

gerwin wrote on 2022-10-19, 20:27:

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-10-19, 19:55:

Why suggest it when you haven't tried it?

Most likely Xeon + motherboard from China issue. Then again, you can manually tweak multiplier and voltage in OS on brandname motherboards.

It does not say the brand/type. Just X79 chipset.
Until someone verifies from observation that another X79 motherboard does not have these issues, I will go with what I quoted.

The board I used was a Gigabyte X79-UP4, with the latest bios. So not a China noname board issue.

Chipi2005 wrote on 2022-10-25, 04:18:

Is true early xp games not working on gtx 400 and up series i think i should get gtx 285 for this

not true at all, i do see lower DX7 and 8 preformance on newer cards than I do on older cards but its a diffrence between 400 and 600fps so it doesn't really matter, they just stopped opimizations for older directX, soon I expect them to stop worrying about DX9 optimzations

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-10-19, 16:16:

Whats the point when newest windows 11 can run all of the XP/Win7 software perfectly?

XP 32-bit can run a lot of games, including Windows 98 titles, so it's a versatile platform.

Also, I use it for my old professional Nikon film scanner which hasn't been supported after Windows XP.

SScorpio wrote on 2022-10-23, 22:06:

One issue with mini ITX for XP I didn't see brought up, was the single slot.

Sure you can put in a nice graphics card, but if you really want to experience the XP-only games, then a Sound Blaster X-Fi with EAX 5.0 can make some games sound much more immersive. Was the plan just using onboard audio?

Great point, hence I've widened my scope to include microATX boards. For Windows 7 I only need the GPU slot, but for XP I will surely use an additional X-Fi card! So microATX it is!

Now you can all see why these forums are so great! Great inputs and ideas from everyone in this thread!

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-25, 04:38:

The Geforce 750 Ti wasn't bad, either. It had Windows XP support and worked with office PCs.
Merely a 350W PSU was needed.

That's what I use in my current Sandy Bridge XP system. Haven't run into any issues with it and Win XP yet.

Simmerhead wrote on 2022-10-28, 07:42:

Also, I use it for my old professional Nikon film scanner which hasn't been supported after Windows XP.

You've got a Super COOLSCAN 5000/9000 ED? Wow. 🤟 I've been hesitant to buy a film scanner for years.

Horun wrote on 2022-10-25, 01:37:

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-24, 22:28:

Edit: Good news! Found the box of one of the old USB 3 cards..
It's a Transcend model (TS-PDU3) with official XP support! Photos taken and attached for you guys!

Thanks ! might just buy one or two. It uses Renesas chip from INF of the driver from Transcend....

Just got one NOS made in 2012, only took 3 days to deliver. Found the manuals and drivers earlier and will give it a try this weekend if I have time.

Simmerhead wrote on 2022-10-28, 07:42:

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-10-19, 16:16:

Whats the point when newest windows 11 can run all of the XP/Win7 software perfectly?

XP 32-bit can run a lot of games, including Windows 98 titles, so it's a versatile platform.

Also, I use it for my old professional Nikon film scanner which hasn't been supported after Windows XP.

For me the justification for having a Windows 98/XP rig is compatibility. Emulators tend to have quite a lot of issues, although DOS emulation is mostly fine. Compatibility mode doesn't work well for games as emulating older Windows API isn't sufficient, one also needs older DirectX and graphics driver.

Windows 98/XP games are quite good. They are so good it is often unnecessary to purchase new games as these old ones are abandonware. Basically same problem as with porn. There is no need to have the newest one.

dormcat wrote on 2022-10-28, 14:14:

Simmerhead wrote on 2022-10-28, 07:42:

Also, I use it for my old professional Nikon film scanner which hasn't been supported after Windows XP.

You've got a Super COOLSCAN 5000/9000 ED? Wow. 🤟 I've been hesitant to buy a film scanner for years.

Indeed I do - A 5000 ED. I also had a drum scanner for large film, but I've completed scanning all my large format film, and a good flatbed scanner does a pretty good job these days.

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-19, 16:37:

Certain things don't work anymore, sadly. Windows XP supported DirectMusic for the last time, for example. […]
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rasz_pl wrote on 2022-10-19, 16:16:

Whats the point when newest windows 11 can run all of the XP/Win7 software perfectly?

Certain things don't work anymore, sadly.
Windows XP supported DirectMusic for the last time, for example.

Softsynths like SYXG50 (XG Standard) or Roland Soundcanvas v3 (SC-55, SC-88) were able to appear as both MCI and DirectX compatible synthesizers.

It also supported other audio APIs via proprietary drivers.
A3D 1.0+2.0, EAX v1+v2, DirectSound 3D (HW mixing on the soundcard), OpenAL, ASIO etc.

And it supported the legacy components ISA, MPU-401 and Gameport still.
Okay, strictly speaking, ISA support was mainly restricted to the newer ISA PnP,
but old hardware could still made work with a bit of thinkering. 😀

I didn't know ASIO was confined upto xp. I use it on Windows 10 for listening to flac via foobar 2000 and ASIO WASAPI all the time