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First post, by weldum

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Hi, I have bought a Qbex BookPC which has the PCChips BKi810 V3.3 motherboard. It's the same that's on this review: http://www.dansdata.com/bookpcblack.htm
The computer was sold as non-working.
Upon further inspection, it seems that the small "PC100" branded PSU failed and killed the motherboard, as in the motherboard, the 12v line is in short to ground.

I'm not concerned as to get a replacement PSU as you can use a standard ATX PSU, ignoring that's way bigger.
But the issue here is to see where is the short and fix it, if possible.

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From what I can see, the PSU only gives 12v to the motherboard, and there it makes 5v and 3.3v. From the molex connector on the motherboard you can connect hdd, cd drive and floppy drive.
The thing is to identify and possibly fix the short, or to bypass that part of the motherboard and feed the voltages directly.

Sadly i'm not that skilled to tacke a repair like this, I liked the form factor to be honest. But if I can fix the board it would be awesome.

If someone have some info or advices on how to do this, i'd would be very helpful.

PS: Some photos of the board, It had a little transformer that was like smashed so I took out, and there's a mosfet regulator I think that I got with the legs disconnected from the board in case that was the faulty component.
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DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475

Reply 1 of 20, by bogdanpaulb

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First , can you confirm the color of the wires of the psu connector going in to the motherboard ?

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Reply 2 of 20, by weldum

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yes, the color of the wires are the same as in your picture.
as i stated previously, i took out the transformer
i'm considering bypassing that part of the psu and feed the voltages directly from a standard atx psu

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475

Reply 3 of 20, by bogdanpaulb

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What do you get when you measure in continuity/diode mode that point to psu connector ground (black wire) and 12 v (yellow wire) ?

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Reply 4 of 20, by weldum

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to ground direct short = 0 ohms
to 12v rail = 22.4 ohms but the value goes down slowly over time

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475

Reply 5 of 20, by bogdanpaulb

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Can you desolder the coil , but only that end and lift it up a little so it wold brake contact with the board ? And then check on which side you have the short to ground ( the other contact of the coil to ground or at the psu connector) ?

Reply 6 of 20, by weldum

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ground to coil = 0 ohms (no connection)
ground to point in the board = short

now there are no shorts in between the 12v rail and ground

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475

Reply 7 of 20, by bogdanpaulb

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Can you confirm the lane in the pic ?
If so , do you still have the ram and the cpu on the board ?

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Reply 8 of 20, by weldum

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yes, it's shorted to ground
i have the original processor and ram (celeron 533mhz and 128mb pc100)
also i have other celeron/pentium 3 processors for testing and many pc100 and pc133 modules

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475

Reply 10 of 20, by weldum

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mother with everything = short
mother with cpu = short
mother with ram = open
mother "empty" = open

so, it seems that the short is in the cpu socket or some related component...

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475

Reply 11 of 20, by bogdanpaulb

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Ok , now with nothing installed on the board measure between '1' and '2' for continuity while the pin of the coil is still not connected .

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Reply 12 of 20, by weldum

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short but the two are 12v

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475

Reply 13 of 20, by bogdanpaulb

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So you have a short between '1' and one of the 12v pins ? If that is correct , that should be the vrm stage for the cpu and it's compromised ('feeding' 12v in to the cpu). Lift both pins of the selected components and test/check for short.

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Reply 14 of 20, by weldum

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okay, i'm gonna do those tests later
if 12v went directly to the cpu, it may have killed it...

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475

Reply 16 of 20, by weldum

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well, i've lifted the legs in both components, now there's no short to be found
maybe now the cpu would not get any power?

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475

Reply 17 of 20, by bogdanpaulb

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Keep checking that stage , it's not normal to have 12v just pass trough it. (Your initial 'short' to ground on the 12v rail was the cpu , if you solder everything back(including the coil/inductor) and put the cpu in the socket , the'short' on the 12v rail will be back).
Also did you check for short between all the 3 contacts of each component ?

Reply 19 of 20, by weldum

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sorry, i was a little bit busy
the big one is a MOSPEC S20s40C, schottky barrier rectifier, it has no continuity in between legs
the small one is a Phillips Semiconductor PHD69N03LT, N channel MOSFET, has continuity in between legs
in both components i've tested in every way possible that I know (reversed polarity,using the board ground)

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475