look at my sound test scores in 3dmark 2003, they seem too low to me.

Tom.. wrote on 2023-05-14, 17:08:

look at my sound test scores in 3dmark 2003, they seem too low to me.

I did a quick Google to see what's normal, pretty much 0 results.

I'm confident that the results will be worse than for nForce2 with Soundstorm but that said I have no idea whats normal for nForce2 either as I only run the game and CPU tests to save time.

I will cobble together a quick test setup with the A7V880. But I'm going away on a short vacation starting Thursday so it will not be next weekend but the one after that.

No need to rush, if you don't forget, check it out at your leisure, Thanks

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I also changed the memory settings (command rate (CR 1T), the improvement is rather small.. (The sound card in the tests is Creative Sound Blaster Live)

I am back from my vacation but I managed to bring home a nasty cold. I'm very rarely sick but when I am I have a hard time finding the motivation do do anything useful even if I'm not even sick enough to stay home from work.

So I have not built a system with the Asus A7V880 to help Tom or posted the results for the Geforce FX5900 Ultra benching I did before going away, both things I had planned to do this weekend.

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For now here is an image showing the two Asus A7V880 motherboards I managed to find among my other Socket A boards before going away.

With luck my cold gives up and I find the motivation do do some retro computer tinkering during the coming week.

Get well soon 😀

I found another computer with a motherboard on Socket A ECS K7S5A (Non-Official BIOS - Honey X) .. The graphics card (Sapphire Radeon 9550 256 MB) has very weak memory, you can't overclock it much 😉

I also launched Doom 3 1.1 + Doom 3 ATi shader tweak (interaction.vfp) , with the following settings 1024x768 , 800x600 Low Quality , shadows off..
+ autoexec.cfg 😉

r_shadows 0
seta com_videoRam "256"
seta image_filter "GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_NEAREST"
seta g_projectileLights "0"
seta g_doubleVision "0"
seta g_muzzleFlash "0"
seta com_purgeAll "1"
seta image_useCache "1"
seta image_cacheMegs "256"
seta image_cacheMinK "32768"
seta m_smooth "6"

1024x768

800 x600

Tom.. wrote on 2023-05-29, 07:52:

Get well soon 😀

I found another computer with a motherboard on Socket A ECS K7S5A (Non-Official BIOS - Honey X) .. The graphics card (Sapphire Radeon 9550 256 MB) has very weak memory, you can't overclock it much 😉

My cold is still lingering somewhat but as the Geforce FX5900 Ultra was released in May 20 years ago I should at least manage to post... something before May ends. 😁

Nice results with the ECS K7S5A, it was a popular (and/because cheap) motherboard back then.

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The Geforce FX5900 Ultra can not compete with the Radeon 9800 Pro in games and benchmarks that use DirectX9, we all know that. Without using "special drivers" the FX card has a hard time competing in most DX8 titles and benchmarks as well but in even older old games it usually shines.

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Here are some benchmarks with the Nvidia Geforce FX5900 Ultra tested on the Asus P4C800 and P4 3.0C.

3DMark2001. Pentium 4 3.0C + Geforce FX5900 Ultra.

3DMark03. Pentium 4 3.0C + Geforce FX5900 Ultra.

3DMark05. Pentium 4 3.0C + Geforce FX5900 Ultra.

3DMark06. Pentium 4 3.0C + Geforce FX5900 Ultra.

Doom 3 1024*768 Ultra. Pentium 4 3.0C + Geforce FX5900 Ultra.

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The FX5900 Ultras results in 3DMark 2001 and 2003 are decent and at least close to the Radeon 9800 Pro. The Doom 3 result looks great until you realize that the FX series of cards aren't even using the same rendering path as the Radeon 9800 Pro but instead fall back to an older and less demanding one. In 3DMark2005 and 3DMark2006 the FX5900 Ultra gets totally crushed by the Radeon card.

When it comes to DirectX8 and older the performance gap (where there is one) to the Radeon 9800 Pro can probably be closed with overclocking. When it comes to DirectX9 the Geforce FX series seems as hopeless as ever.

Hardly anyone had such cards at the beginning of 2003. I wonder how Doom 3 works, for example, on a P4 2000(Willamette), 2200/2400(Northwood) with a GF 5200/5500/5600 graphics card.
Performance will probably be very poor.

I found results with shadows on and off.. https://web.archive.org/web/20041216045113/ht … trona-4a.html#2

Tom.. wrote on 2023-05-31, 05:27:

Hardly anyone had such cards at the beginning of 2003. I wonder how Doom 3 works, for example, on a P4 2000(Willamette), 2200/2400(Northwood) with a GF 5200/5500/5600 graphics card.
Performance will probably be very poor.

I will test slower FX and Radeon cards a bit later when it's otherwise slow on the hardware front. 😀

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With overclocking I was aiming to get the Geforce FX5900 Ultra to score over 20K in 3dmark2001 on a period correct system. The sensible way to do this is to mimic the clocks of the FX5800 Ultra 500/1000 as these are safe...ish clocks most FX5900 Ultra cards can handle.

For some reason the FX5900 Ultra went in to "limp home" mode as soon as I touched the memory clock. I tried a few tools with the same result and finally gave up. I have had this issue before and I probably solved it by using Coolbits but now I just couldn't be bothered. Instead I turned on the other available knobs until the clock said 20.

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Even the Geforce FX5900 Ultra could do 20K+ points in 3DMark2001 back in May 2003.

P4 3.0C@3750 Geforce FX5900 Ultra OC

I have a weak motherboard (Medion) with P4 Northwood, but there is no possibility to overclock the processor..
The graphics card has nothing to do with 2003, I am posting the results as a curiosity..

Doom 3 1.2 Ultra 1024x768

Back before 1995 the internet did not exist for most people. Novell was the BIG Networking company connecting all kinds of computers
PC and Macs. With the release of Win-95 with Internet Explorer built-in and Webserver support the internet became main stream.
“E-commerce” over the Internet was the BIG Frontier. A NEW land to populate. Online banking was the 1st step. Get banks online to enable transactions for goods and services. EA Sports was the BIG video game maker for PC. The Intel Pentium was Dominating the computer market. Microsoft had a plan to get computers in every home in America.

What has that got to do with the topic (hardware from 2003, early x64 CPUs and related stuff)?

debs3759 wrote on 2023-06-01, 04:34:

What has that got to do with the topic (hardware from 2003, early x64 CPUs and related stuff)?

I too am confused by Dx33s post, perhaps they posted to the wrong thread ?

Or they forgot that 1995 was 28 years ago and has little to do with 2003 era hardware.

Tom.. wrote on 2023-05-31, 05:27:

Hardly anyone had such cards at the beginning of 2003. I wonder how Doom 3 works, for example, on a P4 2000(Willamette), 2200/24 […]
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Hardly anyone had such cards at the beginning of 2003. I wonder how Doom 3 works, for example, on a P4 2000(Willamette), 2200/2400(Northwood) with a GF 5200/5500/5600 graphics card.
Performance will probably be very poor.

I found results with shadows on and off.. https://web.archive.org/web/20041216045113/ht … trona-4a.html#2

what's interesting, other than the difference relating to shadows, is that doom 3 does work and could be played with a p4 2ghz and even fx5200 if willing to play at low resolution without shadows. Not played ideally perhaps, but kinda playable and i wonder if back then some people did want to experience doom 3 enough to accept compromises due to the hardware they had rather than wait to upgrade (i guess also true of many games in many years)

2001 thru 2010 was when G.W. Bush was president.
TV tuner cards and Multi media computers were all the rage.
Pentium-4 era.
Dell Optiplex, HP Pavilion, Compaq computers, Multi media keyboards with short cuts,
Windows XP, the release of WIFI Networking, Linksys WIFI routers, Gigabit Ethernet Networking. Cat-5 ethernet, Wireless G-band Networking.

Fry’s electronics, Radio shack, Circuit city, Good guys electronics, EBay, online computer auction sites,
Best Buy, Sears, Target, Walmart, Price club.

Nvidia Geforce, Voodoo 3, ATI Rage, Matrox Dual head video cards.

Intel and AMD

The NEW Frontier for Computers Today is the “Metaverse” “Virtual Reality” is the NEW Frontier.
And Robotics.

Robots can go places humans can’t and perform tasks to dangerous for humans.
( Rescues, Natural disasters, Man made disasters and contaminations, Space exploration. Etc )

Humanity Owes it to those that came before us and sacrificed their lives so we could get to this point in human evolution and technology.
The Good things that Robots are going to do in the future is astounding. The Rescuing of human lives.

It’s a Great time to be Alive and be part of this NEW Technology era.

The NEW Frontier is to Populate the Metaverse. Its the Next level in the Internet.

The Rumor is Apple will announce a NEW Virtual Reality headset at World Wide Developers Conference 23 ( WWDC23 )

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2023-06-01, 08:10:

2001 thru 2010 was when G.W. Bush was president. TV tuner cards and Multi media computers were all the rage. Pentium-4 era. Dell […]
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2001 thru 2010 was when G.W. Bush was president.
TV tuner cards and Multi media computers were all the rage.
Pentium-4 era.
Dell Optiplex, HP Pavilion, Compaq computers, Multi media keyboards with short cuts,
Windows XP, the release of WIFI Networking, Linksys WIFI routers, Gigabit Ethernet Networking. Cat-5 ethernet, Wireless G-band Networking.

Fry’s electronics, Radio shack, Circuit city, Good guys electronics, EBay, online computer auction sites,
Best Buy, Sears, Target, Walmart, Price club.

Nvidia Geforce, Voodoo 3, ATI Rage.

Intel and AMD

The NEW Frontier for Computers Today is the “Metaverse” “Virtual Reality” is the NEW Frontier.
Robotics.

Robots can go places humans can’t and perform tasks to dangerous for humans.
( Rescues, Natural disasters, Man made disasters and contaminations, Space exploration. Etc )

Humanity Owes it to those that came before us and sacrificed their lives so we could get to this point in human evolution and technology.
The Good things that Robots are going to do in the future is astounding. The Rescuing of human lives.

It’s a Great time to be Alive and be part of this NEW Technology era.

The NEW Frontier is to Populate the Metaverse.

NANI?? 😮

Well it's nice that the chat bots try to contribute to the topic but sometimes I wish that their owners did a better job tweaking their algorithms.

Just about 20 years old.. 2004, my favorite SFF system: IWILL ZMAXDP Dual Opteron SFF

wiretap wrote on 2023-06-01, 14:43:

Just about 20 years old.. 2004, my favorite SFF system: IWILL ZMAXDP Dual Opteron SFF

That is indeed a very nice system!

I have a couple of small form-factor systems my self that probably will be featured in the thread. One is an Asus s478 i865g based system and one is an Aopen s775 i915 based.

The Asus i865g system will turn 20 years old... about now and the i915 one next year. 😀

20 years ago today Intel released the Pentium 4 3.2C.

The 3200 MHz model of the P4 Northwood lineup is not much faster than the 3000 MHz model and therefor not very exiting and the testing/showcase reflects that by being somewhat of a low effort.

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In Cinebench 11.5 the P4 3.2C beats the 3.0C by the smallest of margins.

The story is pretty much the same in Frybench.

7-Zip 32M, fast but not much faster than the 3.0C so not very exiting.

P4 3.2C SuperPI 1M

P4 3.2C SuperPI 32M

Some more benchmarks with the Pentium 4 3.2C

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Aida64 Cache & Memory Benchmark plus PhotoWorxx. The Pentium 4 3.2C does well here but so did the 3.0C.

P4 4 3.2C + Geforec FX5900U 3dmark2001. I could not be bothered with switching back to the faster 9800 Pro.

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I will add some overclocked results. This P4 3.2C is actually a worse overclocker than the specimen of 3.0C it replaced but I don't think I have posted that many results with the overclocked 3.0C so I guess it doesn't matter much. The issue is not that the CPU can't clock higher, the issue is power delivery and a "loose" CPU socket. If I start ramping up the voltage the CPU ends up with charred power pins because of the bad contact. This CPU turned out to be more a bit more power hungry at the same frequency compared to the 3.0C.

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P4 3.2C @ 3.7 Cinebench 11.5

P4 3.2C @ 3.7 SuperPI 1M

Aida64 Cache & Memory Benchmark plus PhotoWorxx. Worse latency than "stock" because of the memory settings.

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It's summer and I live in a house in need of renovation so I will not be that active here at the moment. Winter is coming and it will bring more spare time that can be used for computer tinkering. 😁