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First post, by Brawndo

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So I've been really struggling with temptation to build a LGA1366 Intel Core i7 PC, and the logical side of my brain is saying wait, you don't NEED that. My purpose for it would be a high end late XP era system, but I already have a PC for that (dual boot XP/7 on a Sandy Bridge 2500k with GTX 580 SLI) which is a 2011 era PC and certainly more than capable. However lately the itch to splurge on a period correct 2009 era LGA1366 PC has been significant, and it's primarily because that is one of the stepping stones I took on my PC journey back in the day, and became an early adopter of the Intel X58 chipset and Core i7 920 CPU, so it certainly scratches a nostalgic itch for me. If I were to do that, it would sit in between my 2006 era Intel Z68 QX6700 mid range XP PC and the Sandy Bridge PC, but I really don't think I'll gain anything from having a LGA1366 PC. The only somewhat logical justification I can come up with is beyond my AMD socket A Thunderbird PC running a Radeon 9600 XT, I don't have anything newer running a team red video card. It's all Nvidia.

Help me out here! I have a very impulsive nature and spend money often on unnecessary things because it makes me feel good to just "have" them, and I'm trying to be better and more practical about it. Maybe there's some less obvious reason why having a LGA1366 PC to play with would be a good idea.

Reply 1 of 81, by agent_x007

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Do you have space for another box ?
Sandy is faster per thread/MHz than Nehalem. So basicly everything LGA 1366 does, LGA 1155 does better.
If you want to argue for pros, you COULD make 1366 Windows 98 PC, it's hard but possible.

Reply 2 of 81, by Grem Five

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I have my 1366 PC sitting on the other side of the desk from my current setup thinking I would use it but it just sits there collecting dust. I had even upgraded the i7 950 that was in it to a x5675 over clocked to 4.5 GHz thinking that would be interesting and it still sits collecting dust.

I kept it around to be my Win 7 system as I have some software that doesnt run right on anything higher than Win 7 but dont find myself using the software anymore.

I'm not going to get rid of it but cant really give any reasons to get one or what to use it on, last I looked 1366 boards were pretty over priced.

Reply 3 of 81, by mastergamma12

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You need the 1366 🤣

On a serious note, you probably don't, I only did a 1366 rig because I wanted the last of the DFI Lanparty boards.

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Reply 4 of 81, by DerBaum

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Asus P6X58D-Premium with i7 960... crazy that it is already retro. it was my mainboard before i bought my ryzen 2 years ago.
i still have the board and everything from this pc. i have used it with 2 geforce gts 450 in SLI ... 😁

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Reply 5 of 81, by Brawndo

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agent_x007 wrote on 2023-04-30, 22:06:

Do you have space for another box ?
Sandy is faster per thread/MHz than Nehalem. So basicly everything LGA 1366 does, LGA 1155 does better.
If you want to argue for pros, you COULD make 1366 Windows 98 PC, it's hard but possible.

Space is not a problem. And by that I mean I already have so many towers, what's one more? Lol I actually already have an empty tower I could use if I decide to build it.

I would really only use it for XP gaming. I have enough Win98 PCs and don't really care to build one so ridiculously overpowered for Win98.

The fact I have a 1155 system is the primary reason I'm thinking building a 1366 system would just be a waste of money.

Grem Five wrote on 2023-04-30, 22:11:

last I looked 1366 boards were pretty over priced.

Yeah they're a little more pricey than others. I picked up my entire 1155 core (ASUS P8Z68-V Pro, i5 2500k, 8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3) for $61 shipped, and the X58 boards I would choose would cost about double for everything. Another reason I'm thinking, do I really want to?

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Reply 6 of 81, by kolderman

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I don't think you need anything later than a Core 2 Duo. That will take you well up to 2006 games, after that, from 2007 on-wards, pretty much every game is widescreen, made for and will run fine on a modern PC.

Reply 7 of 81, by Skyscraper

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Everyone needs a Socket 1366 system!

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 8 of 81, by Horun

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To me (just me) having a soc1366 is like having a soc4. If you have the socket before and after there is really no need imho unless it is just for nostalgia...yeah if you have a good soc775 and with the 2500k soc1155 you really cover a broad spectrum already.
Like Grem have a soc1366 and it has sat for a few years, not even sure it will boot right now.

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Reply 9 of 81, by cyclone3d

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agent_x007 wrote on 2023-04-30, 22:06:

Do you have space for another box ?
Sandy is faster per thread/MHz than Nehalem. So basicly everything LGA 1366 does, LGA 1155 does better.
If you want to argue for pros, you COULD make 1366 Windows 98 PC, it's hard but possible.

Except for the fact that the number of PCIe lanes on 1155 is horrid.

1366 has 40 while 1155 has 16 or 20 if you have a XEON.

1155 also only has dual channel RAM while 1366 has triple.

Best CPU for 1366 is the XEON X5690 which is a hex core CPU and, with a good cooler, you should be able to get 4Ghz pretty easily.

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Reply 10 of 81, by Horun

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cyclone3d wrote on 2023-05-01, 00:50:
Except for the fact that the number of PCIe lanes on 1155 is horrid. […]
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Except for the fact that the number of PCIe lanes on 1155 is horrid.

1366 has 40 while 1155 has 16 or 20 if you have a XEON.

1155 also only has dual channel RAM while 1366 has triple.

Best CPU for 1366 is the XEON X5690 which is a hex core CPU and, with a good cooler, you should be able to get 4Ghz pretty easily.

True ! but he is not maxing out the soc1155 so he could upgrade the cpu's in those instead.... ie: if has a soc775 to Q9650 and soc1155 to i7-3770. Just a thought 😀

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Reply 11 of 81, by The Serpent Rider

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It's the last most powerful platform with native PCI, floppy, IDE and classic BIOS. ICH10 south bridge also has some unofficial support for Win9x.
Six-core 1366 CPUs can trade blows with four-core 2500/2600, due to larger available cache.

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Reply 12 of 81, by JayAlien

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I enjoy mine, it’s great for running late xp games completely maxed out.

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Reply 13 of 81, by TrashPanda

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cyclone3d wrote on 2023-05-01, 00:50:
Except for the fact that the number of PCIe lanes on 1155 is horrid. […]
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agent_x007 wrote on 2023-04-30, 22:06:

Do you have space for another box ?
Sandy is faster per thread/MHz than Nehalem. So basicly everything LGA 1366 does, LGA 1155 does better.
If you want to argue for pros, you COULD make 1366 Windows 98 PC, it's hard but possible.

Except for the fact that the number of PCIe lanes on 1155 is horrid.

1366 has 40 while 1155 has 16 or 20 if you have a XEON.

1155 also only has dual channel RAM while 1366 has triple.

Best CPU for 1366 is the XEON X5690 which is a hex core CPU and, with a good cooler, you should be able to get 4Ghz pretty easily.

Would the 990X not be equal to that if not better with its unlocked Multi ? The W3690 is the Unlocked Xeon (990x eq) and they are dirt cheap compared to the 990X so would be the better option. The other would be the Xeon 5675 which is the 95watt part which will OC to 4.5 fairly easy using a high Bclk and its lower thermals.

Reply 14 of 81, by The Serpent Rider

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990X also has additional memory multipliers, which Westmere series don't have (stuck with 1066 or 1333 memory). But Xeon W3690 would be better, because it also can do ECC on top of unlocked multiplier.

Some would argue that it doesn't matter much, with available FSB overclocking on good motherboard, but it has one nasty drawback - S3 sleep function, usually, drops off completely around 166 Mhz on most boards. And you need high FSB for good memory speed with Xeon X series, even if locked CPU multipliers is not an issue (25x+). So hibernation is the only solid option in such scenario.

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Reply 15 of 81, by TrashPanda

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If I want to go all out with OC, I would find a 6 core Xeon with a Multi that let me push Bclk out as close to 200 as I could get, the X5675 is a nice option but the X5650 with a 20x multi and 95w TDP would be a nice option as well.

If not that worried about crazy OCing then Im grabbing a W3690 bumping the Bclk and calling it a day, its a nice CPU.

Reply 16 of 81, by agent_x007

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cyclone3d wrote on 2023-05-01, 00:50:
Except for the fact that the number of PCIe lanes on 1155 is horrid. […]
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Except for the fact that the number of PCIe lanes on 1155 is horrid.

1366 has 40 while 1155 has 16 or 20 if you have a XEON.

1155 also only has dual channel RAM while 1366 has triple.

Best CPU for 1366 is the XEON X5690 which is a hex core CPU and, with a good cooler, you should be able to get 4Ghz pretty easily.

Number lanes isn't that important (unless he plans going SLI/CFX, OR needs a lot of PCI-e x1 ports for other stuff USB 3.0/WiFi(Bluetooth)/more SATA/NVMe/etc.). Not that WinXP needs many PCI-e devices (PCI is just as fine).
Still, the same setup of CFX/SLI, should be faster under WinXP with x8/x8 + high OC'ed Sandy/Ivy Quad w/HT, than high OC'ed Hex Core 1366 with x16/x16.

Number of channels doesn't mean memory is faster. Sandy/Ivy has IMC running at core clock, Nehalem based stuff doesn't.
Sure, higher throughput of 3-rd channel is nice, but CPU must take advantage of that (and you don't exactly get extra bonus of memory capacity under WinXP).
One additional note, "locked" memory multiplier doesn't exactly prevent you from using fast memory on LGA 1366.
Just increase BCLK to 160MHz for 1600MHz memory, 187MHz for 1866MHz one and 200MHz+ for 2GHz+ (adjusting Core/Uncore/QPI multipliers down, and/or increasing Vcore/"UnCore" voltages at the same time to avoid instabilities).

Reply 18 of 81, by TrashPanda

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LewisRaz wrote on 2023-05-01, 11:46:

They just seem so pricey to go for unless you have a nostalgic reason to do it

They are if you don't shop around, I just picked up a ASUS X58 R3E with 990x, Cooler and 24gb of 1866 DDR3 for 150 USD, which is a damn fine deal seeing as the 990x itself goes for 100 USD, the ASUS motherboard can be anywhere from 200 - 250 USD . So there are deals to be had if you are willing to dig around and not simply grab the first thing you come across. I have plans to throw a 280 AIO on the beast and OC the heck out of it, slap a pair of GTX 580ti cards on it and turn it into a nice late XP gaming box. (Got a nice SAS SCSI card that would pair well with it and three 15k SCSI drives just sitting in storage, time to pair them up)

could I do this with a 2600k ? sure but its more modern than im looking for and is missing the cool factor of a good X58 board, besides who doesn't love a good 6 core beast, this box will make a great partner for my 1100T AMD box.

Reply 19 of 81, by Minutemanqvs

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You don't need the LG1366, but if it's really the last computer you are going to add to your collection it may be acceptable. That's what we always say.

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