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Re: programming environment for dos

Postby Azarien » 2018-10-09 @ 13:10

noshutdown wrote:i also found that they are both very hdd consuming. openwatcom takes ~100mb without any ide, and newest djgpp with gcc8.20 takes ~200mb, while older gcc4.9.4 takes ~120mb. which is a pain in the ass as i have only 2*500mb hdds on that 386 and i still need to contain windows95, office97, 3dstudio, quake...


Well, those were times that you had to actually choose what to install, and why things like Windows and Office had so many setup options to choose particular components...
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Re: programming environment for dos

Postby vvbee » 2018-10-09 @ 13:37

For showing how tough life was, there sure is a lot of nit-picking.
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Re: programming environment for dos

Postby gdjacobs » 2018-10-09 @ 15:08

So then a good question for the OP (or anyone looking into this for their own purposes) is whether it's more important to use a compiler that pushes the hardware to the performance limit or tools representative of what would be used at the time.
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Re: programming environment for dos

Postby noshutdown » 2018-10-11 @ 02:39

BloodyCactus wrote:I have on my machine Watcom 10.6, 11 (pre opensource version with all the stuff), OWC2.0. If you go back, 10.6 doesnt have things like stdint+inttypes, which make life much harder (portability wise).

OWC2.0 is only 100mb if you add all the extra stuff, if you install only the dos headers/libs/binaries, it should be way way smaller like 30mb or something.

(I also have on my box quick c, turbo c, turbo c++, bc3.1, and a bunch of other compilers for interest sake).


i rechecked my openwatcom1.9 and found it takes ~60mb if i don't install the sample files, or 15mb less if i give up the help files. but it comes without ide and i don't know what to use.
djgpp with older gcc3.4.6 also takes ~60mb including rhide and the infamous allegro library, so that makes things more acceptable.
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Re: programming environment for dos

Postby Scali » 2018-10-12 @ 10:47

noshutdown wrote:i rechecked my openwatcom1.9 and found it takes ~60mb if i don't install the sample files, or 15mb less if i give up the help files. but it comes without ide and i don't know what to use.


It comes with an IDE for 16-bit and 32-bit Windows.
The DOS version comes with vi.
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Re: programming environment for dos

Postby noshutdown » 2018-10-13 @ 14:52

Scali wrote:It comes with an IDE for 16-bit and 32-bit Windows.
The DOS version comes with vi.

ah, didn't notice there is vi. but still its an editor rather than an ide, so its not remotely as convenient as the ancient borlandc and quickbasic.
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Re: programming environment for dos

Postby root42 » 2018-10-13 @ 15:07

The vi fans will beg to differ. :)

I learned on Turbo C 2.0 and then switched to djgpp and emacs as well as gdb. I even used a Hercules card for gdb so I could debug VGA mode X programs.
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