Sune, that is AWESOME! I'm gonna grab my copy of Carmageddon and give it a whirl right now! (Err, if I can connect to the site, which it appears I can't...*grumble* (Damn Russians))

Okay, after waiting for 10 minutes for the !@#$ thing, I finally finished downloading the hacked Unified driver. To save everyone else from the hell of trying to do that, I've attached it. (version 1.2)

zophar.net has some glide wrappers avialable for download:

http://www.zophar.net/utilities/glidewrapper.html

How does that wrapper compare to those? If it was released by 3dfx themselves, it'd probably be better, but it may not be designed to take advantage of all that it can, now...

I love russians. 😀

Hey yeah, Russians are great, but damn them and their crappy chat.ru site!

Just as a note, Zophar highly recommends this Glide wrapper. It's open sourced, and apparently has lots of features. I still need to get Carmageddon out and test it. GTA too...hmm...

I just wonder if either of the wrappers work with DOS games, as most Windows games I have also have OpenGL (yay!) or Direct3D (eh, it works) display modes.

XGL has always been the best Windows wrapper for me. Was using it 2+ years ago but haven't since.

Any wrappers for DOS?!

According to Paul Guardinier of GLIDOS (http://www.glidos.net):
1. GLIDOS, of course, works with some/most DOS GLIDE games. Compatibility is improving as development continues.

2. GLIDOS contains his edited version of OpenGlide. If you replace his version of OpenGlide with another Windows Glide wrapper, it may work (He's tried it with eVoodoo and it worked.)

Or did you mean a DOS Glide wrapper FOR DOS? As far as I know, there was never any such thing. There were only a few other 3D APIs supported in DOS.

Stiletto

Snover wrote:

Sune, that is AWESOME! I'm gonna grab my copy of Carmageddon and give it a whirl right now!

Carmageddon II also supports Direct3D, so there's not a whole lot of reason to use the Glide wrapper (except for testing purposes). The original Carmageddon used an early DOS Glide and the Glide wrappers for Windows out there won't work with it.

You can, however use GliDOS (this is the only "DOS Glide Wrapper" at present).

Used mostly old 3dfx demos (wanted programs that _only_ worked if a 3dfx card was present).

Results
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Unified Wrapper v1.20

glide2x.dll Version 2.60.00.120
"Other version" 2.60.00.120
=================================================
3dfxdemo-atsflip\flip\atsflip

Contents of D:\Desktop\3dfxdemo-atsflip\flip\atsflip\
At 7/3/02 1:52:50 PM 32 Files 6.07Mb
ANUBIS.BAT
Generic error window (no text), then ATB error "Couldn't detect the SST-1"

ATAT.BAT
Generic error window (no text), then ATB error "Couldn't detect the SST-1"

atsflip.exe
Generic error window (no text), then ATB error "Couldn't detect the SST-1"

DRAGON.BAT
Generic error window (no text), then ATB error "Couldn't detect the SST-1"

dSKELETN.BAT
Generic error window (no text), then ATB error "Couldn't detect the SST-1"

dVW.BAT
Generic error window (no text), then ATB error "Couldn't detect the SST-1"

LUDWIG.BAT
Generic error window (no text), then ATB error "Couldn't detect the SST-1"

MARTINI.BAT
Generic error window (no text), then ATB error "Couldn't detect the SST-1"

SKELETON.BAT
Generic error window (no text), then ATB error "Couldn't detect the SST-1"

VW.BAT
Generic error window (no text), then ATB error "Couldn't detect the SST-1"

D:\Desktop\3dfxdemo-atsflip\flip\hpflip
HIND.BAT Init display, grSstOpen: Failed to map any board
SKELL.BAT Init display, grSstOpen: Failed to map any board

D:\Desktop\3dfxdemo-demoroom\demoroom
demoroom.exe
The DEMOROOM.EXE... SHOCK!!...works properly. Maps textures and all lighting
effects work properly.

D:\Desktop\3dfxdemo-race\racing
RACE.EXE
The RACE.EXE ... SHOCK!! (BAD)...doesn't work at all. Blank screen, then quits.

D:\Desktop\3dfxdemo-valleyofra\ValleyOfRa\fight
fight.exe
The FIGHT.EXE... SHOCK!! (BAD)...doesn't work at all. Blank screen, then quits.

D:\Desktop\3dfxdemo-wiz
wiz.exe
The wiz.EXE looks almost perfect. Texture maps all look good (well, couple of
glitches), and lighting is great (lava room, green dragon room, and the beholder)
Oddly, releasing a "bat" (the B key) will kill the program instantly (!?).

DRIVER (the Game)
Doesn't detect anything like Voodoo (native video only).

I knew about Carmageddon II supporting Direct 3D, and also that the driver wouldn't work in DOS. But at least you got some "Glide only" stuff to run with it. Maybe some programmers can learn some tricks by looking at the hacked version, i don't know..:p

it doesn't actually look like any of his tests were succesful 🙁

I can't believe I forgot about GliDOS. Geeeeezus.
Hopefully it'll work, since A) there's a logo for Carmageddon on the damn page, and B) Software rendering looks like SHIT.

maybe Connectix (makes of Virtual PC) would see reason in scrapping their emulation of the S3 Trio 32/64 chipset, and emulate a Voodoo 6000 (or whatever the top of the line voodoo is)! 😀
Or maybe they could offer both!

There was no Voodoo 6000. There was no spoon.

The Voodoo5 6000 did indeed make it "out there" in limited quantities. 3dfx was not exactly quick (nor seemed to care) in collecting their demonstration cards that were given to PC hardware review website owners, magazines, and even their own programmers and engineers.

The best current resource of information on the Voodoo5 6000 (including who you might be able to buy one from) is at the x3dfx forum at http://pub43.ezboard.com/bx3dfx
It currently has the largest collection of actual Voodoo5 6000 owners that I know of. The forum is great overall too, if you're interested in the latest trend of driver hacking, BIOS hacking, etc. for the 3dfx cards. http://x3dfx.da.ru/ and http://www.x3dfx.com are great as well. Expect to offer well over $1000-$1500 for a working card.

The Voodoo5 6000's on my list of rare computer hardware to be acquired eventually (along with the Creative Labs 3DO Blaster and other things). 😀

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As for Connectix, I know someone who works for them, a lead programmer in fact, and trust me when I say that I've asked about whether 3D hardware acceleration would be supported before, and it's not likely to happen soon. As has been mentioned before, the preliminary Voodoo/Voodoo2 "pass-through" support in the early days of Virtual PC (for the Macintosh) was removed in the advent of Virtual PC 4.0 and has not been reintroduced.

Quoting from the Virtual PC help file:
"Virtual PC 2.0 and 3.0 could use Voodoo and Voodoo2 graphics cards directly for increased performance for some 3D games. Because of the new technology underlying Virtual PC 4.0, it is technically unfeasible to use these or any other, video cards directly at this time."

Note: This was not emulation - since the Voodoo and Voodoo2 graphics cards were add-on cards, and not the main video card, Virtual PC could interface with these cards and treat them as if they were installed on their emulated PCs.

Anyhow, any sort of 3D hardware acceleration has not been as yet implemented in Virtual PC. It may be on the to-do list, but don't expect it for quite a while if ever.

But that's just a sidebar. 😀

Sorry, I didn't mean the Voodoo 6000, I meant the Voodoo6. Hah. Pppt.

Also note that any 3D "acceleration" in emulation would not take advantage of your host video card. So your "acceleration" would be comming from your CPU which is struggling to emulate everything else. I expect TNT1/Voodoo3 (640X480 max)levels of performance in VPC would be feasible but Games are not their primary market.

Their VESA emulation RULES however. 😀 Unfortunately their DOS sound SUCKS! 🙁

/EDIT
Host processor card=Host video card
/EDIT

yawnmoth wrote:

it doesn't actually look like any of his tests were succesful 🙁

If you're talking about my test listing for the Unified Wrapper, consider:
1) I only tested a few programs, concentrating on older 3dfx demos to make _sure_ that I was seeing the emulation work (some newer programs will see that you don't have a Voodoo and switch to Direct3D or OpenGL without neccessarily tell you...).

2) What little testing I've done has yielded bizarre inconsistencies.
The "Unified Wrapper" only worked on a few items for me, but it seemed to work quite well when it did. The eVoodoo wrappers seem to work best for me, but they didn't seem to perform as well as the Unified.

Also, don't forget that different hardware configurations can have an effect on things. What doesn't work for me, _might_ work for you.