Beware that SS7 motherboards without AGP slots aren't unheard of. I had an PCChips M571 (arguably SS7 - its FSB clock tops at 83MHz AFAIK) whose chipset supported AGP, but it was wired to the onboard graphics chips and it has no AGP slot.

Yeah, I have a list of motherboards that are compatible with SS7 (either officially, beta BIOS, or unofficially) and there are around 80 or more motherboards on it that don't feature an AGP slot, so they definitely are not unheard of (give or take, it would take a while to Google them all again). There's also a section of the list, however, where I don't know the specs because I couldn't find anything. I only made that list so I could narrow down my ebay searches for motherboards that featured the full range of things, AGP, PCI, ISA, PS/2, and USB (which, for some reason, USB only seemed to appear when PS/2 was present, otherwise it was only AT with no USB at all). That list ended up being 26 motherboards that met the criteria.

I always thought the official Super Socket 7 platform mandated 100-MHz frontside bus and AGP support

My fastest S7 board has SIS chipset, but no AGP and it doesn't do 100 MHz FSB. If it was a proper SS7 board, it would be the fastest out of the boards I have.

2. Listing a video card as new GTX 285 while it's actually a used GTX 280.

philscomputerlab wrote:

My fastest S7 board has SIS chipset, but no AGP and it doesn't do 100 MHz FSB. If it was a proper SS7 board, it would be the fastest out of the boards I have.

What chipset is that? Asking because I have one with SIS 5582, haven't done anything with it yet though.

alexanrs wrote:

Beware that SS7 motherboards without AGP slots aren't unheard of. I had an PCChips M571 (arguably SS7 - its FSB clock tops at 83MHz AFAIK) whose chipset supported AGP, but it was wired to the onboard graphics chips and it has no AGP slot.

PC Chips M590 is basically the same board, but with 100Mhz FSB, so technically SS7. No AGP slot, the on board graphics are connected to the AGP bus though.

3. Having crappy/blurry/tiny photos of old equipment usually sold as-is so you can't really have an idea of the exact model/condition.

oerk wrote:

philscomputerlab wrote:

My fastest S7 board has SIS chipset, but no AGP and it doesn't do 100 MHz FSB. If it was a proper SS7 board, it would be the fastest out of the boards I have.

What chipset is that? Asking because I have one with SIS 5582, haven't done anything with it yet though.

http://www.philscomputerlab.com/asus-sp97-xv.html

Boxed, used motherboards, video cards, and audio cards require a little extra attention from us as buyers. Some eBay sellers don't bother to check whether the hardware inside the box matches the picture on the box. People upgrading from one video card to another sometimes put the old card into the new box. When the card is in an anti-static bag, it can be hard to tell whether you're getting what the seller advertises. I've had some close calls where I almost pulled the trigger on something I would have had to return.

Nothing like thinking you're getting a Ti4600 only to find a GF2 MX in the box.

Super Socket 7 has support for AGP, but need not have AGP slots in their motherboards. Later AMD processors were able to make use of the increased FSB.

I had many SS7 motherboards without AGP slots.

Scrapping an item when it doesn't sell, without even considering the thought of lowering their exorbitant price. Yes, I've seen this happen before.

Oh, and packaging a heavy item poorly which results in it getting destroyed in transit. Ugh.

Does the SS7 take advantage of the extra bandwidth with AGP card compared to PCI? I'd imagine their wouldn't be much in it, I always wondered how a socket 8 system would compare mildly overclocked to 350/375mhz(fsb 70-75) with a PR440FX/Abit-PS6 with a decent PCI card compared to AMD K6-500/600.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:

2. Listing a video card as new GTX 285 while it's actually a used GTX 280.

Please tell me if this is what you are talking about. I am in the market for a GTX 285

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Sealed-NVIDIA-GeF … P-/111588965470

squareguy wrote:

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:

2. Listing a video card as new GTX 285 while it's actually a used GTX 280.

Please tell me if this is what you are talking about. I am in the market for a GTX 285

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Sealed-NVIDIA-GeF … P-/111588965470

From the sellers feedback. While its not a guarentee it at least says something.

"
Super fast shipping, unit works great!, amazing packing! Accurate, A++++ Seller! Buyer: 6***6
During past 6 months
New, Sealed NVIDIA GeForce GTX-285 1GB DELL 0D810P (#111588965470)
"

"
Thank you works great Buyer: n***a
During past month
New, Sealed NVIDIA GeForce GTX-285 1GB DELL 0D810P (#111588965470)
"

"
A+++ Seller, great packing, extremely fast shipping, product works amazing!! Buyer: 6***6
During past 6 months
Manufacturer Refurbished NVIDIA GeForce GTX-285 1GB DELL 0D810P (#121572543619)
"

"
Positive feedback rating on time Buyer: n***-
During past 6 months
New, Sealed NVIDIA GeForce GTX-285 1GB DELL 0D810P (#111588965470)
"

"
Positive feedback rating this is my second order, on time again Buyer: n***-
During past 6 months
New, Sealed NVIDIA GeForce GTX-285 1GB DELL 0D810P (#111588965470)
"

Worst thing ever is poor packaging. I've had computers shipped to me wrapped in nothing more than a cut up paper grocery bag tied up with twine. I've had CPU's shipped in nothing more than an envelope without even a piece of styrofoam to protect the pins. I've also had video cards shipped in envelopes with no consideration for the myriad of tiny parts that could break off if it's mishandled. I'm sure everyone here has similar (or worse) horror stories involving sellers who were too cheap (or possibly too stupid) to ship things properly.

I've also had sellers list things as complete in box, they even show you the original box in the photos, but on arrival everything is jammed into a tiny "If it fits, it ships" box from the post office because it's cheaper and the seller has already discarded the original box when asked about it. If you're not going to ship the original box with the item, then don't advertise the item as complete in box.Complete in box means just what it says, that you will get all items shown IN THE ORIGINAL BOX.

And then there's the ones who sell things complete in box and actually do ship the box with the item but the box ends up being smashed in transit because, again, they didn't take proper precautions to protect it. If I'm paying you a premium price to get an item complete in box, I want the box to be PERFECT, or close to it. Whatever condition the box is shown in, is the condition I expect it to be in when it arrives or else be prepared for a "item not as described" complaint to be filed.

sliderider wrote:

Worst thing ever is poor packaging. I've had computers shipped to me wrapped in nothing more than a cut up paper grocery bag tied up with twine. I've had CPU's shipped in nothing more than an envelope without even a piece of styrofoam to protect the pins. I've also had video cards shipped in envelopes with no consideration for the myriad of tiny parts that could break off if it's mishandled. I'm sure everyone here has similar (or worse) horror stories involving sellers who were too cheap (or possibly too stupid) to ship things properly.

I've also had sellers list things as complete in box, they even show you the original box in the photos, but on arrival everything is jammed into a tiny "If it fits, it ships" box from the post office because it's cheaper and the seller has already discarded the original box when asked about it. If you're not going to ship the original box with the item, then don't advertise the item as complete in box.Complete in box means just what it says, that you will get all items shown IN THE ORIGINAL BOX.

And then there's the ones who sell things complete in box and actually do ship the box with the item but the box ends up being smashed in transit because, again, they didn't take proper precautions to protect it. If I'm paying you a premium price to get an item complete in box, I want the box to be PERFECT, or close to it. Whatever condition the box is shown in, is the condition I expect it to be in when it arrives or else be prepared for a "item not as described" complaint to be filed.

How about this! Notice the marks on the inside of the box from the cards tumbling around.
These cards were sold as working, not as gold scrap.

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sliderider wrote:

Worst thing ever is poor packaging. I've had computers shipped to me wrapped in nothing more than a cut up paper grocery bag tied up with twine. I've had CPU's shipped in nothing more than an envelope without even a piece of styrofoam to protect the pins. I've also had video cards shipped in envelopes with no consideration for the myriad of tiny parts that could break off if it's mishandled. I'm sure everyone here has similar (or worse) horror stories involving sellers who were too cheap (or possibly too stupid) to ship things properly.

I've also had sellers list things as complete in box, they even show you the original box in the photos, but on arrival everything is jammed into a tiny "If it fits, it ships" box from the post office because it's cheaper and the seller has already discarded the original box when asked about it. If you're not going to ship the original box with the item, then don't advertise the item as complete in box.Complete in box means just what it says, that you will get all items shown IN THE ORIGINAL BOX.

And then there's the ones who sell things complete in box and actually do ship the box with the item but the box ends up being smashed in transit because, again, they didn't take proper precautions to protect it. If I'm paying you a premium price to get an item complete in box, I want the box to be PERFECT, or close to it. Whatever condition the box is shown in, is the condition I expect it to be in when it arrives or else be prepared for a "item not as described" complaint to be filed.

How about this! Notice the marks on the inside of the box from the cards tumbling around.
These cards were sold as working, not as gold scrap.

Awesome_packaging.JPG

This picture is just terrible and completely retarded.

I've had one chip arrive at me with part of it broken off, but at least I got refunded.
I've seen several times someone sending me some piece of hardware in box and then using the original box as part of the shipping packaging 🙁

Skyscraper wrote:

How about this! Notice the marks on the inside of the box from the cards tumbling around. These cards were sold as working, not […]
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sliderider wrote:

Worst thing ever is poor packaging. I've had computers shipped to me wrapped in nothing more than a cut up paper grocery bag tied up with twine. I've had CPU's shipped in nothing more than an envelope without even a piece of styrofoam to protect the pins. I've also had video cards shipped in envelopes with no consideration for the myriad of tiny parts that could break off if it's mishandled. I'm sure everyone here has similar (or worse) horror stories involving sellers who were too cheap (or possibly too stupid) to ship things properly.

I've also had sellers list things as complete in box, they even show you the original box in the photos, but on arrival everything is jammed into a tiny "If it fits, it ships" box from the post office because it's cheaper and the seller has already discarded the original box when asked about it. If you're not going to ship the original box with the item, then don't advertise the item as complete in box.Complete in box means just what it says, that you will get all items shown IN THE ORIGINAL BOX.

And then there's the ones who sell things complete in box and actually do ship the box with the item but the box ends up being smashed in transit because, again, they didn't take proper precautions to protect it. If I'm paying you a premium price to get an item complete in box, I want the box to be PERFECT, or close to it. Whatever condition the box is shown in, is the condition I expect it to be in when it arrives or else be prepared for a "item not as described" complaint to be filed.

How about this! Notice the marks on the inside of the box from the cards tumbling around.
These cards were sold as working, not as gold scrap.

Awesome_packaging.JPG

How many broken capacitors did you find rolling around the bottom of the box when you unpacked it?