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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby F2bnp » 2017-1-18 @ 15:57

brassicGamer wrote:In addition to luckybob's comments, whoever buys the INDY also has the anonymity, ergo they can release the source without fear of reprisal (small though that may be, it isn't insignificant). The source is worth nothing because it's someone else's property. The hardware is worth a mediocre amount. The combination is the golden egg. Read between the lines, folks.


Or they might not, because reasons. They can resurface in 10-20 years and sell it for even more or just keep it forever for their own personal amusement or whatever. It's been known to happen before with many games. Example: There was an alpha version of Conker's Bad Fur Day floating around, reportedly from a very early point in production (when the game was still cutesy and all). Some guy bought it, kept it for years without releasing anything and eventually... he died. It's been a few years since that's happened and I don't think we'll ever see that now.

It's all down to luck at this point.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby konc » 2017-1-18 @ 16:26

I've written and then deleted before posting a couple of thoughts on this already. They weren't good. So I'll just be blunt:

If SiliconClassics wants to sell the machines just to get his name out of the potentially accused list and then a spectacular leak surfaces with everything properly archived, I'll apologize and keep it in mind next time I judge anyone too fast.

If this doesn't happen I guess I should try to get my hands on some piece of history. Because you know, free advertisement, I'll create a hype around it until I make sure everyone possibly interested knows about it and then I'll sell it for literally thousands.

I surely hope it's not just me thinking this way and still considering both possibilities. I guess time will show.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby WolverineDK » 2017-1-18 @ 16:39

Sorry for being so blunt, perhaps it is my political/philosophical view upon certain things. But I personally think the hype and all that stuff is a capitalist dick move from SiliconClassics. Perhaps I am wrong(yes I have seen the video where he talks about his "reasons"), but to me, digital preservation is more important than money. But if he is indeed so worried about lawsuits about the digital source code and all that. He should not have made the hype he did. So I agree with konc.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby mr_bigmouth_502 » 2017-1-18 @ 19:00

Copyright law is a cancer on cultural preservation. I may not agree with what SiliconClassics decided to do, but he's a lawyer, not me. He knows the legal implications of releasing the content on those machines much better than I do. I am hoping that whoever ends up buying these systems decides to donate them to an archival organization, instead of allowing the contents to fade away to the mists of time.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby SiliconClassics » 2017-1-18 @ 19:14

WolverineDK wrote:Sorry for being so blunt, perhaps it is my political/philosophical view upon certain things...


Sounds like our disagreements derive from two very different worldviews. I don't see profit as evil and I'm not a cultural Marxist / SJW / progressive. The fact is that I can love retro-computing (which I absolutely do) and also profit from it at the same time - these are not mutually exclusive. And my actions do not fly in the face of digital preservation. You, and many others, seem to think that by selling these computers I'm causing their contents to be scattered to the wind, but that doesn't follow. The fact is that they were already lost to history, I re-discovered them, and whoever buys them will be someone who cares a great deal about them, possibly enough to make them available for everyone to enjoy.

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:Copyright law is a cancer on cultural preservation...


You're absolutely right about that. Copyright law is hopelessly outdated and really needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby sirlemonhead » 2017-1-18 @ 19:16

WolverineDK wrote:Anyway, if you are easily offended , then do not read the reddit thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/5 ... ost_again/


Wow, the sense of entitlement from some of the people on that thread!
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby luckybob » 2017-1-18 @ 19:27

As long as you promise to get a haircut with the proceeds, I'll be happy.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby Jorpho » 2017-1-18 @ 19:27

Does no one remember the "Infocom drive" debacle from a few years ago?
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4848
http://waxy.org/2008/04/milliways_infoc ... the_galax/

Sometimes when you start publishing private correspondence without due deference to the people involved, then regardless of how legal it may or may not be, some people are going to get upset.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby SiliconClassics » 2017-1-18 @ 20:54

luckybob wrote:As long as you promise to get a haircut with the proceeds, I'll be happy.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby F2bnp » 2017-1-18 @ 23:17

luckybob wrote:As long as you promise to get a haircut with the proceeds, I'll be happy.


You just killed me a little :lol:
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby mr_bigmouth_502 » 2017-1-19 @ 22:45

SiliconClassics wrote:
WolverineDK wrote:Sorry for being so blunt, perhaps it is my political/philosophical view upon certain things...


Sounds like our disagreements derive from two very different worldviews. I don't see profit as evil and I'm not a cultural Marxist / SJW / progressive. The fact is that I can love retro-computing (which I absolutely do) and also profit from it at the same time - these are not mutually exclusive. And my actions do not fly in the face of digital preservation. You, and many others, seem to think that by selling these computers I'm causing their contents to be scattered to the wind, but that doesn't follow. The fact is that they were already lost to history, I re-discovered them, and whoever buys them will be someone who cares a great deal about them, possibly enough to make them available for everyone to enjoy.

We can be hopeful, but there is no guarantee that this will be the case.
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mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:Copyright law is a cancer on cultural preservation...


You're absolutely right about that. Copyright law is hopelessly outdated and really needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

It's one of life's painful ironies that copyright law was originally designed to keep things from falling out of obscurity, but thanks to the efforts of greedy companies like Disney, it's become abused as a tool to stifle the cause of preservation.

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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby leileilol » 2017-1-19 @ 23:08

Regarding the whinetitlement, what people don't get is that unauthorized source code alone doesn't make progress. There are source releases of many games out there that were never legally cleared so anyone decent with a conscience knows to stay far away from them. Expecting a result (like a "Free" port of Turok) from an unauthorized source dump or leak would be very naive.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby mr_bigmouth_502 » 2017-1-21 @ 17:11

leileilol wrote:Regarding the whinetitlement, what people don't get is that unauthorized source code alone doesn't make progress. There are source releases of many games out there that were never legally cleared so anyone decent with a conscience knows to stay far away from them. Expecting a result (like a "Free" port of Turok) from an unauthorized source dump or leak would be very naive.

I'm not expecting a free port of Turok myself. XD If anything, I'm actually hoping that some of the information on these machines (like the N64 SDK) can help emulator developers.

Speaking of emulators, I wonder why no one's bothered emulating any of SGI's machines. Are they just too complex?
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby Jorpho » 2017-1-21 @ 23:36

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:Speaking of emulators, I wonder why no one's bothered emulating any of SGI's machines. Are they just too complex?
I suppose there just isn't enough interest in doing so. (I guess it would let people run that famous Final Fantasy tech demo?)
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby chinny22 » 2017-1-21 @ 23:54

While it would be cool to keep them all together 20 odd machines is too much for 1 person, they would of been split up sooner or later anyway.
At least its someone in the hobby who understands the worth of the data and not a recycler type seller on ebay who strips down old machines and sells the parts. Which still may happen but is bit more unlikely now that the original owners are known, or even if 1 or 2 of them do end up being stripped all the data is backed up, even if it never sees the light of day again, it al least survived this long.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby Jorpho » 2017-1-22 @ 00:10

chinny22 wrote:Which still may happen but is bit more unlikely now that the original owners are known, or even if 1 or 2 of them do end up being stripped all the data is backed up, even if it never sees the light of day again, it al least survived this long.
I don't think anyone's going to be proudly showing off their old SGI machine that was used in development at Acclaim and is still in mint condition, etc.

Perhaps people are forgetting that we're talking about Acclaim here. They weren't exactly a top-tier developer that made valuable contributions and changed the way we looked at video games, or something. As I mentioned back on page 1, they will probably be best remembered for their spectacularly awful marketing. There's probably similar caches from similarly-sized software companies out there (and with similar dev materials) that people could not care less about.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby gdjacobs » 2017-1-22 @ 00:15

Jorpho wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:Speaking of emulators, I wonder why no one's bothered emulating any of SGI's machines. Are they just too complex?
I suppose there just isn't enough interest in doing so. (I guess it would let people run that famous Final Fantasy tech demo?)


Emulating the graphics hardware would also be a significant task, plus Irix isn't as generally available. IBM big metal software is similarly hard to acquire, but emulators like Hercules exist because they are sometimes the only migration path available for custom software on that platform. Pretty much everyone (even SGI) moved away from Irix to Linux for graphics work.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby luckybob » 2017-1-22 @ 00:22

With 45 minutes to go on the auction, I had another look.

I must say, that is one NICE ebay listing description. If I sold more than 1-2 a month, I'd like to know how to do that. I assume it's just HTML?
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby SiliconClassics » 2017-1-22 @ 00:28

Thanks Bob, it's just a simple HTML table made with Dreamweaver 3 (copyright 1999) and I took the pics with my smartphone, with some minor editing in Photoshop 5.5. Retro all the way.

Really wondering what will happen in the final minutes... [edit] - nuthin! Oh well, $2.5k ain't bad... and the buyer is a great guy whom I've dealt with before, someone with the means and the desire to properly preserve the code on this Indy.
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Re: Acclaim Entertainment computers recovered from Brooklyn warehouse

Postby Stiletto » 2017-1-23 @ 01:39

Jorpho wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:Speaking of emulators, I wonder why no one's bothered emulating any of SGI's machines. Are they just too complex?
I suppose there just isn't enough interest in doing so. (I guess it would let people run that famous Final Fantasy tech demo?)


As with everything, it's on MAME's to-do list.
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/ma ... s/4dpi.cpp
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/ma ... is3130.cpp
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/ma ... ndigo2.cpp
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/ma ... indigo.cpp
[EDIT] indy_indigo2.cpp is the only one that actually has anything of note on-screen, ip225015 is the driver

Anything besides these models, either we haven't acquired ROM dumps for, or we have ROM dumps but haven't yet entered them into the sourcecode (far less likely).

Though it's always possible someone else will beat us to the punch (like QEMU).
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