Was just talking to my brother about the recent remakes.

Main reason I got the C&C one was for the music, everything is just a bonus in my book.
He also got Diablo 2 and said it did look nice, he enjoys it but agreed the original is perfectly fine as well when all said and done.

but neither of us even considered . Problem is even the steam version had it's problems vs the original.
The missing music sucks but I can understand, licences run out but the various software changes? bugs? especially in SA always made me glad I owned a physical copy.

Problem we now have is with every re-release is what version will they base the game on? Most likely the newer but inferior Steam version.
Luckily GTA has enough of a cult following I'm sure the community will create a patch allowing the best of both worlds.

They already did with re3 and revc, which also work on xp but of course Rockstar shut those down as well (There are two repos on github that are still online) as some mods for this BS. Don't buy it.

I'm sure a couple of patches will fix many of the bugs, you just need to be patient. On Nintendo switch, the game looks cool, although it slows down a little. I do not recommend connecting to a 4K TV, as the image looks terribly blurry.

Standards are slipping at Rockstar https://games.slashdot.org/story/21/11/13/013 … including-files

Between the easy money of GTA Online, re-releasing their old titles, the departures of Dan Houser and Lazlow; I remain convinced, as I've been saying since 2015, that there will not be a GTA6.

Third-party shady stores will probably have a field day selling keys to original Steam releases. That being said, you still can buy them on PS3, which are original PS2 images.

MAZter wrote on 2021-11-12, 17:32:

I'm sure a couple of patches will fix many of the bugs, you just need to be patient.

The character art are beyond patches...

I bet character models were based on this :

I thought people where praising the collection when the first trailers came out? Don't remember many complaints over the models.

Unless Rockstar cherry-picked the nicest looking bits. (probably)

as with most remakes, hd editions, 'enhanced' re-releases etc they are not really worth it, beyond the convenience of playing on whatever new platform they go with

even when they are done well if nothing much new is added then it soon becomes the same game again, but with discernible leaves no the trees this time

Well this has got a whole lot worse since posting this thread! I couldn't actually play it all weekend, none of the games showed up in my Rockstar library.

To be honest the only benefit of these games I see is you can run the games at 60fps (if your PC is powerful enough) whereas the older games run best at 30 (which is apparently 25 in practice). Faster rates mess up the physics.

The steam version of SA is no worse than the remaster - both are missing music, both has nice controller support, both have wide-screen support, one has nicer environments whilst the other has (arguably) better character models.

Almoststew1990 wrote on 2021-11-15, 13:10:

Well this has got a whole lot worse since posting this thread! I couldn't actually play it all weekend, none of the games showed up in my Rockstar library.

To be honest the only benefit of these games I see is you can run the games at 60fps (if your PC is powerful enough) whereas the older games run best at 30 (which is apparently 25 in practice). Faster rates mess up the physics.

The steam version of SA is no worse than the remaster - both are missing music, both has nice controller support, both have wide-screen support, one has nicer environments whilst the other has (arguably) better character models.

They removed the trilogy from PC after dataminers found unused leftover bits of the soundtrack and some other junk. Guess the music licensing people didn't like that.

As a semi related thought. Why do some games still feel the need to tie physics to frame rate in 2021? This coming from someone who's experienced how smooth games look and feel on a high refresh monitor. Why would you ever want to hardcode 60 or 30FPS on an engine level? Doing it for artistic reasons or to fit console limitations is understandable. But leave it unlocked for power users.

re3 response to take two
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.u … 384429.24.0.pdf

Take Two is full of shit.

DENIED

A long time ago, I tried some fan made mods on these three games, but it's so many years since I've played the games, that I have no idea of the state of the art of modern mods for GTA3, Vice City, and San Andreas. But I have read more than a couple of comments re: this 'Definitive' Edition trilogy saying that you can get better, more beautiful results by just using the original releases of the games with the best fan-made graphical improvement packs. It would be interesting to see screenshots of expertly modded original versions of the games, versus screenshots of the Definitive Edition.

From what I've also read, the best things about the Definitive Edition trilogy are the inclusion of mid-mission checkpoints, and a better on-foot weapon aiming system. I wouldn't be too surprised if mods to add these two features to the original releases of the games had been around for well over a decade. The GTA 3 (and onward) modding community is pretty big, and has some really talented developers.