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Reply 240 of 248, by Azarien

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zapbuzz wrote on 2021-07-08, 21:55:

I can run vista drivers on 7

It's not that every Windows version needs completely new drivers. There is compatibility across versions, subject to various factors.
In theory, even Windows 2000 and XP drivers (not graphics drivers though) "should" work on Windows 10, as long as the platform (x86, x64) matches.

Reply 241 of 248, by SScorpio

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Azarien wrote on 2021-07-18, 18:56:

It's not that every Windows version needs completely new drivers. There is compatibility across versions, subject to various factors.
In theory, even Windows 2000 and XP drivers (not graphics drivers though) "should" work on Windows 10, as long as the platform (x86, x64) matches.

In theory maybe, but not in practice. One of the big causes of issues with Vista was its new driver model. This caused a bunch of old hardware to outright not work, or caused crashes. I'm not sure about ATI (I think that was before the AMD purchase), but Nvidia had major stability issues for a while.

Three years later when Win 7 came out, drivers were more polished, and people were getting rid of really old hardware for new stuff. Shockingly most of the driver issues mysteriously vanished.

Reply 242 of 248, by Jo22

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XP had XPDM, Vista had WDDM 1.0, Seven had WDDM 1.1.

XPDM still supported VGA graphics for NTVDM and video overlays/direct draw, unlike WDDM.
WDDM 1.0 supported Aero Glass.
WDDM 1.1 (re-) introduced support for multiple monitors controlled via different graphics drivers and GDI acceleration.

If Windows 7 uses Vista drivers, it has the same limitations as Vista had (in terms of graphics).

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Reply 243 of 248, by zapbuzz

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Azarien wrote on 2021-07-18, 18:56:
zapbuzz wrote on 2021-07-08, 21:55:

I can run vista drivers on 7

It's not that every Windows version needs completely new drivers. There is compatibility across versions, subject to various factors.
In theory, even Windows 2000 and XP drivers (not graphics drivers though) "should" work on Windows 10, as long as the platform (x86, x64) matches.

I have a SCSI card that runs on 2000 but won't run on XP unless I mod the win2000 driver. 🤣
Will try to run some xp suff on win10 stuff soon

Reply 244 of 248, by leileilol

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Considering the new GetShellFolderPathEx-esque sabotage in new Visual C Core runtimes exclusively made for Windows 10 since late 2020, this is already happening for 7 and even 8.1. It's pretty bad since it'll blindly hit visual studio-adjacent developers and there's much "7 broke? oh well its EOL who cares!!" apathy when brought up.

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Reply 245 of 248, by DosFreak

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Reply 246 of 248, by creepingnet

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To me, Vista is not retro yet since it still can be tuned and tweaked to function as a modern O/S. I put it in that "future classics" category. XP Just barely qualifies to me because it's different enough, and it will become more "Classic" with each year. Once you get to Windows 2000 PRo and XP things get a little funky because they can indeed do some modern things and be usable - kind of like how a 30 year old vehicle can still drive on all of the current roads. Slightly inhibited experience, but still usable.

Windows 7 to me is still modern. It just has some safety issues because of lack of updates, and they are a bit more than just mere boogeymen feigning risks, but even then it's still usable as a modern O/S at full capacity.

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Reply 247 of 248, by Bruninho

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XP is totally retro now. Vista is nearly there.

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Reply 248 of 248, by dr_st

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leileilol wrote on 2021-07-22, 18:59:

Considering the new GetShellFolderPathEx-esque sabotage in new Visual C Core runtimes exclusively made for Windows 10 since late 2020, this is already happening for 7 and even 8.1. It's pretty bad since it'll blindly hit visual studio-adjacent developers and there's much "7 broke? oh well its EOL who cares!!" apathy when brought up.

This is something that can be easily solved by changing a couple of Visual Studio settings. Some developers will be too lazy to bother, yes. However, 7 still has more chance than Vista, simply because of the user base.

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