appiah4 wrote on 2023-06-05, 07:19:

I had a lot of trouble getting the tinycore image to boot on my socket 7 platforms, now that I have seen someone actually manage to do that it's a project on my list..

Which release did you use?

I did the installation 2 years ago IIRC; this the kernel version (don't know if they upgraded it):

1tc@box:~$ uname -a
2Linux box 5.15.10-tinycore #622 SMP Tue Dec 21 16:51:09 UTC 2021 i586 GNU/Linux

I also attached a text file with the steps I followed to install Tiny Core Linux: it worked for me, but you can check on a VM for confirmation.
The instructions will avoid out of memory errors, cause only the required packages will be installed while the system is booted in RAM (live CD).

Live does not boot on less than 64MB of RAM, but maybe the system will work with less if the process is done on a PC with more memory, with the HDD moved temporary there, and then the HDD is moved back to the original PC.

Note: the steps are relative to a dual boot installation with Windows 95. You can skip it if you want.

bobsmith wrote on 2023-05-03, 14:06:

Interesting desktop environment to look at for Linux nerds with older PCs (not to say it only works on older PCs)
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/
Fork of KDE 3.5 that is maintained to this day, has old school themes and lots more for a retro experience. Packaged on all major distros (Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Arch, Gentoo).

Ran across this myself when googling lightweight Linux distros and I have a somewhat serious plan to try and install Q4OS Trinity on my Pentium III machine. I just first need to image the machine's disk as it is now in case something goes awry; I don't want to have to do yet another reinstall of Win 98 now that I finally got it working as I want it to. 😁

Cool thread btw, a pleasure to read. Got me thinking of also giving OS/2 a go; we had Warp installed (alongside Win 3.1) on our Aptiva back in the 90s, but I can't remember ever doing all that much with it. Then again, I was 10 or 11 at the time.

So, yeah, Q4OS Trinity running from an SSD on a P3-733 with 512 megs of RAM and 3.5 gigs of swap: it's somewhat usable, but it ain't pleasurable. Everything I tried seems to work, but nothing is snappy, not the way Windows 98 is; instead it's kind of like using an Atari ST with just one floppy drive.

Then again, I'm sure it'll prove to be a great secondary OS. It's got GParted, for one, and it can (with the Pale Moon browser) actually go online and browse the modern web much better than, say, RetroZilla on the Win 98.

As for the time it took to set up, it took me about 1 hour to install the OS itself and roughly another 20 minutes for the basic desktop profile to download and install at first launch; haven't timed it afterwards but it takes somewhere in the region of 2 to 3 minutes to start up. And yeah, it happily installed alongside Win 98, which it also autodetected and added to the boot menu, which is nice.

amigopi wrote on 2023-06-12, 21:23:

So, yeah, Q4OS Trinity running from an SSD on a P3-733 with 512 megs of RAM and 3.5 gigs of swap: it's somewhat usable, but it ain't pleasurable. Everything I tried seems to work, but nothing is snappy, not the way Windows 98 is; instead it's kind of like using an Atari ST with just one floppy drive.

Then again, I'm sure it'll prove to be a great secondary OS. It's got GParted, for one, and it can (with the Pale Moon browser) actually go online and browse the modern web much better than, say, RetroZilla on the Win 98.

As for the time it took to set up, it took me about 1 hour to install the OS itself and roughly another 20 minutes for the basic desktop profile to download and install at first launch; haven't timed it afterwards but it takes somewhere in the region of 2 to 3 minutes to start up. And yeah, it happily installed alongside Win 98, which it also autodetected and added to the boot menu, which is nice.

Part of the blame here can be attributed to Q4OS being based off Debian, and Debian being Debian. I wonder how PCLinuxOS would run which is a still-maintained fork of Mandrake. I guarantee you most of the slowdowns there are attributed to things like GTK 3, GVFS and other junk that modern applications make you use.

Don't know if this fits into the thread, because the OS is the opposite of retro 😁

I actually installed Arch Linux on my Pentium 4 Prescott build, with 1GB of DDR2 RAM and a GeForce 7800GT 256MB.

I used the LXDE Desktop Environment, as it was presented as lightweight, for older computers.

It surprisingly runs great, considering the hardware 🙂

Here the best lightweight browser I found

Watching football game highlights (YouTube webapp is too heavy for this machine 😁)

Don't have the screenshot, but it also runs Telegram Desktop pretty good.

Demetrio wrote on 2023-06-18, 13:05:

Don't know if this fits into the thread, because the OS is the opposite of retro 😁

I actually installed Arch Linux on my Pentium 4 Prescott build, with 1GB of DDR2 RAM and a GeForce 7800GT 256MB.

Let's say it fits!
What version of Arch are you using?

lolo799 wrote on 2023-06-20, 08:59:

Demetrio wrote on 2023-06-18, 13:05:

Don't know if this fits into the thread, because the OS is the opposite of retro 😁

I actually installed Arch Linux on my Pentium 4 Prescott build, with 1GB of DDR2 RAM and a GeForce 7800GT 256MB.

Let's say it fits!
What version of Arch are you using?

Arch is a rolling-release distro, so it doesn't have a version.

Whenever I upgrade with

1pacman -Syu

I always get the latest packages / linux kernel 🙂

Now I have the 6.x kernel.

Demetrio wrote on 2023-06-18, 13:05:

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Don't know if this fits into the thread, because the OS is the opposite of retro 😁

I actually installed Arch Linux on my Pentium 4 Prescott build, with 1GB of DDR2 RAM and a GeForce 7800GT 256MB.

I used the LXDE Desktop Environment, as it was presented as lightweight, for older computers.

It surprisingly runs great, considering the hardware 🙂

Many people would think a P4 is very retro. I think it's barely retro, but it actually is considering it's 20+ years old.

I recommend you to install an additional ram module of the same size.
Most motherboards from that era can run in dual channel, which improves system speed a little (10-15%)
By the way, what's your motherboard? Is it S478 or S775?

Arch is OK, but it has systemd which adds bloat.
I'd try Artix if you like Arch (no systemd, properly more retro and streamlined).

Demetrio wrote on 2023-06-18, 13:05:

Watching football game highlights (YouTube webapp is too heavy for this machine 😁)
Don't have the screenshot, but it also runs Telegram Desktop pretty good.

Are you using mpv to watch calcio?
Probably a newer video card with H264 support and the proper drivers would be a game changer. The cheap G210 is up to the task!

tauro wrote on 2023-07-02, 01:04:

I recommend you to install an additional ram module of the same size.
Most motherboards from that era can run in dual channel, which improves system speed a little (10-15%)

Yeah, I actually have two 512MB sticks in dual channel. My target period was 2005 so I don't think I'll upgrade 😅

tauro wrote on 2023-07-02, 01:04:

By the way, what's your motherboard? Is it S478 or S775?

ASUS P5LD2 SE, so S775.

tauro wrote on 2023-07-02, 01:04:

Arch is OK, but it has systemd which adds bloat.
I'd try Artix if you like Arch (no systemd, properly more retro and streamlined).

You're right. In the end, I didn't put too much thinking on performance: I was just curious if the P4 could run a RR distro, with the latest kernel / packages.

tauro wrote on 2023-07-02, 01:04:

Are you using mpv to watch calcio?
Probably a newer video card with H264 support and the proper drivers would be a game changer. The cheap G210 is up to the task!

I stream the video data with yt-dlp and send it as input to mplayer.

I believe the CPU is the bottleneck for the YouTube webapp: maybe it's because a lot of modern web pages are bloated with heavy assets and JavaScript (considering frameworks too) so it just can't keep up.

In fact Telegram is lighter and runs pretty well, while Discord, which has a lot more animations for example, runs like crap 😁

Nice motherboard!
I'd add at least 1 GB more, but if you can, go for 4 GB.
You could even run a Core 2 Duo in case you want to go fast and furious.
I have played h264 at 360p (-f 18 using yt-dlp) on a Pentium III and it works fine so you probably could play 480p with a Pentium 4.

My S775 Win98/Linux dual boot PC has Antix 19.3 installed and it works smooth as butter with 2GB RAM.

Maybe I should update it to Antix 22 though. Another project.. 😎

ioncannon wrote on 2023-01-24, 15:44:

Anyone remember a homebrew OS in the 2000s called StormOS? All trace of it is gone but was a cool project someone had.

I've heard about it, you can find it on archiveos.org. From what I know, it was originally based on Nexenta Core Platform 2.0 and basically combined Debian with Solaris.

Here is OpenStep 4.2 running on a PIII 1.4ghz

This is using a Aha-2940UW scsi card
(pro tip don't use partition sizes over 4gb & I havent had good luck using drives over 40gb)

Installation media here https://fsck.technology/software/NeXT/OpenSte … OpenStep%204.2/

Partial Hardware compatibility list http://www.rhapsodyos.org/hardware/os-ns_guid … s_guides_1.html

I never used OpenStep but Windowmaker (an Openstep clone) was my preferred WM on Redhat 5-6 1998-2000.. Lovely UI.

I remember re-compiling the kernel for my gateway laptop back in Llate 2000. This was rehat 7. Gotta compile those modules for funky laptop hardware..